CBJ's Offense

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I realize CBJ's prefers to run the no huddle, "spread" offense. Over the past few decades, Tennessee has been a "pro style" offense. Will CBJ be looking only at dual threat QB's in the future? How does a RB the size of Hurd play into a "spread" offense versus an All Purpose Back (APB) in a spread offense. What brings me to these questions is that I read USC is NOT interested in Kevin Sumlin because of his offense philosophy and the use of "dual threat" QB versus USC's historical "pro style" QB's. Any help will be appreciated.
 
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He recruited Cornwell pretty heavily and he is just a more mobile pro-style. I also think having a back like Hurd and then a back like Paulk is the perfect set-up in this offense. A committee with those 2 types of backs is just scary.
 
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I've also wondered how Hurd will be used. He's more of a north to south runner and our offense typically runs outside.
 
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I think an accurate QB is more important than a mobile QB - you obviously would prefer both but a QB that isnt accurate is really problematic for this offense

you will hear CBJ talk about drops being like turnovers all the time so an inaccurate passer can really be problematic with his offense as he doesnt do a ton down the field that could make up for those drops/inaccurate throws on the short stuff
 
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jkleno said:
I realize CBJ's prefers to run the no huddle, "spread" offense. Over the past few decades, Tennessee has been a "pro style" offense. Will CBJ be looking only at dual threat QB's in the future? How does a RB the size of Hurd play into a "spread" offense versus an All Purpose Back (APB) in a spread offense. What brings me to these questions is that I read USC is NOT interested in Kevin Sumlin because of his offense philosophy and the use of "dual threat" QB versus USC's historical "pro style" QB's. Any help will be appreciated.
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Well to be honest...a program's offense (historically) really shouldn't be the ultimate deciding factor unless for some reason the AD is married to a certain offensive philosophy. The truth is...when there's a head coaching hire that coach will bring in his own coaches and philosophy. Now obviously a program may be better suited for certain offenses based on prior recruiting efforts, but that doesn't mean a new system couldn't work. There are certainly ADs that may not want to go through a "transitional" period which might lend to hiring a coach that likes to run the same offensive system as the previous coach....so I guess ultimately it depends on the situation.
 
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jkleno said:
I realize CBJ's prefers to run the no huddle, "spread" offense. Over the past few decades, Tennessee has been a "pro style" offense. Will CBJ be looking only at dual threat QB's in the future? How does a RB the size of Hurd play into a "spread" offense versus an All Purpose Back (APB) in a spread offense. What brings me to these questions is that I read USC is NOT interested in Kevin Sumlin because of his offense philosophy and the use of "dual threat" QB versus USC's historical "pro style" QB's. Any help will be appreciated.
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CBJ wants a QB who is extremely accurate in the pocket, but also has the ability to gain 7-10 yards if he has too. CBJ and Mike B's offensive philosophy is to have a power/mobil QB who throws accurately to great route runners at WR/TE to go along with a power RB. The system they are implementing here is based purely on the ability for the QB to make the throws and the TEs/WRs to run great routes. It's not a very complicated system, but we look terrible running it right now due to the inexperience/talent at QB/WR/TE. The more talent and experience we gain at WR/TE/RB/QB the more our offense will grow/look a lot better and more efficient.
 
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Volador said:
Let's just hope the kid bulks up and stays healthy
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Seriously?...have you seen current photos? Any thicker and he WON'T be a RB..sounds like an end around to make him a TE or LB Edit...my point on this is he's set at running back...no need for further bulking up
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I think Hurd's speed may be more important than his size in deciding where and how he plays. There are a lot of people his size, but not many of them can run with him.
 
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jkleno said:
I realize CBJ's prefers to run the no huddle, "spread" offense. Over the past few decades, Tennessee has been a "pro style" offense. Will CBJ be looking only at dual threat QB's in the future? How does a RB the size of Hurd play into a "spread" offense versus an All Purpose Back (APB) in a spread offense. What brings me to these questions is that I read USC is NOT interested in Kevin Sumlin because of his offense philosophy and the use of "dual threat" QB versus USC's historical "pro style" QB's. Any help will be appreciated.
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Chaney did not run a traditional pro style offense the past 3 years.

I guarantee you if CBJ can sign a top ranked pro style QB he will. In fact he did, Dobbs is a pro style QB who happens to be mobile.

CBJ has always said he does not run a finesse offense, that he likes a power running game so Hurd should fit just fine.
 
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jkleno said:
I realize CBJ's prefers to run the no huddle, "spread" offense. Over the past few decades, Tennessee has been a "pro style" offense. Will CBJ be looking only at dual threat QB's in the future? How does a RB the size of Hurd play into a "spread" offense versus an All Purpose Back (APB) in a spread offense. What brings me to these questions is that I read USC is NOT interested in Kevin Sumlin because of his offense philosophy and the use of "dual threat" QB versus USC's historical "pro style" QB's. Any help will be appreciated.
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Get it right man....its the "POWER SPREAD" and were running the ball as good as ever with average RB's. The sky is the limit.
 
