Coach Kellie Harper

Do you want Coach Harper to return or hire new Coach?


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Ole Miss loses at least two starters in Marquesha Davis (their leading scorer) and Rita Igbokwe (second in rebounding, team leader in FG% and blocks). They also lose Singleton, who's started 11 games. I'm assuming KK Deans is redshirting or she's otherwise out of eligibility. All of their other starters are seniors who could use their COVID year (Scott, Todd-Williams, Collins) but I haven't read anything if they plan to come back or not.

You might be right about Alabama. They have three senior starters who can all use their COVID year (Nye, McQueen, Barker), but I haven't read anything about them either.
Davis redshirted so she has the option to come back. Singleton and Igbokwe are out of eligibility, but I don't think they are as important to Ole Miss' success as the 4 guards are. Plus, they do have some size on the bench that should continue to develop.

For all of the super seniors that play major minutes and are probably looking to go pro, I'll generally assume that they are coming back unless they are a high draft pick (and as we saw with Rickea, she came back anyway).
 
#27
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For all of the super seniors that play major minutes and are probably looking to go pro, I'll generally assume that they are coming back unless they are a high draft pick (and as we saw with Rickea, she came back anyway).
Agree. Most could use another year of college play to get ready for the W. I think Kamilla goes, and seemed like they were indicating Pao Pao might also. Dawn tends to encourage them to go, probably bc she has so many others waiting on playing time.

Brink is the one I'm not sure about. She posted a "thanks for the memories Maples" on social media so that seems like going. She wants to play on the west coast and LA does have the #2 pick. It's been interesting how much the Sparks have been scouting RIckea lately though, seems to indicate they think Brink is staying.

Angel announced she's waiting till after the season to announce her decision, shocked not shocked she would drag out the drama. But I totally think she stays. She's one of the few whose endorsements will travel to the W so money is no object for her. But she needs another year to develop her game. So does HVL and I think they both stay. Will not get better for either in the W.

Does Kitley have another year? I believe Amoor does and think she will use it.
 
#28
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This is what I see happening as well, although unless they work some portal magic, I can see them falling further in the SEC pack next year with OU and Texas joining, and Alabama and Ole Miss bringing pretty much everyone back. But they will still probably be just good enough to make the tournament again, so the cycle will continue. Even if they do get a top transfer, I don't think they will get rewarded with a preseason ranking, and will likely need to prove themselves before getting votes.

I think the reality is that Kellie has probably hit her ceiling as a coach, and the program has hit their high point already under her leadership.
This is pretty much how I feel. The potential is there to get someone out of the portal of course but I just can't see them making much if any progress during her tenure.

Honestly things are "fine", meaning the players are graduating, they are in the top quarter of the league, they are making post season tournaments, and that is basically what any AD could want out of a women's basketball program. However that is not what the fan base here expects or desires long term hence the dilemma by the AD.

There are coaches out there who would love a shot for a job like UT but would things be better? The upper echelon is tough to crack but not impossible. With the portal now if a good group assembled in a single place it could have a quick payoff for a program.
 
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Davis redshirted so she has the option to come back. Singleton and Igbokwe are out of eligibility, but I don't think they are as important to Ole Miss' success as the 4 guards are. Plus, they do have some size on the bench that should continue to develop.

For all of the super seniors that play major minutes and are probably looking to go pro, I'll generally assume that they are coming back unless they are a high draft pick (and as we saw with Rickea, she came back anyway).
I will be so glad when this extra year for CoVid is over.
 
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Honestly things are "fine", meaning the players are graduating, they are in the top quarter of the league, they are making post season tournaments, and that is basically what any AD could want out of a women's basketball program. However that is not what the fan base here expects or desires long term hence the dilemma by the AD.
KJH herself has said many time competing for final fours and championships is her goal, and I'm sure it's that of this AD as well. Not making a ton of on court progress toward that, and I'm sure the AD is in the process of deciding why that is. We can debate til the cows come home whether it's lack of upfront NIL $ or not, but the AD will know that answer.

