Ciudad Juarez is lost

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TXA&M07

TXA&M07

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and I'm afraid that El Paso will fall eventually.

Reports of over 9000 cartel members in town according to an El Paso newspaper.

How far does it go until we (U.S. Military) go in? And I'm not talking "task forces".
 
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Don't fight them, hire them. Pay them $10 per hour to fight in Afghanistan.


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If I was in Mexico I would do what ever to get in the States. Just saying.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
I understand this side of the argument, but its not as simple as turning off the switch. Its not going to magically end all of this.
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Really? How in the world are drug cartels going to make money once drugs are legalized? The violence is about money. Without a black market there is no money. Problem solved.

The violence associated with the black market for alcohol went away as soon as prohibition did.
 
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Wonder if the US legalized cannabis on a trial basis just to see what happens?
 
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OJ said:
If I was in Mexico I would do what ever to get in the States. Just saying.
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Can't believe I agree with you on anything, but this.

Legalization of drugs, or elimination of welfare, or whatever will not ease the illegal immigration issues. Mexicans keep coming over here because they live under an absentee government at the best, or violent drug cartels at worst.
 
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nbakerld said:
Really? How in the world are drug cartels going to make money once drugs are legalized? The violence is about money. Without a black market there is no money. Problem solved.

The violence associated with the black market for alcohol went away as soon as prohibition did.
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I've heard that up to sixty percent of there money comes from the sale of cannabis.
 
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nbakerld said:
Really? How in the world are drug cartels going to make money once drugs are legalized? The violence is about money. Without a black market there is no money. Problem solved.

The violence associated with the black market for alcohol went away as soon as prohibition did.
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They've been killing each other for territory for the past decade. Its not like once dope is legal, they'll throw their guns away and hold hands to sing Feliz Navidad.

Legalizing dope will still cause a need for a supplier. You think there wont be some competition as to which cartel gets to that contract?

Not the way I intended this to go, but if we absolutely must debate the legalization of dope, by all means...
 
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OJ said:
I've heard that up to sixty percent of there money comes from the sell of cannabis.
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possibly, but human trafficking, guns (70% comes from the USA), and coke are all apart of the market place.
 
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nbakerld said:
Really? How in the world are drug cartels going to make money once drugs are legalized? The violence is about money. Without a black market there is no money. Problem solved.

The violence associated with the black market for alcohol went away as soon as prohibition did.
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What drugs are you talking about? Weed?

If you legalize them all, it won't be any better. You'll just have more lazy piece of crap drug addicts trying to get on welfare. That's if they manage to maintain a residency. I'm sure the homeless population would increase. Too busy/desperate looking for their next fix to go to work or overspending so they are evicted. Obviously that's a possibility while it's illegal but a lot more people will be duped into believing smoking crack and shooting up heroin is acceptable. A higher percentage of people trying it means a higher percentage of addiction.

It would decrease drug dealers but it would just increase bums and drug addicts. And their need for a fix might not lower crime. Lots of them will steal and hold people at gun point for 20 bucks just so they can shoot up for 10 minutes.
 
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drugs aren't a market and the cartels are inherently inefficient, the glorious experience of Cuba shows us that the real world supermajority demands that universal drug availability will dramatically increase our happiness index.
 
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I see that the US cash crop is cannabis. More than corn , wheat or all veggies. How many jobs would it create? How much money can be made? When the government legalized alcohol didn't it help to pull our country out of economic woes?
 
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TXVOL07 said:
They've been killing each other for territory for the past decade. Its not like once dope is legal, they'll throw their guns away and hold hands to sing Feliz Navidad.

Legalizing dope will still cause a need for a supplier. You think there wont be some competition as to which cartel gets to that contract?

Not the way I intended this to go, but if we absolutely must debate the legalization of dope, by all means...
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Trust me, these cartels aren't going to be the suppliers once it's a legal venture. Once drugs are legal, Americans have no need for the cartels.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
What drugs are you talking about? Weed?

If you legalize them all, it won't be any better. You'll just have more lazy piece of crap drug addicts trying to get on welfare. That's if they manage to maintain a residency. I'm sure the homeless population would increase. Too busy/desperate looking for their next fix to go to work or overspending so they are evicted. Obviously that's a possibility while it's illegal but a lot more people will be duped into believing smoking crack and shooting up heroin is acceptable. A higher percentage of people trying it means a higher percentage of addiction.

It would decrease drug dealers but it would just increase bums and drug addicts.
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Ever heard of Portugal?

Five years later, the number of deaths from street drug overdoses dropped from around 400 to 290 annually, and the number of new HIV cases caused by using dirty needles to inject heroin, cocaine and other illegal substances plummeted from nearly 1,400 in 2000 to about 400 in 2006, according to a report released recently by the Cato Institute, a Washington, D.C, libertarian think tank.
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5 Years After: Portugal's Drug Decriminalization Policy Shows Positive Results: Scientific American
 
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nbakerld said:
I'm not sure what kinds of problems that would create. Maybe you can help me...
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the cartels are a billion dollar business, the federal government has made little attempt to stop armed incursions into the SW US. Do you think the cartels are going to allow Ma and Pa farmers to set up shop, legally, a few miles from the Mexican border?

It may lead to a war the Cartels eventually lose, but you're kidding yourself if you think they will just give up once the US cash cow is threatened by extinction.
 
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Our war on drugs has created a lot of popular myths. Like the correlation between addiction and unemployment. Most say it's because drug addiction makes you lazy or incapable of holding down a job. I know alcoholics who can hold down a job. The war on drugs has led us to persecute addicts by denying them employment. That's the biggest reason why they are unemployed. Before the war on drugs it was commonplace for addicts to be contributing members of society. The guy who started Johns Hopkins University was the definition of addict, and you would've never known.
 
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MG1968 said:
the cartels are a billion dollar business, the federal government has made little attempt to stop armed incursions into the SW US. Do you think the cartels are going to allow Ma and Pa farmers to set up shop, legally, a few miles from the Mexican border?

It may lead to a war the Cartels eventually lose, but you're kidding yourself if you think they will just give up once the US cash cow is threatened by extinction.
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I don't really understand. You think Mexican cartels are going to attack US farms? I don't think there's a chance. Once it's legal, they are no longer competitors. It's not even the same product at that point. Even now do you see Mexican cartels hitting up grow farms in CA?
 
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nbakerld said:
I don't really understand. You think Mexican cartels are going to attack US farms? I don't think there's a chance. Once it's legal, they are no longer competitors. It's not even the same product at that point. Even now do you see Mexican cartels hitting up grow farms in CA?
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You're living in fantasy land. Cartels are killing competitors in the U.S. NOW.
 
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