Clarification: Tennessee is NOT competitive in the SEC

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Perhaps the better question is whether we ever will be competitive consistently against the likes of Georgia and Alabama? While adding Texas and Oklahoma, the SEC may become even more of a "have's" vs "have-nots". Texas and Oklahoma are going to have to prove they can deal with the grind of the week after week SEC slate vs what they have become accustomed to in the Big 12. I'm not sure either can despite the resources they have at their disposal, but their arrival will undoubtedly change the league and will expose Texas recruits to more SEC accessibility. Post expansion:

Georgia and Alabama remain the gold standard in the league. Bama will have the pick of the litter whenever Saban retires.
LSU really should be next in line given their advantages to elite athletes in the bayou and ready access to Texas, and nationwide exposure.
Texas A&M, Texas and Oklahoma....all have potential to compete at top level but A&M has already proved they can't consistently and expect the same will happen with the Longhorns and Sooners. Texas has immense resources so I could be wrong on them.
Tennessee, Auburn, Florida ...all have potential as well, with Florida having highest ceiling as their issues of late have primarily been head coaching. Auburn historically is a dysfunctional program with peaks and valleys. Tennessee has to recruit at a much higher level to compete with best and has to have elite level QB play in Heupel's offense or we are middle of the pack. UT will never have the # of elite athletes as those above us so coaching chops really matter.
Missouri may sneakily benefit from Texas/Oklahoma entry than one may think. Historically when they were in the Big 12 that grabbed their share of Texas athletes. UT has split our series with Missouri thus far so we can't discount them.
Arkansas could benefit more from Texas/Oklahoma entry into the league, but doubt they can consistently escape being a mid-tier team.
Ole Miss - I bet Kiffin wants out in a hurry as he will never compete with the best in the SEC. Once Kiffin leaves I think they are toast and will slide backwards.
Kentucky - same with Stoops. He has done the best he can with the Wildcats. Will never be a contender. I expect Kentucky will slide backwards post league expansion.
South Carolina - historically average to below average program and the dial will not move in the years to come. If they don't replace Beamer soon will continue to slide backwards.
Mississippi State - they are in trouble in my opinion. Mike Leach made them interesting. That is no longer the case.
Vanderbilt - life is going to be much more difficult as a Commodore fan and they already live at the bottom.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I'll bit - who is the Saban or Kirby you would hire? Any coach that has been mentioned through out the years has gone elsewhere and ended up being fired.
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The CFB world needs to stop looking to the sure fire names and trying to poach as if they’re the only ones who can win. Saban was an unknown when LSU hired him but he could coach, and the LSU resources allowed him to show that and Bama’s resources put him on a whole other level. A Leipold is one that I believe would absolutely wreck it at a program with massive resources, DeBoer as well. AM boards are thumbing their noses up at the thought of hiring Jeff Traylor from UTSA. He’s on pace to potentially win 10+ games for the 3rd consecutive year and has the opportunity to win his 3rd straight conference title. He’s coached HS ball in TX, held multiple positional roles (well-rounded) at B12, SEC and G5 schools and likely understands, appreciates and respects the AM culture/tradition yet he’s not good enough for them because he’s not a sitting HC at a school who currently has more success than them. Perhaps, Traylor is EXACTLY what AM needs.

Pearl was our example in b-ball. If you consistently win at any level, it’s all relative. You’re playing weaker competition but you yourself have weaker talent. As you step up, so does your talent level. Look at DeBoer from NAIA to P5, the man is 101-11. At some point that can’t be ignored. IMO you look towards people like that. Not the name who’s already comfortable or the flash in the pan name at the time.
 
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This will probably be the last year we see a SEC team go undefeated in the regular season - for the supposedly pre-ordained top 4 (lol) - each of these play 2 of the other pre-ordained top 4 along. I would not be surprised to see the top SEC team with at least 2 losses coming out of the regular season next year.