Whatever the problem, I believe next year will be the tell either way.
 
#31
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As an outsider who has read posts about Kellie all season, and also made comments about her coaching, I believe she should get another year. To be a good coach some things are required from them.
- Their job is to make their players better, so when they graduate, they are better players and better people than when they came in as a freshman.
- Their job is to mold the players into one unit that can function on their own on the floor, where they know what each teammate is thinking and the tendencies and abilities that each player possesses.

If she survives, she has to make major changes to her staff. High school players aren't coming, so how can she teach and make players better? Players in the portal have been coached out at this point. They are not going to learn good defense unless they were already good at it. The are not going to change how they function offensively. Living and dying by the portal results in choppy play, sometimes trying to mix personalities that really don't mix. GET a recruiter that can really do the job. I believe the assistants have been here a few years, yet who have they drawn to Tennessee that can make an impact. Even if the high school players aren't in the top 50, a good coach and staff can mold these kids into a good team. You guys don't deserve to have the stress each summer, waiting to see who Kellie can get from the portal. Get rid of Jon, get rid of Sam (who was supposed to be a great recruiter ), get new blood, and try to lure assistants from great programs who know how to do this. That may be tough because those coaches may have aspirations of moving up in the near future. Regardless, changes must be made to show the administration and fans that she can do this. If Kellie wants to survive, she has to make tough decisions, but isn't that what a great coach does? If she stays pat, then this will definitely be her last year.

Agree that staff changes would help but the problem as I see it for overhauling the staff is with Kellie's uncertain status, if it is uncertain. Probably inside the coaching ranks there is some knowledge on this that we fans don't know but getting top assistants may not be that easy or possible if there are real questions about her future.

I think she gets another year then White will have the needed justification for a change if next season is a bust.
 
#32
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Agree. Most could use another year of college play to get ready for the W. I think Kamilla goes, and seemed like they were indicating Pao Pao might also. Dawn tends to encourage them to go, probably bc she has so many others waiting on playing time.

Brink is the one I'm not sure about. She posted a "thanks for the memories Maples" on social media so that seems like going. She wants to play on the west coast and LA does have the #2 pick. It's been interesting how much the Sparks have been scouting RIckea lately though, seems to indicate they think Brink is staying.

Angel announced she's waiting till after the season to announce her decision, shocked not shocked she would drag out the drama. But I totally think she stays. She's one of the few whose endorsements will travel to the W so money is no object for her. But she needs another year to develop her game. So does HVL and I think they both stay. Will not get better for either in the W.

Does Kitley have another year? I believe Amoor does and think she will use it.
Amoore has another year if she wants to take it. It's hard to know with foreign players. It seems most are ready to move on after 4 years. Unfortunately, this was Kitley's COVID year.

I agree that even though she'll be a high draft pick, Angel should absolutely come back for another season. She is simply not good enough to play at the WNBA level right now. She will be forgotten in 12 months after playing sparingly during the WNBA season, then getting waived during the following training camp. That might still end up happening even if she stays, but at least she'll get a couple more million dollars out of it. If HVL plans to try her hand at the WNBA, I hope she has a backup plan because she might not even get drafted, and if she did, no way she makes a roster.

Brink is a question mark, I think she's pro ready. Personally if I were her, I'd be getting that free Stanford MBA. But I'm not a women's college basketball player, so there's that.
 
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Brink is a question mark, I think she's pro ready. Personally if I were her, I'd be getting that free Stanford MBA. But I'm not a women's college basketball player, so there's that.
Does Stanford even do Covid years? Not sure.

If Brink is really a glutton for punishment she could wait a year and play for the new San Fran area franchise. Could stay near her beloved Steph Curry family.

Again, the Sparks full attention toward Rickea indicates to me either Brink is staying or they intend to draft Rickea ahead of Brink, which would frankly surprise me. Or maybe they think they'll get Rickea with their 4th pick, which would mean the Sky passed on her with their 3rd pick. That would be a bit surprising as well, esp w Paige out of the draft.
 
