China Thread

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Pacer92 said:
Just like with Russia, this agenda is designed to restrict China militarily and economically..

Keeping the shipping lanes of the South China Sea open (1), while prodding Asian neighbors to undermine regional interest (2) in favor of US hegemonic interest. (3).
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1. how is that a bad thing? In any world? We let everyone use it and China has profited more than anyone else from it.

2. "Prodding Asian neighbors" lol, they are asking us to be there. You know both the Philippines and Vietnam have asked for full time carrier battle-group to take up residence there. we haven't done it. we haven't prodded crap. China is the one expanding, we are maintaining open routes and ensuring China doesn't bully the other nations too much, again breaking their own laws. "undermine regional interest" undermine whose? as I said China has profited from our presence more than anyone over there.

3. We have no hegemony over there. We gave the Philippines back their independence which ruins any argument you might have. Further it has been incredibly peaceful over there until China started expanding. and I like how this hegemony includes a nation we lost a non-war with, Vietnam, that is still communist. and oh yeah a couple very Islamic nations in Borneo and Malaysia that have fired upon our navy before.

If we gave the SCS to China they would shut down shipping, why else are they arming these reefs and shooting at fishing boats in waters even they don't claim?

we haven't expanded, we have been there longer than this version of China has existed, and we have shown way more interest than they ever have in the last millennia. tell me how we are the bad guys? we didn't change our routes when China illegally created islands, they took a very Russian method of moving borders over existing conditions and then calling foul. it is bull crap.
 
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I hope one of you use the "Its the South CHINA Sea" argument again. you guys are just looking for/making up crap to blame the US on.

this is literally why I made this thread. I made this thread before these things became issues with China's involvement. this is where I get to say "I told you so" from this thread. I called China's play from the start, actually I read articles about it and posted them here and added my own thoughts to it. suddenly those articles are true and you are calling foul on the US? its willful ignorance/misinformation on your part. I presented the facts before the items came up so there was no chance of revisionism.
 
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LouderVol said:
Ok, I promised to make a China Thread with all the problems i have with the country right now.

my main one is how they are becoming the main bad guy in the pacific. However i will also touch on the Hong Kong voting issue, Cultural "flooding", forced migrations, environmental issues including, but not limited to, the damming rivers, pollution and strip mining and dirty industry like we haven't seen in 50 years. There is also the drive to remove a lot of their cultural connections to the past and to the land.

China's Maritime Disputes

three problem areas: Paracel Islands fishing and maybe oil. Spratly Islands with fishing and definitely oil and gas. and Senkaku Islands with fishing, oil and gas and shipping lanes.

the are competing with Japan, Vietnam, the Phillipines, Mayalsia and Brunei. in pretty much every circumstance the contested islands are closer to the other country beyond China, and most of China's claims are either really recent (last decade or two) or are from almost 1000 years ago but no continuation.

i am in no way an expert, as i have done little research beyond the stuff i will post here. feel free to add in as you see fit.
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bump. it is literally the first post in this thread from more than a year ago. and the link is older than that, couldn't find an official date, but I remember finding information on this back in college from 2012 at least.
 
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Global banking watchdog warns over Chinese banks - BBC News

for Ras, I couldn't find the US's current ratio but China has hit 30:1 ratio of credit to GDP. following some of the links it leads to a bunch of data i couldn't make heads nor tails of. so i don't know how we stack up or the world does for me to wrap my head around, maybe somebody with a better head for this stuff can figure it out.
 
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LouderVol said:
Global banking watchdog warns over Chinese banks - BBC News

for Ras, I couldn't find the US's current ratio but China has hit 30:1 ratio of credit to GDP. following some of the links it leads to a bunch of data i couldn't make heads nor tails of. so i don't know how we stack up or the world does for me to wrap my head around, maybe somebody with a better head for this stuff can figure it out.
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If that's the same metric as private debt to GDP, we're about 3 times worse off than they are. Ours is over 100:1 lol.
 
