Cecil The Lion

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landscapingvol said:
A "beloved" animal? It scares me to think than an actual adult male cried or was brought real sadness over the death of a lion that he never met or actually cared for prior to the news of its killing. Do you cry over every animal that is hunted and killed? Does it make a difference if it is hunted legally or illegally? Is the outcome not the same? Does it make it more profound if you give a wild animal a name arbitrarily and then pretend it has human qualities?
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I agree with your questions and post... I blame Disney movies (Bambi, lady and the Tramp, etc) for humanizing wild animals and pets.

Some of the reactions these folks on TV and social media have to this incident concern me. Threaten, ***** and cry over a wild animal. Making a big scene… while ignoring news stories and driving past local people in need. The “Look at me, I Care” bunch are part of the problem, but not the solution to the real issues impacting our society. They are griping about the song selection the band on the Titanic is playing.. all the time ignoring the fact the ship is sinking.
 
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I feel like a lot americans think of all animals like pets.

Drive through cades cove and you'll see idiots who think a mama bear and her cubs are so cute and cuddly they can get within a few feet for a cool selfie.

Likely the same people who if you ask where their food comes from wouldn't know beyond the grocery store.
 
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golfballs said:
I feel like a lot americans think of all animals like pets.

Drive through cades cove and you'll see idiots who think a mama bear and her cubs are so cute and cuddly they can get within a few feet for a cool selfie.

Likely the same people who if you ask where their food comes from wouldn't know beyond the grocery store.
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This is a really, really bad idea :)
 
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I'm an animal lover and I think the reason so many people are upset over this is how he (and his guides) went about doing it. They lured the lion from the wildlife park by strapping a dead animal to the side of a truck to get it on this man's property. Plus the fact this lion was kind of a local legend really made this a hot topic. Also the Dr had been charged before with poaching an animal, add all of this up and with social media the way it is..it becomes a huge topic.

What happens in a lot of cities with the amount of people getting killed is terrible but it happens so often that people become numb to it.

Poaching happens everywhere, just google about poaching in the Smoky Mountains or Yellowstone etc.

Yellowstone Bison Killed, Reward Offered After 3 Animals Shot Dead Inside National Park

or if you want to hit close to home...
Suspect Apprehended in Smokies Elk Poaching - Great Smoky Mountains National Park (U.S. National Park Service)

And you have idiots like this..
Singer Troy Gentry (of Montgomery Gentry) in hot water over death of tamed black bear - Monsters and Critics
 
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MphsBlues said:
This is a really, really bad idea :)
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These are the same people that when NPS is forced to remove that bear to protect them from it, they have a conniption fit. They to get the rangers fired and sued and crap like that. because it was a "sweet , loveable , domestic bear that wouldn't hurt anyone."
 
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Sin City Vol said:
I'm an animal lover and I think the reason so many people are upset over this is how he (and his guides) went about doing it. They lured the lion from the wildlife park by strapping a dead animal to the side of a truck to get it on this man's property. Plus the fact this lion was kind of a local legend really made this a hot topic. Also the Dr had been charged before with poaching an animal, add all of this up and with social media the way it is..it becomes a huge topic.

What happens in a lot of cities with the amount of people getting killed is terrible but it happens so often that people become numb to it.

Poaching happens everywhere, just google about poaching in the Smoky Mountains or Yellowstone etc.

Yellowstone Bison Killed, Reward Offered After 3 Animals Shot Dead Inside National Park

or if you want to hit close to home...
Suspect Apprehended in Smokies Elk Poaching - Great Smoky Mountains National Park (U.S. National Park Service)

And you have idiots like this..
Singer Troy Gentry (of Montgomery Gentry) in hot water over death of tamed black bear - Monsters and Critics
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Poaching is absolutely a big deal and is exponentially a greater threat to wildlife than legal hunting. (much more so with rhino and elephant than lion) Here's the thing...assume for the moment that, for whatever reason, Cecil really did wander completely off his protected area and was taken by a 100% legit hunter. Are you going to tell me that if the story broke about this "iconic" lion being killed by a hunter we wouldn't be seeing some (and by "some" I mean a lot) of the same wailing and gnashing of teeth we are now? Certainly a lot of the fence sitters (even among hunters) don't much care for the shadier side about how this particular incident went down but there was LOTS of moral outrage available no matter how cleanly the hunt was run.

Mufasa and Aslan are anthropomorphized fictional characters. Cecil was a real lion and is now damn near as anthropomorphized as those two in the minds of some people. I'm not even all that down with "trophy" hunting but this Cecil thing is getting pretty irrational.
 
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I agree with you 100% majority of the blow up of this issues is social media and the fact news can travel around the world in less than a second. I think it's terrible thing and I feel the people involved should be punished. I understand hunting but I don't understand paying $55k to put a lions head on your wall or even more paying over $300k to kill an endangered species like the Black Rhino. Hunting used to be a form of survival, animals were killed so people could eat now they're killed to control over population and to decorate a trophy room or office.

