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AM64 said:
Japan has been considering a change in their constitution to extend the military to more than simple self defense. To be honest they pretty much have to at this point. A real defense can't be limited to just passively waiting for an enemy to cross a line and then trying to stop further penetration. Even a staunch ally can't put their trust in the US as run by people like biden to protect them.

We currently are playing musical chairs with fighter squadrons based in Japan, F-35s don't have the legs or the reliability/logistics to fill the need, and you shoot down the tanker support and it all goes to crap. The AF variant of the F-35 has a combat range of 670 nautical miles - the Navy version is more limited - the Marine version is a joke - simply doesn't work for the Pacific area of operations. F-22s are very limited, and remaining F-15Cs are almost relics at this point.

The second article is downright scary. That anybody would even consider the "just in time" logistics idiocy for anything beyond basic manufacturing is nuts. It wasn't even near the task when supplies were disrupted a couple of years ago - unavailability of one simple chip shut down industries.

HASC report finds that F-35C lacks the range to strike enemy targets - The Aviation Geek Club

How The F-35’s Lack Of Spare Parts Became As Big A Threat As Enemy Missiles
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Japan needs to stop effin around with their “helicopter carriers” and forward deploy real aircraft carriers loaded down with strike aircraft.
 
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AM64 said:
Japan has been considering a change in their constitution to extend the military to more than simple self defense. To be honest they pretty much have to at this point. A real defense can't be limited to just passively waiting for an enemy to cross a line and then trying to stop further penetration. Even a staunch ally can't put their trust in the US as run by people like biden to protect them.

We currently are playing musical chairs with fighter squadrons based in Japan, F-35s don't have the legs or the reliability/logistics to fill the need, and you shoot down the tanker support and it all goes to crap. The AF variant of the F-35 has a combat range of 670 nautical miles - the Navy version is more limited - the Marine version is a joke - simply doesn't work for the Pacific area of operations. F-22s are very limited, and remaining F-15Cs are almost relics at this point.

The second article is downright scary. That anybody would even consider the "just in time" logistics idiocy for anything beyond basic manufacturing is nuts. It wasn't even near the task when supplies were disrupted a couple of years ago - unavailability of one simple chip shut down industries.

HASC report finds that F-35C lacks the range to strike enemy targets - The Aviation Geek Club

How The F-35’s Lack Of Spare Parts Became As Big A Threat As Enemy Missiles
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We're entirely too reliant on technology.
 
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If ish hits the fan of China can keep Russia out of it I wonder if we could even count on NATO. Is that a strategy they could be working on?
 
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AM64 said:
The second article is downright scary. That anybody would even consider the "just in time" logistics idiocy for anything beyond basic manufacturing is nuts. It wasn't even near the task when supplies were disrupted a couple of years ago - unavailability of one simple chip shut down industries.

How The F-35’s Lack Of Spare Parts Became As Big A Threat As Enemy Missiles
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"Just in time" has been a complete disaster everywhere it was deployed. It is a one-time reduction in inventory and gives a one-time boost to the bottom line, but when the SHTF if you don't have any inventory, guess what, you can't do squat.
They adopted that mickey mouse Toyota approach to manufacturing where I used to work, and the first part they implemented was JIT inventory management. Once they figured out that the first breakdown meant they couldn't ship any product, they decided that we needed to focus on maintenance.
When they decided to focus on maintenance, they figured out they didn't have enough people to do the work needed. It was a never ending cycle of idiots making decisions in conference rooms that were, at the end of the day, still idiots.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Japan needs to stop effin around with their “helicopter carriers” and forward deploy real aircraft carriers loaded down with strike aircraft.
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Maybe, but I'm not convinced about the survivability of carriers. They look like floating targets, and the means to attack them are way beyond what WW2 carriers faced. Defenses are better, too, but it still looks like a very risky proposition.
 
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AM64 said:
Maybe, but I'm not convinced about the survivability of carriers. They look like floating targets, and the means to attack them are way beyond what WW2 carriers faced. Defenses are better, too, but it still looks like a very risky proposition.
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That is true. But they are still better options than trying to operate from stationary bases in the Pacific.

Carriers move 😉
 
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VolStrom said:
"Just in time" has been a complete disaster everywhere it was deployed. It is a one-time reduction in inventory and gives a one-time boost to the bottom line, but when the SHTF if you don't have any inventory, guess what, you can't do squat.
They adopted that mickey mouse Toyota approach to manufacturing where I used to work, and the first part they implemented was JIT inventory management. Once they figured out that the first breakdown meant they couldn't ship any product, they decided that we needed to focus on maintenance.
When they decided to focus on maintenance, they figured out they didn't have enough people to do the work needed. It was a never ending cycle of idiots making decisions in conference rooms that were, at the end of the day, still idiots.
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JIT doesn't work in war time, you can't waste time and resources but you can't shut down and do nothing either. Redundancy is key. KISS is a must, but more difficult when high tech is involved.
 
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hog88 said:
In Europe, yeah I think we could count on NATO to a point. Outside of Europe no, I seriously doubt we could count on them for anything but moral support.
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So In that scenario, if China uses Russia as a factory and keeps them out of direct conflict you don't think NATO stands. I worry about that, we've tied ourselves to the wrong group. We should have been investing in Central and South America IMO.
 
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AM64 said:
Maybe, but I'm not convinced about the survivability of carriers. They look like floating targets, and the means to attack them are way beyond what WW2 carriers faced. Defenses are better, too, but it still looks like a very risky proposition.
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Smaller, faster and more plentiful carriers is the answer.
 
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KB5252 said:
So In that scenario, if China uses Russia as a factory and keeps them out of direct conflict you don't think NATO stands. I worry about that, we've tied ourselves to the wrong group. We should have been investing in Central and South America IMO.
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I don't think NATO jumps into a Pacific War as long as the war in Ukraine is going on. I have doubts about them helping even if there was peace in Europe.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
I did it once without GPS years ago. Problem is, I would have to dust off my old maps from the attic. Too cheap to buy anymore.
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I was doing a lot of traveling before civilian GPS was a thing so I can still get to major cities and most mid size ones now without a GPS or map. I hate listing to Waze or the others until I'm looking for a specific address.
 
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hog88 said:
I don't think NATO jumps into a Pacific War as long as the war in Ukraine is going on. I have doubts about them helping even if there was peace in Europe.
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NATO is just an advanced version of the liberal democratic party. They aren't going to do squat anywhere, including their own continent.
 
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AM64 said:
The more I look, the more I see the same 670 nautical miles for both the F-35A and C variants. I thought I read sometime ago the C was more limited because it was more rugged to handle carrier operations.
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Just looked up the F-14 range, it's double that of the F-35.
 
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