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Common core is uncommonly dumb IMO. Over complicates simple arithmetic from what I have seen. My niece is bright and in public school common core. My son is in the same grade Christian school educated and performs on average 3 gradelevels.or more above her in every subject . Common core curriculum is the cause, not intellect.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Common core is uncommonly dumb IMO. Over complicates simple arithmetic from what I have seen. My niece is bright and in public school common core. My son is in the same grade Christian school educated and performs on average 3 gradelevels.or more above her in every subject . Common core curriculum is the cause, not intellect.
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I've seen some on it and it looks convoluted. US needs to switch to the base-10 metric system but base 10 isn't the best way to solve every problem.

And I tend to think in base-10. It was bad.
 
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agent|orange said:
She's saying CC is centralized and oppresses innovation.

I disagree, but I can understand the platform she's basing her argument on.
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We're competing with many more countries than China.

I don't know the nuts and bolts of Common Core, but claiming something stifles student "innovation" is a broad claim. How is innovation best taught?
 
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Velo Vol said:
We're competing with many more countries than China.

I don't know the nuts and bolts of Common Core, but claiming something stifles student "innovation" is a broad claim. How is innovation best taught?
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yeah i was going to say the old method wasn't exactly pushing individualism either.
 
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So............how long before we get involved in a war with China? Less than a year?
 
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davethevol said:
So............how long before we get involved in a war with China? Less than a year?
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"Said a senior NATO (non-US) GOFO to me today: "We'll probably be at war this summer. If we're lucky it won't be nuclear." Let that sink in."
 
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#VFL__ said:
"Said a senior NATO (non-US) GOFO to me today: "We'll probably be at war this summer. If we're lucky it won't be nuclear." Let that sink in."
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There's no way this resolves without armed conflict. Looking at those "islands" and the fact they are near the Phillipines and Vietnam and nowhere near China is just crazy. I think they're working on provoking a war and have some weapons that we aren't aware of. Plus, they have those high-speed missiles that are now the fastest in the world, so if they want to launch EMP's and take out our satellites there's not much we can do to stop it.
 
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Obsessed said:
Any input on the links I provided?

Are they junk?
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sorry, had opened them but never really read them. info seems fine, still trying to figure out why China is operating in the Mediterranean. As far as i know they don't have an alliance with anyone in the area. and before Ras/Pacer get pissy Russia is up in the Black Sea but even then i don't think they have a defensive alliance or anything. i would actually welcome the Chinese into being part of the Maritime Order to help deal with all the crap all over the world.
 
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davethevol said:
So............how long before we get involved in a war with China? Less than a year?
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in all my expertise (sarcasm) i would say before the decade is over we are involved in armed conflict with them, likely on part of our alliances. but i don't think its full blown war. I think they are still a step or two away before they feel real comfortable pushing us heavily. That being said they will take as much as we will give them. if we played hardball you might see a change, but giving giving giving will work out like Germany in the 1930s (not comparing them to nazis)
 
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davethevol said:
There's no way this resolves without armed conflict. Looking at those "islands" and the fact they are near the Phillipines and Vietnam and nowhere near China is just crazy. I think they're working on provoking a war and have some weapons that we aren't aware of. Plus, they have those high-speed missiles that are now the fastest in the world, so if they want to launch EMP's and take out our satellites there's not much we can do to stop it.
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China has proven it has an overwhelming drive to try to attack the US. Though most stories that come out are from honey-pots that are actually working in the US' favor... the intent is there and is souring.

Chinese professors among 6 charged with economic espionage

They steal our tech. They get Chinese professors in the US to do it or they do it when US manufacturers foolishly export assembly or fabrication to China.

When will this nation actually learn? China is not our friend. They have no interest in being behind or abreast of the US. They want to dominate the US and especially the Pacific realm.

Yet we continue enabling them as an enormous geopolitical adversary for the next several decades in the interest of making a small number of Americans wealthy. If the Chinese get to the moon and start colonizing/mining it... it might be close to game over.

