Churches Not Tax-Exempt - Chuck Grassley

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Tax-exempt religious organisations: God knows | The Economist

“THE constitution does not require the government to exempt churches from federal income taxation or from filing tax and information returns.” The potential implications of this comment, in a report earlier this month by Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa, are starting to dawn on a large chunk of America’s charitable sector, which has until now taken for granted that it is exempt from tax.
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Will be the death of the Compassionate Conservative. Their compassion has always been a fiduciary exemption. Here comes a spike in gold standard and bunkers futures.
 
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I'm not comfortable with religion becoming a revenue stream for the Feds.
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IPorange said:
I'm not comfortable with religion becoming a revenue stream for the Feds.
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Why not? Religion already holds as much sway power as tobacco, alcohol, and firearms. Might as well alleviate some of the debt with the money that people blindly throw at their church.
 
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VOLatile said:
Tax-exempt religious organisations: God knows | The Economist



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Just out of curiousity I have two questions for you since you seem to be on a mission against religion.

First, how much did you actually pay in taxes last year counting in a refund if you got one?

Second, how much did you personally give to charities?

I love people like you because it is proven that liberals give way less than conservatives. This is on record by multiple sources.

So tell me buddy boy, how much have you given to help Haiti?
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Just out of curiousity I have two questions for you since you seem to be on a mission against religion.

First, how much did you actually pay in taxes last year counting in a refund if you got one?

Second, how much did you personally give to charities?

I love people like you because it is proven that liberals give way less than conservatives. This is on record by multiple sources.

So tell me buddy boy, how much have you given to help Haiti?
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Without your exemption, how much will you give? How do you feel about Grassley, as a Tea Partier? When does your desire to give, give up on your desire to be tax exempt in your tithing, as Volnation's Lotus-drivin' progenitor of compassion-based giving?
 
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People who have given to Haiti have wasted their money. That government is so corrupt that only about 10% of donations has reached the affected. The vast majority of US supplies is for sale in flea markets in the Dominican Republic.
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I earned $17273. Income tax withheld $1724. Social security $1070. Medicare $250.

$150 to Haiti. $150 to Student Hunger Drive. $35 to Doctors Without Borders. None of which I used as a tax deduction.

I'll go out on a limb and say that my donations are above what people my age and in the same income level give, no matter what political affiliation. I believe in charities and try to give when I can.

You're right, I am against religion. Amount of money I gave to Salvation Army? NONE.
 
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Fyodor Dostoevsky said:
Without your exemption, how much will you give? How do you feel about Grassley, as a Tea Partier? When does your desire to give, give up on your desire to be tax exempt in your tithing, as Volnation's Lotus-drivin' progenitor of compassion-based giving?
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I currently give 10% of my net earnings directly to my local church. I will still give 10% of my net earnings directly to my local church. I am already not getting a tax break on everything I give due to the new laws. Also, my money has already been taxed I do not feel it should be taxed again as income to my church. I also feel that places like the Salvation army should be 100% tax exempt.
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
I currently give 10% of my net earnings directly to my local church. I will still give 10% of my net earnings directly to my local church. I am already not getting a tax break on everything I give due to the new laws. Also, my money has already been taxed I do not feel it should be taxed again as income to my church. I also feel that places like the Salvation army should be 100% tax exempt.
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America made you who you are. So don't whine about taxes when you drive a Lotus.
 
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VOLatile said:
I earned $17273. Income tax withheld $1724. Social security $1070. Medicare $250.

$150 to Haiti. $150 to Student Hunger Drive. $35 to Doctors Without Borders. None of which I used as a tax deduction.

I'll go out on a limb and say that my donations are above what people my age and in the same income level give, no matter what political affiliation. I believe in charities and try to give when I can.

You're right, I am against religion. Amount of money I gave to Salvation Army? NONE.
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It was nice of you to give but you didn't quite sacrifice did you? $335 in a year? That's a half a tank of gas a month.
 