There are many more pressing issues the world should be concerned about but that's another topic all together.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
I agree with you 100% majority of the blow up of this issues is social media and the fact news can travel around the world in less than a second. I think it's terrible thing and I feel the people involved should be punished. I understand hunting but I don't understand paying $55k to put a lions head on your wall or even more paying over $300k to kill an endangered species like the Black Rhino. Hunting used to be a form of survival, animals were killed so people could eat now they're killed to control over population and to decorate a trophy room or office.

There are many more pressing issues the world should be concerned about but that's another topic all together.
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You don't understand it and that's fine. I don't understand paying huge fees to hunt a lion either just because I'll never have that chance (unless I lick into some money). But the money is needed for conservation just like hunting fees and tag fees are here in Tennessee. It really is that simple.... Just a different animal.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
I'm an animal lover and I think the reason so many people are upset over this is how he (and his guides) went about doing it. They lured the lion from the wildlife park by strapping a dead animal to the side of a truck to get it on this man's property. Plus the fact this lion was kind of a local legend really made this a hot topic. Also the Dr had been charged before with poaching an animal, add all of this up and with social media the way it is..it becomes a huge topic.

What happens in a lot of cities with the amount of people getting killed is terrible but it happens so often that people become numb to it.

Poaching happens everywhere, just google about poaching in the Smoky Mountains or Yellowstone etc.

Yellowstone Bison Killed, Reward Offered After 3 Animals Shot Dead Inside National Park

or if you want to hit close to home...
Suspect Apprehended in Smokies Elk Poaching - Great Smoky Mountains National Park (U.S. National Park Service)

And you have idiots like this..
Singer Troy Gentry (of Montgomery Gentry) in hot water over death of tamed black bear - Monsters and Critics
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Just to clarify..... Mr. Palmer was cited for lying to an officer ( Palmer was charged with knowingly making false statement to an agent of the Department of the Interior, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, having "falsely stated that he thought the bear had been killed legally" during interviews with officials the next month.) in where his bear kill was taken at. Not poaching. Big difference......
 
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barknoxbrawler said:
Just to clarify..... Mr. Palmer was cited for lying to officer in where his bear kill was taken at. Not poaching. Big difference......
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He basically took a tame animal put it in an enclosed location so he could kill it. That's not hunting, it's no different than taking an animal from the zoo putting it in your backyard and shooting it.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
He basically took a tame animal put it in an enclosed location so he could kill it. That's not hunting, it's no different than taking an animal from the zoo putting it in your backyard and shooting it.
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No. He took a bear in an illegal zone. Transported the kill to a legal zone and checked it in. He in no way took a caged animal and let it go to shoot it.
 
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barknoxbrawler said:
No. He took a bear in an illegal zone. Transported the kill to a legal zone and checked it in. He in no way took a caged animal and let it go to shoot it.
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"Federal authorities claim the killing took place on Greenly’s property in October 2004 while the animal was in an enclosed pen."

He bought the bear, put it in an enclosed location and killed it. Is that called hunting?
 
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Sin City Vol said:
"Federal authorities claim the killing took place on Greenly’s property in October 2004 while the animal was in an enclosed pen."

He bought the bear, put it in an enclosed location and killed it. Is that called hunting?
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The bear in question was taken in 2006 and charges were brought in 2008 in regards to Palmer. You are talking about Troy Gentry taking the bear in a pen. Wrong thread..... Different person I think.
 
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barknoxbrawler said:
The bear in question was taken in 2006 and charges were brought in 2008 in regards to Palmer. You are talking about Troy Gentry taking the bear in a pen. Wrong thread..... Different person I think.
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I think the Greenly guy owned the property where he killed the bear. I just always thought it was a pretty chicken **** move for the Montgomery Gentry guy. If you're going to hunt, get in the woods and do it the right way. Don't buy an animal put it in an enclosed location and kill it.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
I think the Greenly guy owned the property where he killed the bear. I just always thought it was a pretty chicken **** move for the Montgomery Gentry guy. If you're going to hunt, get in the woods and do it the right way. Don't buy an animal put it in an enclosed location and kill it.
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That we can agree on. I don't like cage hunting. Even a animals on a 1,000 acre ranch are not wild enough and do not have all the instincts of naturally wild game.
 
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volinbham said:
Rational article from a native of Zimbabwe - naturally, readers tell him he's wrong, dumb, and has all sorts of problems in the comments section.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/opinion/in-zimbabwe-we-dont-cry-for-lions.html?ref=opinion&_r=1
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that is a very good insight to the people that live with the killer animals,they want em dead or gone so they can raise there kids safely,I still think he just got with the wrong guides to hunt a Lion

and PETA is a joke,wasn't there vice president or what ever they called her,she had diabetes I believe and when asked why she was taking insulin shots(which came from animal experimentation) her reply was,it was provided to her so she could protect the other animals,I do believe it was from Penn and Tellers Bull Sh it show ,so PETA is pretty much a joke,other than there members being crazy
 
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