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Anyone who says Vandy is better athletically, lease enlighten on how vandy is better athletically than UT? You beat UT in our worst year in program history and Vandy's best year almost 100 years. It was bound to happen...especially with a team that had lost respect for Dooley. Tennessee beats Vandy at least once in basketball every year...men's or women's...and lead you in the series by miles in both programs. Sure you have a good baseball program, but yet you've made 1 college world series compared to our 5? Maybe vandy should grow some balls and be like every other sec school and get a softball program and face ours? Seriously, anyone who says vandy is better athletically should be punched in the face. I realize UT hasn't been the best athletic school lately, but we will get back. As far as academics are concerned, Vandy may be a great academic institution, however, like one poster said earlier, there are a lot better academic institutions out there with even greater athletics. A person who graduates from UT, isn't a worthless vandy reject...which is what every vandy fan calls a UT graduate. This is also why I have zero respect for Vandy. That prick of a fanbase deserves to see their team lose every game they play. In any sport. I realize UT has bad fans, but the fact that they think they're the best at everything and think no one can touch their academics is so laughable. Ok I guess I should end my rant. I hate vandy and that's that.
 
Wow, and Vanderbilt has a stellar baseball team!

UT's stride towards better academics has them ranked #101 overall on USNWR. Vanderbilt is ranked #17.

If you think that Vanderbilt's athletic department or football program is #101 overall, you're absolutely delusional.

Face it; James Franklin brought up a legitimate point in his trash talking... which, of course, makes it good trash talking.

You do realize there are 120-ish BCS football programs but way more than 120-ish academic institutions, yes?
 
Anyone who says Vandy is better athletically, lease enlighten on how vandy is better athletically than UT? You beat UT in our worst year in program history and Vandy's best year almost 100 years. It was bound to happen...especially with a team that had lost respect for Dooley. Tennessee beats Vandy at least once in basketball every year...men's or women's...and lead you in the series by miles in both programs. Sure you have a good baseball program, but yet you've made 1 college world series compared to our 5? Maybe vandy should grow some balls and be like every other sec school and get a softball program and face ours? Seriously, anyone who says vandy is better athletically should be punched in the face. I realize UT hasn't been the best athletic school lately, but we will get back. As far as academics are concerned, Vandy may be a great academic institution, however, like one poster said earlier, there are a lot better academic institutions out there with even greater athletics. A person who graduates from UT, isn't a worthless vandy reject...which is what every vandy fan calls a UT graduate. This is also why I have zero respect for Vandy. That prick of a fanbase deserves to see their team lose every game they play. In any sport. I realize UT has bad fans, but the fact that they think they're the best at everything and think no one can touch their academics is so laughable. Ok I guess I should end my rant. I hate vandy and that's that.

Dont hold back---tell us how you really feel. LOL :p I couldnt agree more.GBO
 
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It's the best school academically in the SEC by a rather large margin and, additionally, has shown dedication to improve its athletic department over the past five or so years.

"Best school academically"? Depends on what program you're talking about. Vandy has a good engineering and pre-med program, but after that Vandy is pretty average. And I guarantee you that few to none of the VU's football are majoring in those programs.
 
You do realize there are 120-ish BCS football programs but way more than 120-ish academic institutions, yes?

Many high ranked institutions don't have very well developed athletic programs, especially not on the level of BCS programs too. 101st is fairly decent for a public university.
 
The problem comes in when he mentions athletics. I would agree that Vandy is tops in the SEC in academics. But saying no one can offer what they do as far as athletics is a joke. We are not talking about overall AD here, he is a football coach so he is talking about football. Every school in the SEC has more to offer from a football standpoint except Kentucky and maybe Mizzou. Sure they beat some SEC teams last year but 2 of those were during the schools worst season in years (Auburn and TN). I am not looking it up but I bet there aren't many if any teams in the SEC that Vandy has a winning record against.
 
You do realize there are 120-ish BCS football programs but way more than 120-ish academic institutions, yes?

There are 125 FBS (not BCS) schools. Yet, there are far more schools out there that play football. We just generally assume that FBS schools comprise are the best, which is true in nearly every case.

So, as such, Vanderbilt clearly has better football than the myriad other schools that don't play at the FBS level/don't even have a football team, solely by virtue of having an FBS football program. Get it?

So, again, if Vanderbilt has a horrible football program or athletic department, then it's absolutely fair to state that Tennessee is horrible academically. Tennessee ranks #101 for non-LAC USNWR rankings (and, unlike FBS vs FCS, the #1 LAC wouldn't be slotted poorly if no distinction between the two were made); do you truly think that Vanderbilt is only the 101st best football program/athletic department?

