China Thread

[BreatheUT]

I sense a Carlos vs Velo conflict myself in a liberal grease match.

 

[hog88]

Yep. If they’re actually trying to provoke an open war then the only reason it makes sense is they are crumbling from within. Regardless nobody should want to actually go to war with them they are THE peer adversary currently. More so than Russia.

War with China would be a worldwide catastrophe.

 

[Velo Vol]

Which war happens first: India versus China or India versus Pakistan?

 

[carlos86]

Well North Korea is entering the DMZ at Kaesong and Mount Kumgang areas

 

[hog88]

Well North Korea is entering the DMZ at Kaesong and Mount Kumgang areas

I can only find where they threatened to enter.

 

[carlos86]

I can only find where they threatened to enter.

“Kim Yo Jong flatly rejected South Korea's offer to send special envoys to defuse tensions.”

 

[Matt2496]

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...ina-face-off-in-first-deadly-clash-in-decades

"American intelligence believes 35 Chinese troops died, including one senior officer, a source familiar with that assessment tells U.S. News."

 

[hog88]

“Kim Yo Jong flatly rejected South Korea's offer to send special envoys to defuse tensions.”

So they haven't entered the DMZ yet.

Saying either side "entered" the DMZ is a sensational headline. Both north and south are inside the DMZ everyday. When they cross the MDL in force, that is a headline.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

A China-India war could reduce the population by about a 1/3 and decimate the intellectual property theft industry.

Lol...good one. Stinking thieves...

It would mean war but I think if we could peel back the curtain we would find they are almost broke and the central committee wants war to unify their people against someone other than them.

Exactly this. I think the people are close to revolt anyway due to the police state and always living in fear of the gov...as well as EXTREME corruption at every level of society....and historically, China has had civil war/revolt every time food gets scarce.

They need a war to get folks anger turned outward instead of at the .gov...because they are weaker now than at any point in the last 20 to 30 years. Weaker domestically.

From a military standpoint...they are far stronger than they have ever been, especially in the area of "area denial" with cruise missiles and radar. They have wisely focused and spend billions on developing supersonic cruise missiles to neutralize our aircraft carriers, guided missile destroyers, and aircraft. They watched as we destroyed Baghdad in about 12 hours with overwhelming attacks from stealth aircraft, smart bombs, and tomahawk cruise missiles. They wisely focused their research and spending on ways to neutralize our deadliest technology....there is a reason we are fighting tooth and nail to keep them from building all of those man made islands in the south china sea and beyond....with cruise missile installations they can keep our carriers out of those areas entirely....

Could you imagine losing a super carrier to a cruise missile? That is a VERY real threat these days, of course we continue to work on countermeasures. These hypersonic missiles are too fast for Phalanx type gun installations to be effective....to lose 3000 sailors and several billion dollars to a barrage of cruise missiles would be devastating for morale....

In short...we want no part of China, any more than they want war with us. Mutual destruction is not a desirable outcome...they look to be increasingly desperate though, with tensions from every angle.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I find this $2 T manufacturing stimulus to be intriguing. Talk about restructuring supply chains away from China....

I think that's the first step that whoever wins the 2020 election needs to take. We need to get back to manufacturing as much as possible on American soil

 

[mr.checkerboards]

War with China would be a worldwide catastrophe.

Any war involving 2 of USA Rus China would be a catastrophe. Maybe could throw Japan in there as well

 

[headhunter15]

Any war involving 2 of USA Rus China would be a catastrophe. Maybe could throw Japan in there as well

I have thought today that if China keeps land grabbing and it’s aggressive posture in Asia that they may find themselves in a conflict with a coalition of the U.S., Japan, South Korea, Australia, and India. Of course that would likely means Russia joins and war breaks out with Russia and NATO on the European theater.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I have thought today that if China keeps land grabbing and it’s aggressive posture in Asia it may find themselves in a conflict with a coalition of the U.S., Japan, South Kora, Australia, and India. Of course that would likely means Russia joins and war breaks out with Russia and NATO on the European theater.

I'm firmly in the camp of the US does not need to engage unless directly attacked. We have too much to lose right now getting into another world war

 

[carlos86]

I think that's the first step that whoever wins the 2020 election needs to take. We need to get back to manufacturing as much as possible on American soil

It’s would be shifted to Vietnam or another Southeast Asian country.

 

[carlos86]

 

[Velo Vol]

So this skirmish <checks notes> with soldiers using stones and clubs is going to start a war between nuclear states, eh?

 

[NorthDallas40]

So this skirmish <checks notes> with soldiers using stones and clubs is going to start a war between nuclear states, eh?

Wow of all the things to take a dipshit dismissive tone on. <checks own notes> so regular military troops exchanged blows resulting in deaths on both sides. Both sides are nuclear powers and both sides are moving more troops into the region. But it’s no big deal... SMDH

 

[Franklin Pierce]

China brings in its big guns after troops fought to the death with rocks: Beijing puts on a show of force on Tibetan plateau as Indian PM warns of 'befitting reply' and hawks in Delhi demand retaliation for border clash

China today broadcast live-fire military drills on the Tibetan plateau as India warned of a 'befitting reply' after 20 of its soldiers were killed in bloody hand-to-hand combat at the disputed Himalayan border.

Communist state TV showed footage of artillery and tanks blowing apart the desert landscape as 7,000 infantry simulated assaults against fortified positions around 600 miles from Monday's deadly skirmish in the Galwan River Valley.

Beijing announced it had suffered 43 casualties, but did not specify whether any of its men had been killed in the first deadly combat between the two nuclear-armed countries since 1975.