- Alabama plays UGA, at Oklahoma, at LSU and at Tennessee.
- UGA plays as Bama, at Texas, at Ole Miss and has Tennessee and Auburn at home.
- Oklahoma play Bama, Tennessee at home, Texas as a neutral site and LSU, Ole Miss and Auburn on the road
- Texas probably has the best schedule, they get UGA at home, the neutral site for the OU game is in Texas, Texas A&M is sinking

Ole Miss and LSU and Texas A&M and Arkansas have very favorable schedules next year. A&M only plays 1 of the above 4 teams and it is a home game. Arkansas also only plays 1 of the 4 teams and it is a home game for them.
 
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Fans still tune in to watch college games just for the once in a while upset like the Tn win over Bama last year. Parity comes to teams in the form of the portal where the 2nd tiered teams hope to pick up some transfers that can make magic ( like Hooker).
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
I’m not real sure what you’re trying to say. Personally I’m jealous of those programs. They did what it took to get where they are. Bama brought saban in and made him the highest paid coach at the time. Ga fired richt who was winning 8-10 a year but they wanted more. Now look where both teams are. They did what it took whether it was popular or not. Tn has shown they won’t do what it takes. Mediocrity is where we will stay.
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Believe me. There are lots on here who are happy with mediocrity. They like to says things like” it’s not mediocre to be better than the last 2 coaches, if you think 8-4 is mediocre then you just have a “ low football IQ”. For me I say if you are happy with and accept being 8-4 and getting blown out in sec games, don’t your dumbass every refer to someone as a low football IQ fan
 
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I didn’t watch the heupel show today, because I choose not to see that crap again. Would love to know, was he just predisposed to losing or did he really think at some point during the game joe was going to finally “ get it” and miraculously lead us to victory. Not really sure which I consider worse
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
Our program had every opportunity to hire a saban or Kirby. We didn’t. Now we are where we are. That’s on the admin. While I see your point, teams shouldn’t be punished for building what everyone wants to build. If TN was in domination right now your post would look a bit different.
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Remind us of this opportunity that to" here a Saban or Kirby." Also, when was this? Still under Fulmer? Or under Danny White? Then the name of the coach(s) we could have (really) had. Hmmm
 
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Butch s said:
I didn’t watch the heupel show today, because I choose not to see that crap again. Would love to know, was he just predisposed to losing or did he really think at some point during the game joe was going to finally “ get it” and miraculously lead us to victory. Not really sure which I consider worse
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Their plan all along was to redshirt Nico. They couldn't play him yesterday and against Vandy and still redshirt him. Their hope all season was keeping Milton upright and not have to play Nico. It worked.
 
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Tnphil said:
Their plan all along was to redshirt Nico. They couldn't play him yesterday and against Vandy and still redshirt him. Their hope all season was keeping Milton upright and not have to play Nico. It worked.
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If he is worth all the hype, does anyone believe he is going to ever be a redshirt senior. Very weak argument
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
I dont by get paid millions to run an AD. That’s not for me to decide. I don’t know that we’ve made a “good” coaching hire since dumping fulmer. Jury is still out on Heup depending on who you ask. Possibly kiffin but that still went south. Point is they had many opportunities to spend big money and bring in a big time coach. After the 3-4 awful hires no big time coach was interested given the dumpster fire. Our university wasn’t willing to make the move that others were. Mostly when it comes to money. These issues didn’t just fall in our lap. They were created and multiplied by the admin continually trying to find the next great bargain bin coach.
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Who are these other big time hires(don’t include Satan or Kirby) that you would have backed the brinks truck up to, that they would have been consistently successful especially in the SEC. I don‘t know of any other that would have been consistently successful in SEC but Satan and Kirby.

I am really curious for someone to step up and name who should get the brinks truck to replace CJH other than Satan and Kirby.

The problem is we see other coaches in the cupcake leagues catch lighting in a bottle then come to SEC and struggle.

Georgia was also out wondering in the wilderness decades before Kirby and Kirby came in with a great roster and no NCAA in his shorts for two years.