"Best school academically"? Depends on what program you're talking about. Vandy has a good engineering and pre-med program, but after that Vandy is pretty average. And I guarantee you that few to none of the VU's football are majoring in those programs.

Keep telling yourself that Vanderbilt is "pretty average" if it makes you sleep better as a Vol fan.
 
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there are 125 fbs (not bcs) schools. Yet, there are far more schools out there that play football. We just generally assume that fbs schools comprise are the best, which is true in nearly every case.

So, as such, vanderbilt clearly has better football than the myriad other schools that don't play at the fbs level/don't even have a football team, solely by virtue of having an fbs football program. Get it?

So, again, if vanderbilt has a horrible football program or athletic department, then it's absolutely fair to state that tennessee is horrible academically. Tennessee ranks #101 for non-lac usnwr rankings (and, unlike fbs vs fcs, the #1 lac wouldn't be slotted poorly if no distinction between the two were made); do you truly think that vanderbilt is only the 101st best football program/athletic department?



Keep telling yourself that vanderbilt is "pretty average" if it makes you sleep better as a vol fan.
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Wow, and Vanderbilt has a stellar baseball team!

UT's stride towards better academics has them ranked #101 overall on USNWR. Vanderbilt is ranked #17.

If you think that Vanderbilt's athletic department or football program is #101 overall, you're absolutely delusional.

Face it; James Franklin brought up a legitimate point in his trash talking... which, of course, makes it good trash talking.

USNWR is garbage. If you use all three major ranking systems instead of just one (one that has Notre Dame and Rice above Berkeley, IIRC), Vandy is around #30 and UT is somewhere in the 80s. I'd say that Tennessee easily makes up that 50-spot difference in football, historically.

Hell, last time I checked the London Times Higher Education Survey had Vandy as the #101 school in America. No one outside of a few southern states gives a **** about Vandy's apparently "elite" education.
 
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usnwr is garbage. If you use all three major ranking systems instead of just one (one that has notre dame and rice above berkeley, iirc), vandy is around #30 and ut is somewhere in the 80s. I'd say that tennessee easily makes up that 50-spot difference in football, historically.

Hell, last time i checked the london times higher education survey had vandy as the #101 school in america. No one outside of a few southern states gives a **** about vandy period!

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Two things.

First. Why is this board so caught up in a coach that doesn't matter? No one cares about TCHFCAVU except fans of The University of Tennessee. Its mind blowing.

Second. I really wish y'all would also stop referring to anything of Tennessee's traditional power status. We've been raking the bottom for almost a decade and right now no program considers us elite or cares how good we were when the current players were still having bed wetting problems. We look and sound like Alabama of the early to mid 2000's reminiscing about Bear Bryant.
 
USNWR is garbage. If you use all three major ranking systems instead of just one (one that has Notre Dame and Rice above Berkeley, IIRC), Vandy is around #30 and UT is somewhere in the 80s. I'd say that Tennessee easily makes up that 50-spot difference in football, historically.

Hell, last time I checked the London Times Higher Education Survey had Vandy as the #101 school in America. No one outside of a few southern states gives a **** about Vandy's apparently "elite" education.

Okay; USNWR is garbage. Let's pretend that's true.

Vanderbilt is currently ranked #50 in the ARWU, a fall from #32 in 2003.

Vanderbilt is ranked #106 in the Times Higher Education rankings. I consider this to be very low, even for a world ranking, but whatever.

The QR has Vanderbilt ranked an appauling #167 out of 872 ranked schools.

All of these are "well regarded" University rankings and, with the exception of the QR placing the school 401-450, none bother to rank the University of Tennessee.

So, again, Tennessee is vastly inferior in an academic regard to Vanderbilt. Also, it's hilarious that so many people bashing Vanderbilt as being an elitist, self-absorbed school are simultaneously deriding a well-established American university ranking metric while trying to sing the praises of a school in East Tennessee.
 
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Okay; USNWR is garbage. Let's pretend that's true.

Vanderbilt is currently ranked #50 in the ARWU, a fall from #32 in 2003.

Vanderbilt is ranked #106 in the Times Higher Education rankings. I consider this to be very low, even for a world ranking, but whatever.

The QR has Vanderbilt ranked an appauling #167 out of 872 ranked schools.

