CJ Watson

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crusse10 said:
Here's another question, do you think if CJ was a year younger that we'd have made the Final 4 in 07? I think if CJ was there playing the point instead of Ramar, we could have closed out the Ohio State game for sure, and we'd have still finished off Memphis.
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You never know about team dynamics but if I had to pick a team of UT players Watson>>>>>>>>>>>>Ramar Smith. I think that team would have made the final 4 if Watson had 1 more year OR if Wingate could have laid off the weed.
 
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zansdad said:
Ramar was more a PG than a SG. He couldn't shoot anymore than he could pass.
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Oh, I agree that he wasn't a good shooter.
It doesn't change the fact that, as a point guard (with Chris Lofton and JaJuan Smith on his team) he averaged 3.09 assists per game while taking 8.37 shots per game.
 
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crusse10 said:
Oh, I agree that he wasn't a good shooter.
It doesn't change the fact that, as a point guard (with Chris Lofton and JaJuan Smith on his team) he averaged 3.09 assists per game while taking 8.37 shots per game.
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So it's not that he wasn't a "true PG" he was just a bad PG. but he would have been a bad SG as well. Noone realized it till It was too late because everyone around him was so good.
 
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tennesseeFANatic said:
Gotta give some love to CJ. They put D Rose on the bench at the end of the game while down by 3 so they could play CJ. He subsequently hit a 3 to tie the game and then dominated the overtime session. Representing the VOLS well.
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he was all over the paper today...he's playing well
 
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zansdad said:
So it's not that he wasn't a "true PG" he was just a bad PG. but he would have been a bad SG as well. Noone realized it till It was too late because everyone around him was so good.
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Find one recruiting site that listed Ramar as a PG coming out of high school. Pearl recruited a SG and tried to get him running the point.
 
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crusse10 said:
Find one recruiting site that listed Ramar as a PG coming out of high school. Pearl recruited a SG and tried to get him running the point.
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No Pearl recruited a scorer and tried to make him a PG. Had Ramar played SG his career wouldn't have been much different. He could shoot. All he could do was penetrate and draw contact.

I'm not sure what point your trying to make. My original point was simply that the term "true PG" is over used and has no real meaning.
 
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zansdad said:
No Pearl recruited a scorer and tried to make him a PG. Had Ramar played SG his career wouldn't have been much different. He could shoot. All he could do was penetrate and draw contact.

I'm not sure what point your trying to make. My original point was simply that the term "true PG" is over used and has no real meaning.
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I disagree. The point of a Point Guard is that he is the facilitator of the offense. When you have someone running the Point who, instead of making his teammates better, forces his teammates to watch as he tries to do everything himself, then I don't consider him a true point guard.
I don't consider Derrick Rose a true PG. He's great at was he does, but I would rather have him be able to dominate when he can while having a John Stockton actually organizing the offense.
 
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Id disagree 100% about d rose ^

IMO he's absolutely a true PG, just because he can score shouldn't change that.

The guy averages 8 assists and a 2.5 a:to, those are impressive PG numbers no matter who you are. Just because He also averages 20+ doesn't change the fact he averages almost double digit assists. D Rose definitely facilitates and makes everyone around him better.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Id disagree 100% about d rose ^

IMO he's absolutely a true PG, just because he can score shouldn't change that.

The guy averages 8 assists and a 2.5 a:to, those are impressive PG numbers no matter who you are. Just because He also averages 20+ doesn't change the fact he averages almost double digit assists. D Rose definitely facilitates and makes everyone around him better.
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Good call. I haven't watched him much in the NBA, I generally will only watch if it's the Grizz or the Suns. I thought he had a lower assist number, though.
 
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crusse10 said:
Good call. I haven't watched him much in the NBA, I generally will only watch if it's the Grizz or the Suns. I thought he had a lower assist number, though.
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That's why, atleast IMO, he's the best pg by far in the NBA.

Hell give you true PG assist numbers, a:to, and steals but will also give you elite scorer numbers as well.

He's an incredible player, and to be honest I'm not really a fan of his I just respect his game. Incredible talent.
 
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crusse10 said:
I disagree. The point of a Point Guard is that he is the facilitator of the offense. When you have someone running the Point who, instead of making his teammates better, forces his teammates to watch as he tries to do everything himself, then I don't consider him a true point guard.
I don't consider Derrick Rose a true PG. He's great at was he does, but I would rather have him be able to dominate when he can while having a John Stockton actually organizing the offense.
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Then we will disagree. I think a PG does what it takes to win, sometimes that means shooting instead of passing.
 
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zansdad said:
Then we will disagree. I think a PG does what it takes to win, sometimes that means shooting instead of passing.
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Everyone "does what it takes to win".
In my opinion, the role of a point guard is to get the ball in the hands of the correct person on every play.
Does that mean that he should never shoot? Of course not.
It does, however, mean that you shouldn't dribble the clock down to 8, then take 3 steps and put up a shot every time down the court.
 
