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VolFan4Life87 said:
Yep. Fulmer was very Mack Brownish towards the end. So often it seemed big time recruits would never improve beyond their debut performances. They continued to make critical, fundamental mistakes all the way to their final years. I used to get so damn mad. I know our defense has been atrocious lately, but UT has been one of the poorer tackling teams I've watched for a long time before Derek Dumbass showed up.
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his first 10 years or so, through 2001, and then our talent started to fall off pretty dramatically. We had three excellent qbs in Shuler, Manning and Martin, and then Clausen was good, but after that our QBs became average, the Sanders hire was a disaster (had no idea what he was doing), Fulmer and the rest of his staff seemed to get burned out and stale, victories got fewer, talent plunged...and here were are.

Butch is, to me, a football version of Pearl. He's got energy and charisma and he is passionate about UT football, which is INVALUABLE, and I think recruits sense his passion. This is a pretty stout class. Now the coaches need to build a tough, talented team out of the players, win some games--and go on to greatness.
 
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The other thing that held Fulmer back was that he was too conservative--our offense was very vanilla and predictable. We got away with it and even excelled because we had a ton of talent in the 90s, but even so spurrier (more creative) kicked our butts most years. I'll never forget the 1999 florida game--two national title contenders, we had a massive amount of talent, but fell behind in the second half. We had a chance on our final drive to tie or win the game--and facing a 3rd and 3 from around midfield or so, we opted to run a pitch with J. Lewis. He got stuffed because florida figured we'd be running Lewis. Fourth and 3: we ran the same play. Lewis got stuffed again, game over. And this when we had the mobile T. Martin at QB. Very predictable play calling--a problem with Fulmer & Co.
 
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I'll never forget the 1999 florida game--two national title contenders, we had a massive amount of talent, but fell behind in the second half. We had a chance on our final drive to tie or win the game--and facing a 3rd and 3 from around midfield or so, we opted to run a pitch with J. Lewis. He got stuffed because florida figured we'd be running Lewis. Fourth and 3: we ran the same play. Lewis got stuffed again, game over. And this when we had the mobile T. Martin at QB. Very predictable play calling--a problem with Fulmer & Co.
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The Sunday before that game the Orlando Sentinel did an article about Tennessee and the 28 trap, how it was a staple of Fulmers offense and everyone knows Vols will run it, but you may not be able to stop it. I am at the game when the 4th down at midfield happened, I turned to my buddy and said if he runs that damn 28 trap we are dead. WHEN TENNESSEE LINED UP THE FLA. PLAYERS WERE P O I N T I N G TO THE HOLE !!! WE RAN THAT DAMN 28 TRAP AND GOT STUFFED BECAUSE EVERYONE IN THE STADIUM KNEW WHAT WAS COMING. Had T Martin bootlegged and faked the 28 trap, hells bells he WOULD STILL BE RUNNING TODAY!!!!!!!. All we needed was a field goal. Fulmer was WAY too conservative and predictable........
 
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Riley is going to shock the conference and all these new freshman are going to ball out. Vols win the EAST in 2014!








It's possible!
 
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armchair said:
his first 10 years or so, through 2001, and then our talent started to fall off pretty dramatically. We had three excellent qbs in Shuler, Manning and Martin, and then Clausen was good, but after that our QBs became average, the Sanders hire was a disaster (had no idea what he was doing), Fulmer and the rest of his staff seemed to get burned out and stale, victories got fewer, talent plunged...and here were are.

Butch is, to me, a football version of Pearl. He's got energy and charisma and he is passionate about UT football, which is INVALUABLE, and I think recruits sense his passion. This is a pretty stout class. Now the coaches need to build a tough, talented team out of the players, win some games--and go on to greatness.
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VolFan4Life87 said:
Yep. Fulmer was very Mack Brownish towards the end. So often it seemed big time recruits would never improve beyond their debut performances. They continued to make critical, fundamental mistakes all the way to their final years. I used to get so damn mad. I know our defense has been atrocious lately, but UT has been one of the poorer tackling teams I've watched for a long time before Derek Dumbass showed up.
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I think the sports highlights play aart in poor tackling these days as well. Kids see players get "Blown Up" "decleated" etc and that's what is shown on SportsCenter. All of a sudden instead of wrapping a player up they're trying to knock them out. Also a lot of kids are so much better than the talent they play against in HS they keep trying to just use strength and athleticism to arm tackle a 240lb tailback and that doesn't work. Kids need to watch videos of guys like Butkus, Jack Lambert, Ray Lewis...those guys were tackling machines
 
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1SmokinVol said:
The Sunday before that game the Orlando Sentinel did an article about Tennessee and the 28 trap, how it was a staple of Fulmers offense and everyone knows Vols will run it, but you may not be able to stop it. I am at the game when the 4th down at midfield happened, I turned to my buddy and said if he runs that damn 28 trap we are dead. WHEN TENNESSEE LINED UP THE FLA. PLAYERS WERE P O I N T I N G TO THE HOLE !!! WE RAN THAT DAMN 28 TRAP AND GOT STUFFED BECAUSE EVERYONE IN THE STADIUM KNEW WHAT WAS COMING. Had T Martin bootlegged and faked the 28 trap, hells bells he WOULD STILL BE RUNNING TODAY!!!!!!!. All we needed was a field goal. Fulmer was WAY too conservative and predictable........
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Haha that's funny. Before I moved away from Tennessee I had season tickets. My buddy and I could almost call Fulmers plays and we would cuss and raise hell about him not being creative. The people sitting in front of us would get pissed and yell at us for being disrespectful...this was pre National Championship.
 