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It's hard to maintain interest in the Lady Vols program as long as it's mired in mediocrity and showing no signs of rising to the level of the premier programs in the SEC. Kellie doesn't have it in her to break out of the pack. T-B Arena will steadily become more and more echoic as attendance plunges.
 
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I agree that even though she'll be a high draft pick, Angel should absolutely come back for another season. She is simply not good enough to play at the WNBA level right now
I wish I could appreciate Angel more for the monster stats she puts up with very limited skills. Seeing her in person confirms that she is one of the most unathletic players ever to put up that kind of stats. Watching her run the court like my granny, slow shuffling and bent at the waist, is actually painful. As is watching her shoot frm beyond 5 ft. Angel cooked her W goose with that incredibly lazy showing in Mexico last summer.

Angel should run rebounding position and timing clinics the rest of her life. She is truly the female Rodman.
 
#36
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Does Stanford even do Covid years? Not sure.

If Brink is really a glutton for punishment she could wait a year and play for the new San Fran area franchise. Could stay near her beloved Steph Curry family.

Again, the Sparks full attention toward Rickea indicates to me either Brink is staying or they intend to draft Rickea ahead of Brink, which would frankly surprise me. Or maybe they think they'll get Rickea with their 4th pick, which would mean the Sky passed on her with their 3rd pick. That would be a bit surprising as well, esp w Paige out of the draft.
I don't know if they offer COVID years. It's not like the Ivy Leagues that has a blanket policy, but Tara tends to fill her roster. I don't know if she has any spots open if Cameron decides to stay.

Regarding LA's draft picks, there's still Cardoso. Chicago may opt to use the pick on her, which leaves both Cameron and Rickea available for LA.
 
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I wish I could appreciate Angel more for the monster stats she puts up with very limited skills. Seeing her in person confirms that she is one of the most unathletic players ever to put up that kind of stats. Watching her run the court like my granny, slow shuffling and bent at the waist, is actually painful. As is watching her shoot frm beyond 5 ft. Angel cooked her W goose with that incredibly lazy showing in Mexico last summer.

Angel should run rebounding position and timing clinics the rest of her life. She is truly the female Rodman.
I don't think Angel is unathletic at all. She is extremely explosive. But her conditioning needs to improve drastically.

She is more likely to pursue a career as an "influencer" vs. staying in basketball if WNBA stardom doesn't pan out for her.
 
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Regarding LA's draft picks, there's still Cardoso. Chicago may opt to use the pick on her, which leaves both Cameron and Rickea available for L
Could be. Looking at the 24 rosters, both the Sparks and the Sky could really use a big like Kamilla. Sparks have scouted RJ the most, and the Sky has been a couple of times,. Looks pretty likely the first four will be Clark, Brink, Kamilla and Rickea so both teams are probably closely looking at the last three in case someone stays and there's a reshuffle.

Anyone else you think might sneak in above Rickea and/or Kamilla?

Probably need to take this to the W thread, also, I'm really glad you're back.
 
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It's hard to maintain interest in the Lady Vols program as long as it's mired in mediocrity and showing no signs of rising to the level of the premier programs in the SEC. Kellie doesn't have it in her to break out of the pack.
I agree. I check this board often for news, but I haven't watched a full game in a very long time. Recruiting has been down and the play on the court hasn't been great. I have started watching the men's team more the last few seasons. Hopefully, things will turn around soon.
 
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This is a tough question. She's mediocre at best but do we really want to spend the money it takes to win in women's basketball or do we want to put it in mens sports? Your not gonna debate that pubicly because it's not politically correct. It's obvious that she"s coaching here because we are trying to go cheap.
 
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I agree. I check this board often for news, but I haven't watched a full game in a very long time. Recruiting has been down and the play on the court hasn't been great. I have started watching the men's team more the last few seasons. Hopefully, things will turn around soon.
It's very hard to watch. My dad is into it so I watch with him some. They don't play hard or smart. Sometimes I just tune it out it's so bad.
 