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red butler said:
If that's the same metric as private debt to GDP, we're about 3 times worse off than they are. Ours is over 100:1 lol.
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only difference I could tell was this was credit given out by their government, mostly to businesses not individuals. but I could be wrong, like I said those numbers don't mean a lot to me.

going off the above assumption to me it points out how bad their economy is if they are floating their businesses that much. I didn't like the bailouts here of certain industries, they are doing it with their whole economy.
 
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Some have estimated that China is, in reality, somewhere between 20-40 trillion in debt.
 
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Pigeon lofts and tulip fever: What is going on in China’s property markets? - BBC News

more of the central government driving false growth ala the housing bubble here in the US.

So why have China's property prices jumped so much, in such a short space of time - especially since the economy is slowing down?
Part of the answer lies in one tiny word: debt.
Chinese banks have been encouraged to lend more to companies and consumers so as to pump life back into the economy.
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The property developer claimed that the flats were sold out, adding to the hype around them.
However, soon afterwards, reports surfaced saying that, in fact, only 11 units had been sold
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the second quote is basically how I feel about the whole Chinese economy and they have gotten to the point of Baghdad Bob. "Nothing to see here, everything is going great, look, we sold out this brand new building."
 
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LouderVol said:
Pigeon lofts and tulip fever: What is going on in China’s property markets? - BBC News

more of the central government driving false growth ala the housing bubble here in the US.



the second quote is basically how I feel about the whole Chinese economy and they have gotten to the point of Baghdad Bob. "Nothing to see here, everything is going great, look, we sold out this brand new building."
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China property prices are rising because there is money to invest and the general consensus is its the safest investment. They have made several changes to purchasing requirements in a effort to slow down the buying rate. Its all based on speculation but there seems no end to the demand. My apartment has tripled in value since 2009. There was a 20% bubble burst right after I bought it but that was eradicated within 6 months.

Remember 30% down-payment is mandatory to receive a home loan in China but over 25% just make a cash purchase. They give you a loan if you can walk into the bank and hope you don't pay.

The government owns the majority of the banks that do mortgage loans. They also have major interests in concrete companies and material suppliers. They are shareholders in the contracting companies that actually build and sell homes. Its a delicate balance for them because as prices keep going up due to investment they must raise salaries nationwide so that the middle class Chinese can afford to purchase an apartment.
 
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China has flown H-K long-range nuclear bombers over the South China Sea for the first time now, this past week, and has no armed its artificial islands with AA and ABM batteries, also for the first time. To wit, The Global Times, China's chief propaganda news source, is clamoring about how China should preemptively invade Taiwan now.

Well done, Mr. President-elect. And you're not even in office yet.

Going to be an interesting four years, although most likely only one or two tops.
 
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volprof said:
China has flown H-K long-range nuclear bombers over the South China Sea for the first time now, this past week, and has no armed its artificial islands with AA and ABM batteries, also for the first time. To wit, The Global Times, China's chief propaganda news source, is clamoring about how China should preemptively invade Taiwan now.

Well done, Mr. President-elect. And you're not even in office yet.

Going to be an interesting four years, although most likely only one or two tops.
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Better Taiwan than Nevada.
 
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Oh.

US Defense Official: Chinese warship stole US underwater drone - CNNPolitics.com

A US oceanographic vessel Thursday had its underwater drone stolen by a Chinese warship literally right in front of the eyes of the American crew, a US defense official told CNN Friday.

In the latest encounter in international waters in the South China Sea region, the USNS Bowditch was sailing about 100 miles off the port at Subic Bay when the incident occurred, according to the official.
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Obsessed said:
Your obviously not as smart as you think you are...
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Better a war in Taiwan than Nevada? Yes, I get that.

What you don't get is that this is not about that. It's a needless antagonizing and one that will, yes, eventually impact Nevada, if brought to term.

I understand. You're on overdrive mode right now, just like the rest of Trump voters, because it's becoming increasingly clear what an alarming pick this guy is. And he's not even president yet!
 
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