People need to remember that even though defense is not where we want, they still held UGA to less points than Bama last year. Had the offense did its job last night we would have been in that game. Too many short offensive series. 17-30 is crazy. There were open receivers all over field(I was there and could see whole field) and Joe either didn’t look at them or throw it accurately. Take that 17-30 to 30-40 it would have been much different game.

So who gets your brinks truck To be your next coach, Mr Interim AD?
 
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Tnphil said:
Their plan all along was to redshirt Nico. They couldn't play him yesterday and against Vandy and still redshirt him. Their hope all season was keeping Milton upright and not have to play Nico. It worked.
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I feel differently. I think they didn’t plan to redshirt until he got hurt.

He was out of practice and couldn’t play during the stretch where you would have gotten him that experience. I truly believe he was hurt as my son is 90% sure he saw him walking across campus with soft brace on.

I believe they were going to try to get him in 6-7 games for sure but Joe struggled and Nico wasn’t able to practice/play and then it became no reason to burn his redshirt just to play in one extra terrible loss game.
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
I feel differently. I think they didn’t plan to redshirt until he got hurt.

He was out of practice and couldn’t play during the stretch where you would have gotten him that experience. I truly believe he was hurt as my son is 90% sure he saw him walking across campus with soft brace on.

I believe they were going to try to get him in 6-7 games for sure but Joe struggled and Nico wasn’t able to practice/play and then it became no reason to burn his redshirt just to play in one extra terrible loss game.
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Burn his redshirt, hahahaha
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
Who are these other big time hires(don’t include Satan or Kirby) that you would have backed the brinks truck up to, that they would have been consistently successful especially in the SEC. I don‘t know of any other that would have been consistently successful in SEC but Satan and Kirby.

I am really curious for someone to step up and name who should get the brinks truck to replace CJH other than Satan and Kirby.

The problem is we see other coaches in the cupcake leagues catch lighting in a bottle then come to SEC and struggle.

Georgia was also out wondering in the wilderness decades before Kirby and Kirby came in with a great roster and no NCAA in his shorts for two years.

People need to remember that even though defense is not where we want, they still held UGA to less points than Bama last year. Had the offense did its job last night we would have been in that game. Too many short offensive series. 17-30 is crazy. There were open receivers all over field(I was there and could see whole field) and Joe either didn’t look at them or throw it accurately. Take that 17-30 to 30-40 it would have been much different game.

So who gets your brinks truck To be your next coach, Mr Interim AD?
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Like many other posters making up nonsense to fit your agenda. As stated in my original post I’m talking pre dumpster fire when big names would’ve considered us.
 
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Tnphil said:
Their plan all along was to redshirt Nico. They couldn't play him yesterday and against Vandy and still redshirt him. Their hope all season was keeping Milton upright and not have to play Nico. It worked.
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Did they hope to get embarrassed in the process on numerous occasions as well, or did they ever consider doing whatever it takes to win
 
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Vol4gzus said:
Remind us of this opportunity that to" here a Saban or Kirby." Also, when was this? Still under Fulmer? Or under Danny White? Then the name of the coach(s) we could have (really) had. Hmmm
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Well I guess you’re just exactly right. After fulmer the best out admin could’ve done was Dooley, butch, Pruitt and the likes. So many of you enjoy mediocrity for a once great football school and it’s sad.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
Well I guess you’re just exactly right. After fulmer the best out admin could’ve done was Dooley, butch, Pruitt and the likes. So many of you enjoy mediocrity for a once great football school and it’s sad.
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It is sad but true
 
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volfan102455 said:
I would love nothing better than the following to happen:

- Auburn upsets Bama
- Bama destroys UGA in the championships game
- OSU wins out (sorry can't support Michigan as I do think they messed with both an SEC and ACC team last year to keep the path for them to be in the playoffs)
- Washington or Oregon wins out - Washington would be a lock, Oregon if they win out would have overcome their one loss.
- Florida State wins out.
- Texas wins out.

