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#81
#81
I have a masterplan for how to weather what some consider the imminent financial collapse the US will face.

It goes like this:

1. Pull the American taxpayer's insurance policy for world trade (aka, the United States Navy). Everyone in the world, including numerous Americans, will be happy.

2. Pretty soon, however, the happy train will wear thin, and the rest of the world will go back to pre-WWII, pre-Bretton Woods days. They'll start whining, hooting, and a-hollering at one another again, just like back in the good ole' days they apparently thought they missed.

3. Once the wars begin again, we sit it out and let them brain one another, instead of bailing them all out with American lives for a third time in roughly a century. We're on our island fortress afterall. Ain't nobody going to be messing with us. Just let them beat the **** out of one another, complain about why we don't do anything, give out war loans instead (etc.), and recuperate from our massive debt.

4. Once the rest of the world is done bashing one another's brains out yet again, we'll soar in (just like in 1945) to pick up the pieces. We'll have completely recovered our economy, and we will be able to repeat it all over again.

There.
 
#82
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volprof said:
I have a masterplan for how to weather what some consider the imminent financial collapse the US will face.

It goes like this:

1. Pull the American taxpayer's insurance policy for world trade (aka, the United States Navy). Everyone in the world, including numerous Americans, will be happy.

2. Pretty soon, however, the happy train will wear thin, and the rest of the world will go back to pre-WWII, pre-Bretton Woods days. They'll start whining, hooting, and a-hollering at one another again, just like back in the good ole' days they apparently thought they missed.

3. Once the wars begin again, we sit it out and let them brain one another, instead of bailing them all out with American lives for a third time in roughly a century. We're on our island fortress afterall. Ain't nobody going to be messing with us. Just let them beat the **** out of one another, complain about why we don't do anything, give out war loans instead (etc.), and recuperate from our massive debt.

4. Once the rest of the world is done bashing one another's brains out yet again, we'll soar in (just like in 1945) to pick up the pieces. We'll have completely recovered our economy, and we will be able to repeat it all over again.

There.
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Not bad.
 
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Bigurnge said:
Of course the way our culture is heading we'll be the ones getting conquered.
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Ain't gonna happen.

I like watching "Red Dawn" just as much as the next guy, but that mess is nonsense.

The US is geographically the most secure great power (hell, probably even state period) when it comes to eliminating any foreign invasion attempts, it's almost laughable.

That's the reason why we've been able to build the most powerful navy in the history of eternity. We don't need to worry about domestic threats or invasion, so we project outwards.

We'll have our ups and downs, no doubt. And, yes, we're probably headed for another collapse at some point within the next two to three decades, but, while we may have to retreat a bit from global affairs, at the end of the day, we're not going anywhere.

I sometimes joke with people, that, once you understand how factors like geography, climate, and demography influence nations and power projection, the US could have fallen out of bed on the wrong side one morning and still have woken up a superpower.

It's in our geographic and climate DNA.

The world will never get rid off us. It will take a major natural disaster that would put out the entire world with us in order to do that.
 
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volprof said:
Ain't gonna happen.

I like watching "Red Dawn" just as much as the next guy, but that mess is nonsense.

The US is geographically the most secure great power (hell, probably even state period) when it comes to eliminating any foreign invasion attempts, it's almost laughable.

That's the reason why we've been able to build the most powerful navy in the history of eternity. We don't need to worry about domestic threats or invasion, so we project outwards.

We'll have our ups and downs, no doubt. And, yes, we're probably headed for another collapse at some point within the next two to three decades, but, while we may have to retreat a bit from global affairs, at the end of the day, we're not going anywhere.

I sometimes joke with people, that, once you understand how factors like geography, climate, and demography influence nations and power projection, the US could have fallen out of bed on the wrong side one morning and still have woken up a superpower.

It's in our geographic and climate DNA.

The world will never get rid off us. It will take a major natural disaster that would put out the entire world with us in order to do that.
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Yet illegal immigrants, cartels, and terrorists make it here with ease and our idiotic LIBS promote it. I'm not saying it'll be tomorrow or in 50 years but the culture that idiots are promoting today with eventually be our demise. Our country can't be defended by a bunch of liberal, wussified, lazy, worthless people with their hands always out or afraid bad guys will get hurt. Eventually the people that matter will get tired of defending this ilk.
 
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Bigurnge said:
Yet illegal immigrants, cartels, and terrorists make it here with ease and our idiotic LIBS promote it. I'm not saying it'll be tomorrow or in 50 years but the culture that idiots are promoting today with eventually be our demise. Our country can't be defended by a bunch of liberal, wussified, lazy, worthless people with their hands always out or afraid bad guys will get hurt. Eventually the people that matter will get tired of defending this ilk.
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With conquering heroes like yourself on our side, how can we possibly ever be defeated?
 
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volprof said:
That's the reason why we've been able to build the most powerful navy in the history of eternity. We don't need to worry about domestic threats or invasion, so we project outwards.
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What makes a navy the be-all end-all?
 