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Doyle Hargraves said:
This is the only thing that concerns me. If, god forbid, we suffer another 5-7 year this season, will Butch be able to sell the future to another class? One that is not heavy on the legacy aspect as well?
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Not worried got faith in Butch, his energy and determination is really what gives me the greatest hope that we will get back to what Tennessee football on a National champ level..
 
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if we can scrap our way to an eight win season i feel were a lock for another top 5 class. another losing season though and i say were outside the top ten. we have to show improvement this year whether thats fair or not given the situation butch was left with.
 
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fade route said:
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Somebody got a new avy

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DC Vol said:
I don't think a Top 5 class is a requirement every year but lets look at Florida State (using rivals):

2010: #10 (2 5*, 8 4*)

2011: #2 (similar to UT's 2014... 2 5* but only 13 4* where UT had 16)

2012: #6 (3 5*, 10 4*)

2013: #10 (2 5*, 9 4*)

What Florida State did is build depth in 2011 and then add select highly talented players to subsequent classes.

I would say Jones needs to have a Top 10 class every year but composition is important. And, given our scholly levels this year and out due to our large class we're likely to be building up talent at key positions.

I will say this:

We need a high-end QB in the 2015 class.
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FSU doesn't play in the SEC. FSU is a damn good team but if they played in the SEC especially the west, it's a good chance they don't even make it to the title game.

You almost have to be in the top five or so to be a contender in the SEC. Of course Missouri was an exception in a down year for the east.
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
Move to bama then jack. bama are losers, been losers, always will be losers. Just because they play 6 games a year and challenged in maybe 4, and have every nut licker with a wad in their pocket willing to splooge on them doesn't make them anything but bama. BUCK FAMA.
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Just when you think a serious conversation by all can be had....in steps the expected doof with his 3rd grade intellectual (or lack thereof) arguments. You hate Bama...so do I; we get that. Keep the discussion about recruit rankings and how that correlates to on the field success. Keep your 'nut-lick, splooge wads' commentsto yourself.
 
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gemlek said:
Just when you think a serious conversation by all can be had....in steps the expected doof with his 3rd grade intellectual (or lack thereof) arguments. You hate Bama...so do I; we get that. Keep the discussion about recruit rankings and how that correlates to on the field success. Keep your 'nut-lick, splooge wads' commentsto yourself.
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IluvdoubleD's said:
Move to bama then jack. bama are losers, been losers, always will be losers. Just because they play 6 games a year and challenged in maybe 4, and have every nut licker with a wad in their pocket willing to splooge on them doesn't make them anything but bama. BUCK FAMA.
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I hate Bama, but there is a dump truck load of dumbass in this post.
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
Yep. Fulmer was very Mack Brownish towards the end. So often it seemed big time recruits would never improve beyond their debut performances. They continued to make critical, fundamental mistakes all the way to their final years. I used to get so damn mad. I know our defense has been atrocious lately, but UT has been one of the poorer tackling teams I've watched for a long time before Derek Dumbass showed up.
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I agree with your post 100%. I liked Fulmer early on but man did he leave a lot of wasted talent on the field. And the perplexing issue for me was did he not know he HAD the talent or forget how to USE it?
 
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DaddyChad said:
FSU doesn't play in the SEC. FSU is a damn good team but if they played in the SEC especially the west, it's a good chance they don't even make it to the title game.

You almost have to be in the top five or so to be a contender in the SEC. Of course Missouri was an exception in a down year for the east.
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As I've posted on here before, if FSU was in the SEC they would be in the east. They would have swept the division easily, and depending on who they drew from the west, would have been a 1 loss team at worst. Still good enough to make it to the BCS title game.
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fade route said:
Lately I've been more inclined to look at a recruit's offer list to determine their value a little more than the star ranking..................until I read this stat:

Since Rivals started ranking classes in 2002, 12 years ago, the #1 ranked class according Rival's own ranking system has played for the national championship within 3 years of their class ranking 9 times.

You may say, well duh. But it just goes to show how crucial it is to sign highly rated classes. Top 15 classes just won't cut it in the SEC. Butch will need to sign a class like this years every year if we're going to get where we all want to be.
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Thanks Fade.

Can you also share the link? I'd love to quote that stat in future discussions with the "coach 'em up 3 star" bunch.
 
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