Civil Unrest in France

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Orangeburst said:
Are these protestors socialists asking for more or is it a mix? If it is just asking for more, they have made their bed and I have no sympathy.
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They're asking for what was promised them. Look for this to happen in the US as places like New York, Illinois and California can't pay their obligations to the retirees.
 
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Pulled this from Wiki so not sure if totally accurate, but looks to be initiated with mostly socialist sentiments:

Yellow vests movement - Wikipedia

"The movement was initially motivated by rising fuel prices and a high cost of living; it claims that a disproportionate burden of the government's tax reforms were falling on the working and middle classes,[67][68][69] especially in rural and peri-urban areas.[32][70] The protesters have called for lower fuel taxes, a reintroduction of the solidarity tax on wealth, a minimum-wage increase, the implementation of Citizens' initiative referendums,[39] among other things. On 29 November 2018, a list of 42 demands was made public and went viral on social media, becoming de facto a structuring basis for the movement, covering a wide range of eclectic topics, mostly related to democracy, social and fiscal justice.[38][71]

The movement spans the political spectrum. According to one poll, few of those protesting had voted for Macron in the 2017 French presidential election, and many had either not voted, or had voted for far-right or far-left candidates."

Get this beauty:

France took the top spot away from Denmark in 2017 in the OECD's annual review of taxes in its 36 member countries. The French government's tax revenues were equivalent to 46.2% of its economic output

This would be equivalent to a US Fed budget of about $10 Trillion!
 
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DynaLo said:
Vive la révolution! Watching and waiting on my cousins across the pond to finally go full on revolt.
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Most Europeans are fed up with the capitalist, globalist, bankster experiment. They’re losing their countries...history and culture....jobs, pensions...way of life....to financially support immigrants, substandard ways of life....that only the elite and their paid off cronies benefit from...

Macron is a bankster...a crook...traitor to all of France..
 
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0nelilreb said:
They do have experience with that . Macron would do well to remember what usually happens when the French have had enough of their governments .
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The French people should realize you can’t have ridiculous pension benefits with an aging population and shrinking work force. Basic math.
 
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Macron should probably remember several important tidbits...

most every French male over age 40 has had mandatory military service and training
France ranks very high in civilian gun ownership with a large hunter population
Guns considered illegal in France like AK’s are believed to outnumber legal guns by almost double the amount.
 
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volfanhill said:
The French people should realize you can’t having ridiculous pension benefits with an aging population and shrinking work force. Basic math.
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I agree but when a government / country keeps going further left ... basic math matters less and less or more and more ( depends on how you look at it ) .
 
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volfanhill said:
The French people should realize you can’t have ridiculous pension benefits with an aging population and shrinking work force. Basic math.
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Why not? If they had funded the pension while the workers were working it wouldn't be a problem. It's a simple thing, worker makes x and we will owe him y when he retires, we need to contribute z dollars to make that happen. I guess when the government gets involved things go awry, but that doesn't eliminate their obligation. I took a pension when I retired versus a cash payout and the bastards better pay me every last cent I'm entitled to.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Most Europeans are fed up with the capitalist, globalist, bankster experiment. They’re losing their countries...history and culture....jobs, pensions...way of life....to financially support immigrants, substandard ways of life....that only the elite and their paid off cronies benefit from...

Macron is a bankster...a crook...traitor to all of France..
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Capitalists aren’t their problem . Capitalism fixes problems . Euro elitists, globalists , cronies , socialism , all come with huge price tags /taxes
 
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DynaLo said:
Macron should probably remember several important tidbits...

most every French male over age 40 has had mandatory military service and training
France ranks very high in civilian gun ownership with a large hunter population
Guns considered illegal in France like AK’s are believed to outnumber legal guns by almost double the amount.
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His job, spoken or not, is to divide the French...as is every other E.U. placed head of state...to embrace immigration, liberalism, inferior living standards and deflect all forms of nationalism....