#92
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Velo Vol said:
What makes a navy the be-all end-all?
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In our American context, the following:

1. No one else can get here. We don't have to worry about invasion. Like I alluded to earlier, "Red Dawn" is awesome, while "Red Dawn" with Chris Hemsworth is, well, let's just say, "cute," but the idea that a nation can invade us by sending in a bunch of paratroopers is ridiculous. Sure, it might work for an hour or two, but they're eventually going to need supply channels and reinforcements.

2. The US Navy keeps the the world's trade working. We tend to take this for granted now, because it seems so natural (it's what we've all been accustomed to), but the current global trade system is anything but natural. It defies the entire history of human inter-civilization trade, particularly on the waterways (which is what is really needed for the big money). Before the US stepped in after WWII (admittedly for selfish aims to fight the Cold War- hell, does anyone really think we're going to waste billions/trillions of taxpayer dollars on morality?), the world had no such open trading system. It was everyone for himself. Navies only looked after their own national interests, which did not include a global war of ideology (Cold War). The result was constant major wars and constant global chaos. Iraq and Afghanistan are monumental ****-ups, but major wars and global chaos, they are not.

3. From a purely national perspective, the navy is what allows the US to project power and defend its interests (or those of the military-industrial complex, or Dick Cheney). We're a nation almost always anywhere between 4,000-12,000 miles away from the action. Without the naval power projection we have, we're ciphers on the world stage.
 
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#93
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volprof said:
I have a masterplan for how to weather what some consider the imminent financial collapse the US will face.

It goes like this:

1. Pull the American taxpayer's insurance policy for world trade (aka, the United States Navy). Everyone in the world, including numerous Americans, will be happy.

2. Pretty soon, however, the happy train will wear thin, and the rest of the world will go back to pre-WWII, pre-Bretton Woods days. They'll start whining, hooting, and a-hollering at one another again, just like back in the good ole' days they apparently thought they missed.

3. Once the wars begin again, we sit it out and let them brain one another, instead of bailing them all out with American lives for a third time in roughly a century. We're on our island fortress afterall. Ain't nobody going to be messing with us. Just let them beat the **** out of one another, complain about why we don't do anything, give out war loans instead (etc.), and recuperate from our massive debt.

4. Once the rest of the world is done bashing one another's brains out yet again, we'll soar in (just like in 1945) to pick up the pieces. We'll have completely recovered our economy, and we will be able to repeat it all over again.

There.
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wont work, we won't have the good will of the people. who ever wins that war would be the one "stepping up". no one would stop them and depending on who it was they would probably see us as equals if not inferior, as would the world. Any step back from the political world stage would have to be a consistent thing. If we aren't willing to fight for the future of the world what right do we have in setting the terms for that future. (less than we have now) in your scenario we would become the lightning rod of hate even faster than before. and there would probably be another World War right after it, as we re-enter the stage and upset the balance established by violence.
 
#94
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Velo Vol said:
What makes a navy the be-all end-all?
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as prof alluded to: the projection of power. we can park one of our naval fleets anywhere in the world and have air superiority. One of our super carriers has like 90 planes on it. Russia and China have like 200 planes apiece, so unless they are able to throw more than half of their airforce at 1 of our carriers we will have numerical advantage. that is not including any technical, experience and hardware advantages we have as well. this also doesn't include any of the smaller carriers that will sometimes accompany them.
air superiority wins the modern battlefield. and we can bring our airforce with us on the backs of our navy.

same thing would apply to defending the US. we could park our navy at our shores and have the planes strike any hostile targets inland. then pack up and move to the next one without depending on having established bases.

if you don't want to just trust the airwings on ships lets talk about other toys our navy has. Missiles. a single strike can change a battlefield, and imo we have the best missiles and missile defenses out there, on our ships. hard to prove without putting to the test. also Rail Guns. we might see a return to the battleship if rail guns get going, or at least that mindset of ship to ship fighting. while the range right now is less than a missile unlike a missile the attack can't be detected or defended against. i won't say one strike wonders but that is a completely new element of warfare that only we have.
 
#95
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LouderVol said:
wont work, we won't have the good will of the people. who ever wins that war would be the one "stepping up". no one would stop them and depending on who it was they would probably see us as equals if not inferior, as would the world. Any step back from the political world stage would have to be a consistent thing. If we aren't willing to fight for the future of the world what right do we have in setting the terms for that future. (less than we have now) in your scenario we would become the lightning rod of hate even faster than before. and there would probably be another World War right after it, as we re-enter the stage and upset the balance established by violence.
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Good thinking.

Well, in that case, we can come swooping in during the final year or two of the conflict, be the decisive edge, and liberate whoever seems like they'll be the best economic partners.

Problem solved. Now, it's a masterplan again.
 
#96
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LouderVol said:
also Rail Guns. we might see a return to the battleship if rail guns get going, or at least that mindset of ship to ship fighting.
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???

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