The world does not want China to control Helium-3 access on Earth as well as controlling the manufacturing and maintenance of renewable energy sources. This is where the Chinese will establish and enforce their hegemony.

They don't need to go to war with the US. The US is already antiquating itself with the marriage to fossil fuels in a quickly shrinking domestic market while the Chinese corner a global market.
 
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agent|orange said:
China has proven it has an overwhelming drive to try to attack the US. Though most stories that come out are from honey-pots that are actually working in the US' favor... the intent is there and is souring.

Chinese professors among 6 charged with economic espionage

They steal our tech. They get Chinese professors in the US to do it or they do it when US manufacturers foolishly export assembly or fabrication to China.

When will this nation actually learn? China is not our friend. They have no interest in being behind or abreast of the US. They want to dominate the US and especially the Pacific realm.

Yet we continue enabling them as an enormous geopolitical adversary for the next several decades in the interest of making a small number of Americans wealthy. If the Chinese get to the moon and start colonizing/mining it... it might be close to game over.

The world does not want China to control Helium-3 access on Earth as well as controlling the manufacturing and maintenance of renewable energy sources. This is where the Chinese will establish and enforce their hegemony.

They don't need to go to war with the US. The US is already antiquating itself with the marriage to fossil fuels in a quickly shrinking domestic market while the Chinese corner a global market.
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i agree that we have made the monster that is China. not sure i follow your concern on the cornering the renewable energy market and the link to H3. H3 isn't really a sustainable product. and as far as them getting to the moon I don't see how we can stop that outside of war that devastates them (and us). and the Chinese are more heavily dependent on oil than we are. 3 gorges dams and others are not producing near the amount of energy they assumed, their use of solar panels doesn't match the growth of the country, as stunted as that is. china has not figured out how to go sustainable, and as you mentioned they might be incapable of coming up with the tech for it.
 
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LouderVol said:
i agree that we have made the monster that is China. not sure i follow your concern on the cornering the renewable energy market and the link to H3. H3 isn't really a sustainable product. and as far as them getting to the moon I don't see how we can stop that outside of war that devastates them (and us). and the Chinese are more heavily dependent on oil than we are. 3 gorges dams and others are not producing near the amount of energy they assumed, their use of solar panels doesn't match the growth of the country, as stunted as that is. china has not figured out how to go sustainable, and as you mentioned they might be incapable of coming up with the tech for it.
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The world as a whole is transitioning to renewable sources. Right now China dominates the manufacturing of solar panels. As the global market increases, so too will China's dominance of it. Germany and Japan, the only legitimate threats to Chinese desires of control, simply don't have the horsepower to really compete.

And the Moon is speculated to have around 1,100,000 metric tons of helium-3. 40 tons of H-3 could power the US for a year.

Give the Chinese another couple of decades of "at any cost" intellectual theft and R&D and they'll get to the Moon.

The difference I see is not where China and the US currently are but where both nations are endeavoring to be in 15-20 years. The US still intends to be married to and mired with fossil fuels. China (and the rest of the world) are moving to cleaner if not outright renewable energy sources. With that, there is a large market for solar panels, wind turbines, hydro, geothermal and other sources. While the source of energy generation is renewable... the hardware isn't. Those will need to be replaced due to wear/tear and by ever more efficient models.

We're effectively giving China that market. Congrats, us.
 
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agent|orange said:
The world as a whole is transitioning to renewable sources. Right now China dominates the manufacturing of solar panels. As the global market increases, so too will China's dominance of it. Germany and Japan, the only legitimate threats to Chinese desires of control, simply don't have the horsepower to really compete.

And the Moon is speculated to have around 1,100,000 metric tons of helium-3. 40 tons of H-3 could power the US for a year.

Give the Chinese another couple of decades of "at any cost" intellectual theft and R&D and they'll get to the Moon.