He doesn’t give a **** about the “French”....especially the 40+...
 
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0nelilreb said:
Capitalists aren’t their problem . Capitalism fixes problems . Euro elitists, globalists , cronies , socialism , all come with huge price tags /taxes
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I'm hoping the bitch and the former prince realize what they just gave up and come on hard times. Be a commoner Harry and realize what it takes to feed yourself and not have servants bring you your morning coffee and paper in bed.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Capitalists aren’t their problem . Capitalism fixes problems . Euro elitists, globalists , cronies , socialism , all come with huge price tags /taxes
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It’s all the same...many words can fit there...

People are tired of paying for all of it...while losing their standard of living....
 
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VolStrom said:
I'm hoping the bitch and the former prince realize what they just gave up and come on hard times. Be a commoner Harry and realize what it takes to feed yourself and not have servants bring you your morning coffee and paper in bed.
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Princess Di’s estate gave them enough to still have a gardener, pool boy , and two nanny’s .
 
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0nelilreb said:
Standards of living are brought up by capitalism not socialism . Not the same at all .
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What do you mean? Isn’t this what you all were saying about Venezuela....just socialists wanting more?!

So...anybody protesting their government, now is a socialists?! Lol.
 
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Pacer92 said:
It’s all the same...many words can fit there...

People are tired of paying for all of it...while losing their standard of living....
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What exactly do you pay for? I'm sick to death of hearing people say that the middle class are suffering, the middle class pay for everything. I'm a middle class man and I live pretty well, probably better than 99% of the rest of the world. There is no place on earth that I've traveled to that has been better than where I live and the wealthiest place beyond the US has been Europe. Go live in Africa, Asia, South America, Russia and even Europe and tell me how bad things are here.
 
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Pacer92 said:
What do you mean? Isn’t this what you all were saying about Venezuela....just socialists wanting more?!

So...anybody protesting their government, now is a socialists?! Lol.
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Wow what a stretch . you should probably check your shoulder , make sure you didn’t dislocate it with that stretch . That’s not even close to what I said . Historically ( in every country ) the closer you get to pure socialism , the worse the country becomes . Capitalism brings people out of poverty , creates a higher standard of living .
 
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VolStrom said:
What exactly do you pay for? I'm sick to death of hearing people say that the middle class are suffering, the middle class pay for everything. I'm a middle class man and I live pretty well, probably better than 99% of the rest of the world. There is no place on earth that I've traveled to that has been better than where I live and the wealthiest place beyond the US has been Europe. Go live in Africa, Asia, South America, Russia and even Europe and tell me how bad things are here.
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Did you live in all those places to make this comparison?!

We have it pretty good...compared to where?!

We have it good...if you consider we have a pizza delivery...even grocery delivery now...paying tens of thousands of dollars to get our kids “educated”...sending our kids off to kill or be killed for oil and petroleum....so we can have gas at $4 a gallon?!

I’m middle class too...but, how do we have it better than everyone else?!
 
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0nelilreb said:
Wow what a stretch . you should probably check your shoulder , make sure you didn’t dislocate it with that stretch . That’s not even close to what I said . Historically ( in every country ) the closer you get to pure socialism , the worse the country becomes . Capitalism brings people out of poverty , creates a higher standard of living .
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How do you define this socialism? Do you live in France?

So, protesting your government...is socialism?! Wanting more than what they deserve?!

Or do you pick and choose which protestors represent what?!
 
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Pacer92 said:
Did you live in all those places to make this comparison?!

We have it pretty good...compared to where?!

We have it good...if you consider we have a pizza delivery...even grocery delivery now...paying tens of thousands of dollars to get our kids “educated”...sending our kids off to kill or be killed for oil and petroleum....so we can have gas at $4 a gallon?!

I’m middle class too...but, how do we have it better than everyone else?!
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See how people live in the rest of the world and you just might understand how well we have it. I'm guessing you've never traveled outside of the US?
 
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