CNN Poll: Big Gains For Obama In Battlegrounds

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615 Vol said:
Wait, I thought the current President didn't have as much of an impact on the economy? I thought it took years down the road to see their impact? So which is it?
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the best thing the president did was cut taxes. we had growth ever year since 9/11. the whole houses crisis was becuase your lib/dem boys pressured banks and loan companies to give people loans who could not qualify, all in the name of socialism. and just like everything else the gov meddled in, it failed miserably.
 
#77
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615 Vol said:
And Democrats are elitist?
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I can see how that post can be seen as condescending, however I think what he was trying to point out was that democrats have been claiming to advocate for minorities and the "poor" in America for some time now. In that time they claim to be looking out for them but in reality they are "in the pocket" of big business just as republicans are and throw the poor man a bone every once in a while to keep him happy.

In the end democrats are not looking out for the "little man" any more than republicans are. They are both after the same thing which is money and power and only use the "little man" to get that power, after that they need the money people to be powerful and forget that "little man" that got them there (until election time). Bad thing is we fall for it every time.

You know every dime a politician gets as a campaign contribution or otherwise needs to be put up on a website for all to see. Trust me, we would all be surprised.
 
#78
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MG1968 said:
one word, "ACORN"

I don't think America is ready for a President with close, personal ties to an organization that is as corrupt as ACORN.
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Obama can personally think Hillary Clinton for the remainder of this election. Seems that the tough primary might come back to help him whereas I thought it would have hurt him in this general election. Now, it has allowed him to register a several hundred thousand new voters and everything is on the table. People have a way of getting desensitized to information and these stories have been told since the primaries. People that buy into this stuff have already made up their mind. Do you believe someone is going to see a one minute commercial ad about Obama's character and say "gee, I didn't know that"? There is a small group left that is undecided and they're more concerned with issues than character.
 
#79
#79
615 Vol said:
Obama can personally think Hillary Clinton for the remainder of this election. Seems that the tough primary might come back to help him whereas I thought it would have hurt him in this general election. Now, it has allowed him to register a several hundred thousand new voters and everything is on the table. People have a way of getting desensitized to information and these stories have been told since the primaries. People that buy into this stuff have already made up their mind. Do you believe someone is going to see a one minute commercial ad about Obama's character and say "gee, I didn't know that"? There is a small group left that is undecided and they're more concerned with issues than character.
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your right a minute ad will not do it. the fact is that obama has been helped so much by the press. this guy has been running for almost 2 years and the majority of press has been fluff pieces. any type of negative press has been swept under the table. it's not that obama has been battle tested it's the fact that he knows that he has the media in his back pocket and he knows they'll do anything to help him get elected.

Palin was chosen and in 2 weeks the press was reporting everything about her. they reported every rumor as it was fact.
 
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joevol320 said:
the best thing the president did was cut taxes. we had growth ever year since 9/11. the whole houses crisis was becuase your lib/dem boys pressured banks and loan companies to give people loans who could not qualify, all in the name of socialism. and just like everything else the gov meddled in, it failed miserably.
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Lets forget about the deregulation and blame the Dems for the housing crisis. :ermm: I hope you defend Clinton's economy next time someone says it was a result of Reagan. It's funny how when the Dems have positive numbers it must be linked to the past, the last Republican must have been responsible. When a republican is in office then the story becomes about the present. It must be the current President. For the record, you must be in a very small minority of people that actually defends Bush on economics.
 
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joevol320 said:
your right a minute ad will not do it. the fact is that obama has been helped so much by the press. this guy has been running for almost 2 years and the majority of press has been fluff pieces. any type of negative press has been swept under the table. it's not that obama has been battle tested it's the fact that he knows that he has the media in his back pocket and he knows they'll do anything to help him get elected.

Palin was chosen and in 2 weeks the press was reporting everything about her. they reported every rumor as it was fact.
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They've been real hard on Palin. She has a pathetic debate and the press is telling us how good she did. I guess only SNL saw the debate for what it was. The NY Times are such an Obama rag that they are bringing out the very character stories that McCain is trying to push.
 