The difference I see is not where China and the US currently are but where both nations are endeavoring to be in 15-20 years. The US still intends to be married to and mired with fossil fuels. China (and the rest of the world) are moving to cleaner if not outright renewable energy sources. With that, there is a large market for solar panels, wind turbines, hydro, geothermal and other sources. While the source of energy generation is renewable... the hardware isn't. Those will need to be replaced due to wear/tear and by ever more efficient models.

We're effectively giving China that market. Congrats, us.
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the problem we face here is unions, minimum wage and a host of other social issues. we decided a long time ago that the individual is more important than a guaranteed future. good luck changing that back.

and has been argued here or somewhere else, probably the Ukraine thread, China has made the motions of wanting to get out of the manufacturing biz. their manufacturing size has no more room to grow. with them becoming a consuming population, like the US, and their push towards office jobs you will see a move from blue collar to white. in that scenario it isn't china making the stuff but whatever borderline 2nd/3rd world nation is the cheapest. i think China will have to go through a huge cultural/society swing to do what you are talking about. and i am of the opinion that they don't survive in a form that we would recognize as China today.
 
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LouderVol said:
the problem we face here is unions, minimum wage and a host of other social issues. we decided a long time ago that the individual is more important than a guaranteed future. good luck changing that back.
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I hold the unpopular opinion that the renewable market in the US should be spurred on by government subsidies. Subsidize the R&D, fabrication and manufacturing and the jobs will be here.

Tax break incentives enticed Intel to invest several billion dollars and secured their fabrication (but not assembly) process for their chips here in the US. That was a major win for us.

The US can do it. The question is "how can Capitol Hill fight against the influx of money from oil when it's clear that subsidy legislation would go directly against some of the biggest corporations in the world".

Oil grew extremely powerful. Overcoming that domestically will be incredibly difficult as, as I stated above, I think the only way the US can do it is to get tax breaks and other subsidies to encourage domestic R&D, fabrication and assembly.

Really domestic R&D and fabrication is what is needed. That is currently what we do for just about everything in the tech sector. It's just assembled in Malaysia using components that are made here. We need to hoard and protect the sensitive processes we use to fabricate complicated machines.
 
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We created this monster. We can take it down.

Wouldn't even require a shot fired.

Pull the American taxpayer's insurance policy known as the United States Navy that ensures the stability of world trade for all nations and watch the little Chinese bastards run back to Quangdong to cry and eat some rice noodles.
 
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volprof said:
We created this monster. We can take it down.

Wouldn't even require a shot fired.

Pull the American taxpayer's insurance policy known as the United States Navy that ensures the stability of world trade for all nations and watch the little Chinese bastards run back to Quangdong to cry and eat some rice noodles.
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This is America now folks! Just hate because we can! Smh
 
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agent|orange said:
When will this nation actually learn? China is not our friend. They have no interest in being behind or abreast of the US. They want to dominate the US and especially the Pacific realm.
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That doesn't mean they are an enemy. I think they just do what they think is good for China.
 
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volprof said:
Pull the American taxpayer's insurance policy known as the United States Navy that ensures the stability of world trade for all nations and watch the little Chinese bastards run back to Quangdong to cry and eat some rice noodles.
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wut
 
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agent|orange said:
I've seen some on it and it looks convoluted. US needs to switch to the base-10 metric system but base 10 isn't the best way to solve every problem.

And I tend to think in base-10. It was bad.
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What pray tell is the base 10 metric system?
 
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Velo Vol said:
wut
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Contrary to the thinking of some, the Bretton Woods system has been relatively beneficial.

Sure, it's a bribery scheme, but the US deserves something for keeping all ocean-bound international freight open and safe from pirates and/or hostile nations.

China would be relatively powerless without it. Like I said, we created the monster. We can take it down if need be.

If I were China, I wouldn't bite the hand that feeds me.

But, as we know, humans are not always rational creatures.
 
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