Catholic universities required to provide birth control? (merged)

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BTW, I don't know if anybody has posted a link, but apparently it seems Obama has reached an acceptable compromise on this question:

Obama announced that the rule would be tweaked so that in cases where non-profit religious organizations have objections, insurance companies would be required to reach out to employees and offer the coverage directly. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops called it "a first step in the right direction."
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Obama tweaks birth control rule
 
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It appears that Obama is trying to reach a compromise with this. He wants to leave it to the insurance provider’s discretion to offer birth control to people that work for organizations that don’t want their plans to carry coverage.

It would appear that his bluff was called. He didn't think the church would pitch this big of a fit, and he knows that the Catholic vote is a swing vote.
I still don't see the bishops being entirely happy with this.
 
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I dont see how it's caving. The law was written based on existing law in a majority of the states and specifically left open for tweaking, all before this became a hot button issue. The whole "war on religion" thing is total nonsense
 
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AHIP has already weighed in. They aren't too happy about the Feds just deciding that health insurers just have to give this out of their own pockets. No consultation with insurers. I'm not sure about the authority to do this.
 
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milohimself said:
I dont see how it's caving. The law was written based on existing law in a majority of the states and specifically left open for tweaking, all before this became a hot button issue. The whole "war on religion" thing is total nonsense
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I don't know all the details but at a minimum there is a distinction between state's restrictions and rules on commerce and those of the Fed. The "religious freedom" issue is squarely a Federal issue.

Would also like to see the language of these state rules to see how different they are - presumably Catholic schools in these states were not being required to provide this coverage. How were they exempted?
 
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I'm on my phone at the moment, but it's my understanding that this is an issue pertaining to the bill of rights, and that neither states nor the federal government are allowed to breach that. Is this correct or are states allowed to ignore the bill of rights? I'm genuinely not sure because of this whole situation.

I think I posted a link somewhere in here that lists which states have which laws, but there are already some states which have similar or even stricter laws. It includes specific bills, and as I mentioned, georgia, for example, has no religious exemptions at all if I read the bill correctly.
 
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So Obama mandates that we have to have health care, then mandates what they provide, only after the uproar of trying to say he has the power to make these organizations provide it?

And anyone opposing this is overreacting? Wow. That's what is nonsense. Where does he get this power?
 
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milohimself said:
I'm on my phone at the moment, but it's my understanding that this is an issue pertaining to the bill of rights, and that neither states nor the federal government are allowed to breach that. Is this correct or are states allowed to ignore the bill of rights? I'm genuinely not sure because of this whole situation.

I think I posted a link somewhere in here that lists which states have which laws, but there are already some states which have similar or even stricter laws. It includes specific bills, and as I mentioned, georgia, for example, has no religious exemptions at all if I read the bill correctly.
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Bamawriter posted this

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Actually, the Church had avoided complying with the various state laws by offering their plans under a federal exemption. I assume they still disagree with the state laws, but felt it was easier/cheaper to structure their plans under the federal exemption rather than suing 28 different states. Now they have no choice but to start fighting because they won't have the exemption anymore.
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I don't know the details but it would seem that they were getting around the state laws somehow but ACA took away that loophole.

I saw earlier where you suggest it was a non-issue before but now is because of Republicans. Many of the objecting Catholic organizations are full of Ds. The real issue appears to be they had an out before but ACA took it away.
 
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volsforever27 said:
So Obama mandates that we have to have health care, then mandates what they provide, only after the uproar of trying to say he has the power to make these organizations provide it?

And anyone opposing this is overreacting? Wow. That's what is nonsense. Where does he get this power?
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No, if it's a constitutional violation, some of us are just wondering where the outrage has been for the last decade plus, or even where it was during the two years since it was passed
 
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You can buy a damn rubber at speedway for fiddy cents. If you can't afford a rain coat for the captain...you really shouldn't be driving the tuna boat.
 
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volinbham said:
Bamawriter posted this



I don't know the details but it would seem that they were getting around the state laws somehow but ACA took away that loophole.

I saw earlier where you suggest it was a non-issue before but now is because of Republicans. Many of the objecting Catholic organizations are full of Ds. The real issue appears to be they had an out before but ACA took it away.
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That was not the impression I got from the nyt article I posted, and the one instance I know of where they did take a state to the scotus (and lost)
 
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milohimself said:
That was not the impression I got from the nyt article I posted, and the one instance I know of where they did take a state to the scotus (and lost)
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Hard to imagine organizations that didn't object to this before would suddenly just because Obama advocated it - particularly when so many in their group voted for him.

I will need to investigate further.
 
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volinbham said:
Hard to imagine organizations that didn't object to this before would suddenly just because Obama advocated it - particularly when so many in their group voted for him.

I will need to investigate further.
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Forgetting what states mandated what for a moment, this piece of legislation has been in existence for almost two years now. I think it's legitimate to ask why it's only now becoming an issue.
 
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milohimself said:
Forgetting what states mandated what for a moment, this piece of legislation has been in existence for almost two years now. I think it's legitimate to ask why it's only now becoming an issue.
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It is being codified bit by bit and IIRC, Sebelius just recently made this part a public issue.

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It was just on Jan. 20 that the Obama administration announced that religious-affiliated employers — outside of churches and houses of worships — had to cover birth control free of charge as preventative care for women.

Read more: Obama to announce revamping of birth control policy - Fall River, MA - The Herald News
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The link I posted a few days ago here, dated august 1 of last year specifically mentioned the exemption in effect now. At the very least, this issue could have been brought up six months ago.
 
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milohimself said:
The link I posted a few days ago here, dated august 1 of last year specifically mentioned the exemption in effect now. At the very least, this issue could have been brought up six months ago.
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This is what happens when you rush to sign a bill like this. It isn't the first or the last Obamacare issue that will be debated.

One could argue that the dems were trying to energize their base.
 
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Lexvol said:
This is what happens when you rush to sign a bill like this. It isn't the first or the last Obamacare issue that will be debated.

One could argue that the dems were trying to energize their base.
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Probably, but there is also robust scientific evidence supporting the mandate and the endorsement of health care research groups.

And youre correct, challenges to portions of the aca are likely to continue for years, if not decades.
 
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milohimself said:
Probably, but there is also robust scientific evidence supporting the mandate and the endorsement of health care research groups.

And youre correct, challenges to portions of the aca are likely to continue for years, if not decades.
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Can't you get free birth control at nearly any health department right now? I don't know the answer...just asking.
 
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