That would undoubtedly put OSU, Washington / Oregon, Florida State and Texas in the CFP and I would be very happy to see Bama and UGA sitting it out.

Texas beat Bama AT BAMA and Bama beat UGA ==> a one loss Texas > a one loss UGA.

Edited to add - even if Bama beats Auburn. You don't leave out the 3 undefeated teams and well Texas beat BAMA at BAMA.
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florida state won’t win out, bama or uga will be in 100%
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
Well I guess you’re just exactly right. After fulmer the best out admin could’ve done was Dooley, butch, Pruitt and the likes. So many of you enjoy mediocrity for a once great football school and it’s sad.
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You didn't mention the coach(s) we could get on Saban and Kirby level. I didn't say I will accept mediocrity. You assume alot. Tell us who you know we could have gotten after many saw how Fulmer was treated. Hmmmm
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
Our program had every opportunity to hire a saban or Kirby. We didn’t. Now we are where we are. That’s on the admin. While I see your point, teams shouldn’t be punished for building what everyone wants to build. If TN was in domination right now your post would look a bit different.
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Kirby only wanted one HC job. And it's the one he took. He would have stayed DC for Saban forever until UGA came calling
 
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Vol4gzus said:
You didn't mention the coach(s) we could get on Saban and Kirby level. I didn't say I will accept mediocrity. You assume alot. Tell us who you know we could have gotten after many saw how Fulmer was treated. Hmmmm
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If you can honestly say you believe the best that the university of Tn could get post fulmer before the dumpster fire is Dooley, butch, Pruitt then I’m not real sure how you figured out to click buttons and create an account here. Not sure of your age but you may not know we were once a consistent football great. You may also want to look up where we rank on resources and money for football. It’s all there. A saban or Kirby? Maybe not. But we were never willing to throw the money at someone to find out what they could do here. If we would’ve gotten a mid mid-high level coach then-hard telling what the program could be now. Worse?better? Who knows. We always shopped bottom shelf. I’m not really sure how you’re arguing that.
 
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Butch s said:
Did they hope to get embarrassed in the process on numerous occasions as well, or did they ever consider doing whatever it takes to win
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You will have to ask Heupel that question...While you're at it ask him why we are so undisciplined and fail to make in-game or halftime adjustments.
 
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volfanhill said:
Kirby only wanted one HC job. And it's the one he took. He would have stayed DC for Saban forever until UGA came calling
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More people making up what they want to fit their agenda. When I say “could’ve chased a saban or Kirby, it doesn’t mean the literal name. It means a high level coach instead of sifting through dooleys, Pruitt’s, and butch
 
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Butch s said:
If he is worth all the hype, does anyone believe he is going to ever be a redshirt senior. Very weak argument
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Do you know for a fact that 4 years isn't in his NIL contract? His parents are big on academics...do you know for a fact they didn't want him redshirted at all possible his true freshman year? Much like Dobbs parents wanted him to be redshirted until a injury threw him into action.
 
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EastTNVol6240 said:
If you can honestly say you believe the best that the university of Tn could get post fulmer before the dumpster fire is Dooley, butch, Pruitt then I’m not real sure how you figured out to click buttons and create an account here. Not sure of your age but you may not know we were once a consistent football great. You may also want to look up where we rank on resources and money for football. It’s all there. A saban or Kirby? Maybe not. But we were never willing to throw the money at someone to find out what they could do here. If we would’ve gotten a mid mid-high level coach then-hard telling what the program could be now. Worse?better? Who knows. We always shopped bottom shelf. I’m not really sure how you’re arguing that.
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Let me see which button to push...oh my...nice slap in the face on key punching and setting up an account. You still make the assumption that I'm ok with the same coaches you keep running out there from the post Fulmer days. Still can't name a coach who would come here after they saw the treatment Fulmer received. My age doesn't matter because regardless I can read facts etc. But for the record was in stadium as a young adult when Vols beat Bo Jackson and aubbie. Was at game when Larry Seivers caught td to beat Clem and his son. You may now return to your throne of judgement .
 
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