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D Rose is a incredibly underrated passer. His passing ability is overlooked simply bc of his incredible scoring ability.
 
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crusse10 said:
Good call. I haven't watched him much in the NBA, I generally will only watch if it's the Grizz or the Suns. I thought he had a lower assist number, though.
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Lol did you see him do this to Dragic last year when the Bulls played the Suns?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaW5F9Tw7wk[/youtube]
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
Lol did you see him do this to Dragic last year when the Bulls played the Suns?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaW5F9Tw7wk[/youtube]
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Nice, but that has nothing on
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uRN7iJ5CqQ[/YOUTUBE]
 
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crusse10 said:
Everyone "does what it takes to win".
In my opinion, the role of a point guard is to get the ball in the hands of the correct person on every play.
Does that mean that he should never shoot? Of course not.
It does, however, mean that you shouldn't dribble the clock down to 8, then take 3 steps and put up a shot every time down the court.
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I'm not saying that either. I am saying there is no such thing as a "true PG". That's it. That's the end of my argument. nothing more, nothing less. is there a "true SG". OR perhaps a "true PF"? No there isn't. PG is just a PG. Tony White was one of the greatest players to go through the University of Tennessee. He happened to play PG. He never had more than 2.5apg in 4 years at UT, but he won two conference scoring titles, scored 51 points in a game, and won SEC player of the year once. Dude could flat out play. Great PG, but by some people definition not a "true" PG.
 
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zansdad said:
I'm not saying that either. I am saying there is no such thing as a "true PG". That's it. That's the end of my argument. nothing more, nothing less. is there a "true SG". OR perhaps a "true PF"? No there isn't. PG is just a PG. Tony White was one of the greatest players to go through the University of Tennessee. He happened to play PG. He never had more than 2.5apg in 4 years at UT, but he won two conference scoring titles, scored 51 points in a game, and won SEC player of the year once. Dude could flat out play. Great PG, but by some people definition not a "true" PG.
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Would you prefer the offense run through him and he determines every time whether anyone else on the team contributes, or would you rather someone lead the team as a floor general and allow the plays and other players to open shots for your best shooter?
 
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crusse10 said:
Would you prefer the offense run through him and he determines every time whether anyone else on the team contributes, or would you rather someone lead the team as a floor general and allow the plays and other players to open shots for your best shooter?
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I would prefer that the guy that gives me the best opportunity to win is on the floor.

Boston puts Rondo on the floor and he distributes. Chicago puts Rose on the floor and he scores. Just for a second lets pretend you have to start an NBA franchise tomorrow and you can have one or the other. I can tell you that almost every GM in the NBA will take Rose. But you're telling me you take Rondo? That's fine if that's your opinion, just don't give me grief for agreeing with the people that make millions to make these decisions for a living.
 
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crusse10 said:
Would you prefer the offense run through him and he determines every time whether anyone else on the team contributes, or would you rather someone lead the team as a floor general and allow the plays and other players to open shots for your best shooter?
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And to answer your question, I would be just fine with anything Tony White decided to do with the ball.
 
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zansdad said:
I would prefer that the guy that gives me the best opportunity to win is on the floor.

Boston puts Rondo on the floor and he distributes. Chicago puts Rose on the floor and he scores. Just for a second lets pretend you have to start an NBA franchise tomorrow and you can have one or the other. I can tell you that almost every GM in the NBA will take Rose. But you're telling me you take Rondo? That's fine if that's your opinion, just don't give me grief for agreeing with the people that make millions to make these decisions for a living.
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I would rather have Rose at the 2. Sorry.
And because of shooting ability, I'd take Chris Paul over Rondo. They can both distribute, but I'd take the ability to shoot over the ability to rebound.
 
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crusse10 said:
I would rather have Rose at the 2. Sorry.
And because of shooting ability, I'd take Chris Paul over Rondo. They can both distribute, but I'd take the ability to shoot over the ability to rebound.
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Sorry, you broke the rules, you can have either Rondo or Rose to be your PG. Not SG or Chris Paul or any other PG in the league. Just Rose or Rondo. Who do you take? The true PG or the one that is the league MVP?

Edit: you know what, fine. you want Rose or Paul? I still think most people take Rose to be their PG.
 
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zansdad said:
Sorry, you broke the rules, you can have either Rondo or Rose to be your PG. Not SG or Chris Paul or any other PG in the league. Just Rose or Rondo. Who do you take? The true PG or the one that is the league MVP?

Edit: you know what, fine. you want Rose or Paul? I still think most people take Rose to be their PG.
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For this past year I'd take Paul, Rondo, or Nash over Rose. His slashing for such a small frame gets him hurt all the time.
 
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