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1truevol said:
Well to be honest...a program's offense (historically) really shouldn't be the ultimate deciding factor unless for some reason the AD is married to a certain offensive philosophy. The truth is...when there's a head coaching hire that coach will bring in his own coaches and philosophy. Now obviously a program may be better suited for certain offenses based on prior recruiting efforts, but that doesn't mean a new system couldn't work. There are certainly ADs that may not want to go through a "transitional" period which might lend to hiring a coach that likes to run the same offensive system as the previous coach....so I guess ultimately it depends on the situation.
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Well, in USC's case, California high school football typically produces good pro-style QBs. I mean, they can definitely reach out of state though, and they did have the #1 dual-threat qb out of high school last year, but not typically. But you're right, it really has had a lot more to do with Pete Carroll and Lane Kiffin's style, than anything.
One thing I've noticed, if you look at major transition hurdles, it has more to do with the offensive line players than anything else. I believe this was a major issue with Auburn last year when they tried to switch from the Malzahn offense, and the same issue Florida has had with the linemen from Meyer. Lineman in a Pro vs a Spread are a huge difference and, I believe, is why switching from a pro-style offense to a Spread is easier than vice-versa, because the Spread typically has more athletic linemen, where a pro has big, space-eating pass blockers. When you try to throw a pro-qb in behind a line built for a mobile QB to help with the pass-rush, he's going to be laying out a lot. I may be wrong, but it just seems this way to me.
 
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jkleno said:
I realize CBJ's prefers to run the no huddle, "spread" offense. Over the past few decades, Tennessee has been a "pro style" offense. Will CBJ be looking only at dual threat QB's in the future? How does a RB the size of Hurd play into a "spread" offense versus an All Purpose Back (APB) in a spread offense. What brings me to these questions is that I read USC is NOT interested in Kevin Sumlin because of his offense philosophy and the use of "dual threat" QB versus USC's historical "pro style" QB's. Any help will be appreciated.
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Think Patriots or Petrinos Razorbacks. Its supposed to look like that. Steven Ridley, Knile Davis, Benjarvus Green Ellis.....all big backs and it works in that style offense. Our offense runs inside zone more than anything, but rajion tends to bounce it outside instead of hitting the hole.
 
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SIAP but I don't mind the spread offense, but I feel the difference in our running game compared to most is that our backs have 0 forward momentum when they receive the handoff. We are either going east west or have to slow down momentum before getting the ball. Yes I understand we are switching directions a lot on the traps and counters, but our powers and off tackles aren't explosive from the get go.

Thoughts?
 
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A lot of zone teams prefer a bigger back. He has to be able to run through an arm tackle as he makes that cut.

Our scheme is fine for our players, and can fit any type of player.
 
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KingtUT said:
Get it right man....its the "POWER SPREAD" and were running the ball as good as ever with average RB's. The sky is the limit.
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From ESPN interview 2/24/2010:
How much difference is there between your offensive philosophy and Kelly's? You both run a high-tempo spread.

BJ: I think with any offensive system there's little nuances, philosophically speaking. But there are a lot of similarities in terms of being a no-huddle, being a spread. It's a lot of the same schemes, just the terminology is different. There will be some subtle changes here and there. I think that's only natural with each coaching staff. And you rely on the different backgrounds of the coaches you have on staff. So there will be some differences, but also lot of similarities as well.
I was going by what the coach said. I did not realize the word "power" was so important.
 
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Vol865 said:
Think Patriots or Petrinos Razorbacks. Its supposed to look like that. Steven Ridley, Knile Davis, Benjarvus Green Ellis.....all big backs and it works in that style offense. Our offense runs inside zone more than anything, but rajion tends to bounce it outside instead of hitting the hole.
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Thanks.
 
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KingtUT said:
Get it right man....its the "POWER SPREAD" and were running the ball as good as ever with average RB's. The sky is the limit.
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CBJ called it a "pro style spread". I've never seen him proclaim to be a "power spread team".

We rarely ever run power. Auburn runs power a lot. We run zone a lot.
 
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Vol865 said:
Think Patriots or Petrinos Razorbacks. Its supposed to look like that. Steven Ridley, Knile Davis, Benjarvus Green Ellis.....all big backs and it works in that style offense. Our offense runs inside zone more than anything, but rajion tends to bounce it outside instead of hitting the hole.
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From the games I've recorded, it looks like we run a lot more stretch than inside zone. He just reads the de and turns back inside most of the time (which is to be expected).
 
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