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615 Vol said:
Lets forget about the deregulation and blame the Dems for the housing crisis. :ermm: I hope you defend Clinton's economy next time someone says it was a result of Reagan. It's funny how when the Dems have positive numbers it must be linked to the past, the last Republican must have been responsible. When a republican is in office then the story becomes about the present. It must be the current President. For the record, you must be in a very small minority of people that actually defends Bush on economics.
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how did deregulation cause this? please explain. everyone says this but they never explain how it actually caused it. if i remember freddy and fannie had regulator testify in 2004 that there was a problem and the democrats basically caused them idiots.

you need to explain how deregulation caused this.
 
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615 Vol said:
Lets forget about the deregulation and blame the Dems for the housing crisis. :ermm: I hope you defend Clinton's economy next time someone says it was a result of Reagan. It's funny how when the Dems have positive numbers it must be linked to the past, the last Republican must have been responsible. When a republican is in office then the story becomes about the present. It must be the current President. For the record, you must be in a very small minority of people that actually defends Bush on economics.
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you cannot argue with facts. in clintons admin last year, we had more than 2 quarters of negative growth,(which is considered a recession) then 9/11 happened and that caused everything to tank. when bush's tax cut went into effect, it spurred investments and caused growth. there is no denying these facts.
 
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joevol320 said:
how did deregulation cause this? please explain. everyone says this but they never explain how it actually caused it. if i remember freddy and fannie had regulator testify in 2004 that there was a problem and the democrats basically caused them idiots.

you need to explain how deregulation caused this.
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By pushing loans no matter what. It was about getting the loans out the door. Putting people in homes they could not afford because there was not regulation to stop them from doing it.
 
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#85
i thought the repub's were trying to put in more regulations back in '04, but the dem's acted like complete idiots on the tape that i saw, well i take that back, one of them acted like a complete fool, the rest just denied the fact that anything was wrong.
 
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joevol320 said:
you cannot argue with facts. in clintons admin last year, we had more than 2 quarters of negative growth,(which is considered a recession) then 9/11 happened and that caused everything to tank. when bush's tax cut went into effect, it spurred investments and caused growth. there is no denying these facts.
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What happened to Clinton's surplus since you are willing to give credit to the current administrations for their success/failure? You would have a tough sale trying to convince many people that the economy was better under Bush than Clinton.
 
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615 Vol said:
What happened to Clinton's surplus since you are willing to give credit to the current administrations for their success/failure? You would have a tough sale trying to convince many people that the economy was better under Bush than Clinton.
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the supplus was a projected surplus, it was never in the bank and the internet bust erased a lot of that. i do give credit or clinton signing the tax cut bill the republican congress and senate sent to him. i believed they also balanced the budget then. that was big in causing the projected surplus. remember, clinton raised taxes on the middle class before the republs took office.

i agree, you couldn't convince people. the media has been reporting how bad the economy has been for 8 years, even though we've had positive growth every quarter since he passed the tax cuts. unemployement was the lowest since it's ever been. interest rates were lower than in the clinton admin.
 
#88
#88
Nice discussion, I actually have to do some work before I get labeled with the lazy liberal tag. Hey, atleast I made it to work. :)
 
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joevol320 said:
if you think obama will be a better president than bush, you trully need to pull your head out of your butt. over the past 8 years our economy was better than that of the clinton admin. we had less employement and the housing interest rate was 2-3 percent lower than that of the clinton admin. that's despite the recent downturn in the economy. thanks to your democratic bretheren and their freddie and fanny friends.
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You are confused...but I understand...all of the talk from the dems about how obama is running against bush II has you thinking obama was running against bush in 2000.

I just had to single that portion out because it reminds me so much of how I felt about Bush. I couldn't stand the man...I tolerate him at this point....
 
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