#43
#43
I predict Harper comes back and next year is more of the same and possibly a little worse.

Fans of the LVs want this program to be a top 5, at worst top 10 team that competes for the SEC title and FF/E8 spots. Those won't happen under Harper. She's had 5 years and while she hasn't been all bad there is seemingly no progress towards those goals. I don't think another year changes her results no matter who she brings in from the portal.

Also I agree, who would step into this situation? I see some great coaches out there but would many of them leave their current situations? Probably not unless significant money was thrown their way and frankly the department doesn't appear to put as much of an emphasis on WBB as before.
Heard they where sending 85 million on Thompson Boling Arena starting soon so they can get the money
 
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I don't know if they offer COVID years. It's not like the Ivy Leagues that has a blanket policy, but Tara tends to fill her roster. I don't know if she has any spots open if Cameron decides to stay.

Regarding LA's draft picks, there's still Cardoso. Chicago may opt to use the pick on her, which leaves both Cameron and Rickea available for LA.
Hannah Jump is in year 5 at Stanford so there is room. I don't think any coach wouldn't accommodate Brink if she wanted to stay. However, I say she goes and plays in LA.

I also predict Cardoso goes. Clark, Brink, Cardoso and Rikea would likely be the top picks in the draft.
 
#46
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Agree. Most could use another year of college play to get ready for the W. I think Kamilla goes, and seemed like they were indicating Pao Pao might also. Dawn tends to encourage them to go, probably bc she has so many others waiting on playing time.

Brink is the one I'm not sure about. She posted a "thanks for the memories Maples" on social media so that seems like going. She wants to play on the west coast and LA does have the #2 pick. It's been interesting how much the Sparks have been scouting RIckea lately though, seems to indicate they think Brink is staying.

Angel announced she's waiting till after the season to announce her decision, shocked not shocked she would drag out the drama. But I totally think she stays. She's one of the few whose endorsements will travel to the W so money is no object for her. But she needs another year to develop her game. So does HVL and I think they both stay. Will not get better for either in the W.

Does Kitley have another year? I believe Amoor does and think she will use it.
So Reese not announcing is dragging out drama?
Does Stanford even do Covid years? Not sure.

If Brink is really a glutton for punishment she could wait a year and play for the new San Fran area franchise. Could stay near her beloved Steph Curry family.

Again, the Sparks full attention toward Rickea indicates to me either Brink is staying or they intend to draft Rickea ahead of Brink, which would frankly surprise me. Or maybe they think they'll get Rickea with their 4th pick, which would mean the Sky passed on her with their 3rd pick. That would be a bit surprising as well, esp w Paige out of the draft.
Brink will be a bust, I just don’t see it. Rickea is better and by a mile I just don’t know what u see in her.
 
#47
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Interesting as to what we have learned today at least on this board that the fanbase is split right down the middle on the question. So even if she gets to come back looks like a do or die situation next season for her. A tough place to be in when you don't have the roster you need and will have to find it in the portal in the next couple of months. If the portal turns out to be a bust then next season is going to be brutal for us fans and certainly if this coaching staff returns to get through the season.
 
#49
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I do not think Kelly is a bad coach. Recruiting is where the problem is. Who knows why the Lady Vols cannot get the top female players in the country.
That is the biggest part of it however and your doomed to failure without being able to get the players. You can't coach your way into wins against five superstar players if all you have is five 150 pound midgets.
 
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That one I'm fairly sure about. Dawn practically escorts them to the door and says bye bye. The luxury of an overloaded roster.
She only has 11 roster spots filled (possibly 10 depending on Jah) and 3 incoming, so she still has space if one or more wants to stay. But I don't know much more Cardoso will benefit from staying in college. She's pretty much an international pro already. I think that Sakima Walker will stay, and Paopao is 50-50.
 
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