All of these are "well regarded" University rankings and, with the exception of the QR placing the school 401-450, none bother to rank the University of Tennessee.

So, again, Tennessee is vastly inferior in an academic regard to Vanderbilt. Also, it's hilarious that so many people bashing Vanderbilt as being an elitist, self-absorbed school are simultaneously deriding a well-established American university ranking metric while trying to sing the praises of a school in East Tennessee.


Hi zack!!
 
Hey Vandy fan, move on back to the rivals Vandy message board. Also, same can be said for Vandy football with what you said about UT academics. According to Dave Ramsey, private schools are poor investments. You can do whatever you want by attending a public institution. Private offers you no advantage other than bragging. Example, do you know what a person who graduates from UT's med school is called? Doctor, which is the same as a Vandy med school graduate. But, UT's is cheaper.

No we are just saying idiots like you should stay on Commodedore threads and quit proving you guys can't hang with the big dogs. Never have and never will. Stick your elitist attitude where the sun don't shine preppy boy!
Can you comprehend that?:hi:

First (to the second post here), its Commodore, don't call someone an idiot if you can't even spell the taunt you are trying to throw at someone. I won't even continue with someone who can't spell or use grammar.

Secondly, to the man trying to claim I have an allegiance to a school because I know what real education is, it's
strange that I'm called a vandy fan for saying UT is not even close in academics as vandy is. It's not an argument. And yes, remember, if we got back 100 years... vandy was dominant in football also, so once more the argument is invalid. UT was never a top academic institution and never will be, but vandy was a top football school (and has a better chance at being consistently average than UT does at being great at academics.)

But you're right, a person from UT is called a doctor if they go to med school. Same as Vandy, Same as Cumberland, same as Tech, etc.

Now guess which one the majority of the world is going to say they want as THEIR doctor? The vandy grad. It's like asking if you wanted to play with Bill Russell or J.R. Smith in basketball, both are NBA players, but one is on a whole other level.

Sorry you guys have these orange tinted glasses on so far up your asses that you can't even see the difference.
You can say private offers no advantage other than bragging, but that's a load of **** and anyone who gets into private schools know that, because the connections alone are worth the price of admission. And that's not counting the actual difference in education (which exist to the point you can't imagine probably.) As a man who has attended community college and state college in high school as well as a private university I think I have a pretty decent handle on the subject.

I grew up forty minutes from knoxville, loving tennessee. I've skipped classes and tests in college to see games in every sport (including Baseball, softball, and women's sports, something most fans don't even pretend we have.) My father was buried in tennessee gear. If they had half the education other schools offered me, I'd have went in a second, but they don't, and that is not an opinion, it is a statistical fact that several corporations will tell you about. Just because someone doesn't agree with your views about how the world works doesn't mean they are that way, especially when the vast majority of the world will disagree with you on the subject.

Now continue arguing about something ignorant and don't worry, as I won't be back in this thread where it seems we have gone from making fun of a coach at a bad football into arguing if a top 20 school in education is somehow on the same level as a sub 100 school.

Just because I acknowledge the fact Vanderbilt beats us in education, always has and always will, does not make me a fan of them. I hope they lose every game. But when I fill out my forms for medical school, guess which school is at the top of the list? And there is a reason, and that reason has not a damn thing to do with sports.
 
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His quote was in the context of a combination of both athletics and academics. Franklin, though, didn't specify the SEC, which is a pretty important detail to leave out.

Vanderbilt is improving upon "dreadful athletics" at a faster pace than Tennessee is improving upon dreadful academics.

Which, one more time, is relevant because the quote discusses providing both athletics and academics.

I agree with you that academics is pertinent to this discussion.

What you don't seem to be getting is that JF was misrepresenting what they can currently offer in their package. They can't offer in athletics what 85% of the SEC can, so he misstated the facts.

Vandy is getting better. Cool. But they can not currently offer, athletically, what other SEC schools can. So, it's not a choice of "athletics AND academics", it's a choice of "athletics OR academics". Not what he purported.
 
I agree with you that academics is pertinent to this discussion.

What you don't seem to be getting is that JF was misrepresenting what they can currently offer in their package. They can't offer in athletics what 85% of the SEC can, so he misstated the facts.

Vandy is getting better. Cool. But they can not currently offer, athletically, what other SEC schools can. So, it's not a choice of "athletics AND academics", it's a choice of "athletics OR academics". Not what he purported.

whoa, whoa, whoa! hold up. Vandy has an elite women's bowling team. "athletics and academics" my friend.
 

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