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IHTB, what would you do if you were born in Norway where they pay 47.8% income tax and are socialist instead of the US? Speaking hypothetically.
 
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VOLatile said:
IHTB, what would you do if you were born in Norway where they pay 47.8% income tax and are socialist instead of the US? Speaking hypothetically.
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Trust me 47.8% tax in America happens.

You factor in a city tax of 2% a state tax of 9,573.30 + 6.24% of excess over $200,000, a federal tax of 35% and you are right there with Norway.

Way too much. And I'm not even factoring in my freakin corp taxes which are a joke and the highest in the world now.
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Trust me 47.8% tax in America happens.

You factor in a city tax of 2% a state tax of 9,573.30 + 6.24% of excess over $200,000, a federal tax of 35% and you are right there with Norway.

Way too much. And I'm not even factoring in my freakin corp taxes which are a joke and the highest in the world now.
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Missing one vital piece of information: In Norway, you wouldn't make as much money doing what you do here, plus there's a wealth tax (0% to 1.1%). You would pay your employees A LOT more money and everyone would be closer to equal pay within the company. You also wouldn't have to pay for insurance or health care (it's just as good and readily available), and your kids could go to any college (in the world) on Norway's dime (well, actually everyone's in a roundabout way). I'm sure I'm forgetting a few things, though. I'm just going off of memory. Oh, and everyone could see your taxes and you can see theirs. Complete transparency. There aren't many Lotus's being driven in Norway because of that.

Yet, somehow, Norway has the quickest rising rate of start up companies.
 
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VOLatile said:
Missing one vital piece of information: In Norway, you wouldn't make as much money doing what you do here, plus there's a wealth tax (0% to 1.1%). You would pay your employees A LOT more money and everyone would be closer to equal pay within the company. You also wouldn't have to pay for insurance or health care (it's just as good and readily available), and your kids could go to any college (in the world) on Norway's dime (well, actually everyone's in a roundabout way). I'm sure I'm forgetting a few things, though. I'm just going off of memory. Oh, and everyone could see your taxes and you can see theirs. Complete transparency. There aren't many Lotus's being driven in Norway because of that.

Yet, somehow, Norway has the quickest rising rate of start up companies.
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Must be the non-breeders are bringing down the social construct. Wait, what? That sounds awesome.
 
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VOLatile said:
Why not? Religion already holds as much sway power as tobacco, alcohol, and firearms. Might as well alleviate some of the debt with the money that people blindly throw at their church.
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If you want to argue against churches abusing their 501c3 exemption, I'll listen. But what you are advocating is using the tax code as a retaliatory device which is not a good thing.
 
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Article mainly reads to me that Grassley probably initially intends for "churches" to file 990s like other non-profits have to do to require greater accountability. I really don't have any problem with that as I am sure there are some "churches" out there that use the guise of a chuch to run a lot of shady stuff.

If the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability is jumping on this as well as is stated in the article, then you can be assured more people than just Grassley see the problem.
 
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tigervol9802 said:
Article mainly reads to me that Grassley probably initially intends for "churches" to file 990s like other non-profits have to do to require greater accountability.
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Having dealt with hundreds of churches over the years, I'd say this is something that absolutely should be done.
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
It was nice of you to give but you didn't quite sacrifice did you? $335 in a year? That's a half a tank of gas a month.
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With all due respect (if any is due) - who are you to criticize someone for donating? Who cares if you donate more!?! The fact that you are on here essentially boasting about how much you donate and then criticize someone else for "not sacrificing enough" essentially makes your donations worthless. You say you are religious......does the term "pharisee" ring a bell?

This 10% that you donate to the church - how much of it do you think actually goes out to help the poor, less-fortunate, homeless, etc? I'd venture to say the vast majority of you "charitable donation" goes towards the mortgage payment on your pastor's lakefront mansion somewhere.
 
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Personally I tithe to my church. However, I specifically mark it for missions work, not the church budget and I do not use it when filing my taxes.
 
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