Neither side used firearms in the brawl because under a peace agreement both sides have agreed not to carry guns within 2km of the disputed border. Instead many of the dead were knocked unconscious by nail-studded clubs and rocks before plunging into the icy waters below the high mountain pass.

As hawks in Delhi demanded retribution for the skirmish, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi warned 'the sacrifice of the soldiers will not go in vain. India wants peace but if antagonised it can and will give a befitting reply whatever the situation is.'

China meanwhile broadcast images of intense military exercises, staged at 15,419ft and featuring some of the country's most powerful weapons, including the Type 15 light tank, HJ-10 anti-tank missile, Type 11 rocket launcher and Type 07A self-propelled artillery.

In Beijing, foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said the clash erupted after Indian soldiers 'crossed the line, acted illegally, provoked and attacked the Chinese, resulting in both sides engaging in serious physical conflict and injury and death'.

Communist state TV showed footage of artillery and tanks blowing apart the desert landscape as some 7,000 infantry simulated assaults against enemy fortified positions around 600 miles from Monday's deadly skirmish in the Galwan River Valley

At least 20 Indian soldiers, including a colonel, were killed and at least 43 Chinese men were wounded or killed on Monday night along the Line of Actual Control (LAC), a disputed border in the Himlayas (the red territory is controlled by India, and the beige and grey stripes, Aksai Chin, is Chinese but claimed by India, the white line which surrounds is what Indian believes its border should be, whereas the black line was agreed after then 1962 Sino-Indian War - a heavy defeat for India)

According to the Indian account of the brawl, what had started out as an effort at disengagement after a month-long standoff along the frontier unravelled last week when Indian troops furiously dismantled a camp set up by the Chinese on their side of the border.

Scuffles broke out and several men were injured, but the Chinese only retreated briefly to flood back in greater numbers over the weekend, with stones being hurled on Sunday.

On Monday these skirmishes boiled over into a full-scale brawl atop a ridge-line above the Galwan River, with many men said to have died after plunging into the frigid glacial waters below.

'They came hurtling down like free-falling objects,' one source told AFP. Postmortem examinations on those killed showed that the 'primary reason for death is drowning and it looks like they fell from a height into the water because of head injuries,' an official told AFP.

Among the dead was Colonel B. Santosh Babu, Commanding Officer of the 16 Bihar regiment, who had gone to meet with the Chinese People's Liberation Army commanders in an attempt to discuss an end to recent tensions.

But the 37-year-old was fatally injured along with another soldier as the Communist forces took up iron rods and hurled rocks wrapped in barbed wire at their counterparts.

China shows force on Tibetan plateau amid tensions with India | Daily Mail Online

 

[Vol737]

Three Indian soldiers killed in hand-to-hand fighting on Chinese border

And, here we go.......

Kung fu wins the day...unless you’re really good at BJJ.

 

[VolStrom]

Does the US military have Tofu, skinny fatigues and allow man buns?

 

[Vol737]

I have thought today that if China keeps land grabbing and it’s aggressive posture in Asia that they may find themselves in a conflict with a coalition of the U.S., Japan, South Korea, Australia, and India. Of course that would likely means Russia joins and war breaks out with Russia and NATO on the European theater.

Probably time to enact MOAS (mother of all sanctions) as a joint coordinated effort between US, S. Korea, Australia, Japan and European partners that might still have a set of balls against both China and N. Korea. Freeze assets, re-impose tariffs, move production facilities out of China. Forget the UN, they’re feckless and they’re China’s b****.

 

[carlos86]

No we know why the administration doesn’t hit the Chinese on its concentration camps.

 

[Electric Orange]

 

[lukeneyland]

Lol...good one. Stinking thieves...





Exactly this. I think the people are close to revolt anyway due to the police state and always living in fear of the gov...as well as EXTREME corruption at every level of society....and historically, China has had civil war/revolt every time food gets scarce.

They need a war to get folks anger turned outward instead of at the .gov...because they are weaker now than at any point in the last 20 to 30 years. Weaker domestically.

From a military standpoint...they are far stronger than they have ever been, especially in the area of "area denial" with cruise missiles and radar. They have wisely focused and spend billions on developing supersonic cruise missiles to neutralize our aircraft carriers, guided missile destroyers, and aircraft. They watched as we destroyed Baghdad in about 12 hours with overwhelming attacks from stealth aircraft, smart bombs, and tomahawk cruise missiles. They wisely focused their research and spending on ways to neutralize our deadliest technology....there is a reason we are fighting tooth and nail to keep them from building all of those man made islands in the south china sea and beyond....with cruise missile installations they can keep our carriers out of those areas entirely....

Could you imagine losing a super carrier to a cruise missile? That is a VERY real threat these days, of course we continue to work on countermeasures. These hypersonic missiles are too fast for Phalanx type gun installations to be effective....to lose 3000 sailors and several billion dollars to a barrage of cruise missiles would be devastating for morale....

In short...we want no part of China, any more than they want war with us. Mutual destruction is not a desirable outcome...they look to be increasingly desperate though, with tensions from every angle.

I don't think there's anyway that we could win an offensive war with them. And I think the same applies to them. Our current and previous government's have failed us gravely in allowing China to grow into the force that they have

 

[MontyPython]

Trump says U.S. has option of 'decoupling' from China, contradicting his trade chief

President Donald Trump on Thursday said the U.S. has the option of "a complete decoupling from China," a day after his top trade adviser said such a move isn't a reasonable policy. "It was not Ambassador Lighthizer's fault (yesterday in Committee) in that perhaps I didn't make myself clear, but the U.S. certainly does maintain a policy option, under various conditions, of a complete decoupling from China," Trump wrote in a tweet. On Wednesday, U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer told lawmakers that "I don't think [decoupling is] a policy or reasonable policy option at this point."

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Stable. Genius.