Coach Z

[Darth_Shiveman]

BTW, I still believe better coaching gets better results from the guys who did play. Lesser athletes like those playing for Duke execute that.... among others.

I agree with that too, but I think a lot can be attributed to the lack of stability our DL had their whole careers. Those lesser athletes from Duke have had the same scheme and coaches their whole careers and know what is expected of them. Granted, this shouldn't make a huge difference for the fundamentals, but changing schemes and position coaches every year isn't exactly a recipe for consistent play. Different coaches have different methods of teaching kids and it can be difficult for kids to properly pick up the basics of the position if they're taught in a new manner every couple of months (especially since we basically wasted a year in a drastically different 3-4 scheme).

Hopefully the guys we have returning to their second year of the scheme show this to be more of the problem than coaching. Next season should give us a better idea of the extent our coaching is working/lacking.

EDIT: For context, Duke's DL coach was in his 3rd season with the team in 2013 and their DC was in his 5th season with the team.

 

[MSME Vol]

Disagree. If you have guys constantly doing it then you try other guys. I know the options might be slim but for a whole lot of reasons you cannot allow the same guys to make the same mistakes over and over without paying the consequences. You can't have guys sitting behind guys who they know aren't getting the job done. Bad for discipline. Bad for morale.

And like the receiver issues, if it is one guy then blame the guy. If its the whole group then you have to consider the coaching.

BTW, why is it throwing a coach under the bus to question the job he did but not throwing a player under the bus to question how he played or took coaching?

PS- Either the guys were coachable or Jones lied. He said they had bought in faster than either of his first two teams.

I was more trying to point out our willingness to throw anyone under the bus when results aren't exactly what we want. Had we won Georgia and or Candy then this probably wouldn't be discussed as much yet the issue would still exist. In addition I think it is safe to say coach z didn't affect our d line play much. That would be strip. Do do all our coaches suck? Just one? Is it a few players? The team? The scheme? From the conversations here the it seems suck age is just a way of life now.

The main problem with this all is that it is being treated like an either or situation. Either the coaching sucks or the players suck. More likely though is that the million little factors of new schemes, training, and theory led to struggles on the first year. IMO this is shared responsibility between coaches and players on the outcome. Perhaps the coaches do bear a bit more of it. I think you see it this way too to SB extent sjt18. Let me know if I'm wrong on that.

However we do not have enough data at this point to really tell, and another coaching carasoul change now would be stupid. The best we can do is thank the players that have graduated for their time, pray the coaches learned from their failures on them (I'm sure there were some, no one is perfect), and get ready to watch the orange and white game in April. That will be the first real tangible point for us to see how coaching is doing with new recruits.

 

[TGVol]

I was more trying to point out our willingness to throw anyone under the bus when results aren't exactly what we want. Had we won Georgia and or Candy then this probably wouldn't be discussed as much yet the issue would still exist. In addition I think it is safe to say coach z didn't affect our d line play much. That would be strip. Do do all our coaches suck? Just one? Is it a few players? The team? The scheme? From the conversations here the it seems suck age is just a way of life now.

The main problem with this all is that it is being treated like an either or situation. Either the coaching sucks or the players suck. More likely though is that the million little factors of new schemes, training, and theory led to struggles on the first year. IMO this is shared responsibility between coaches and players on the outcome. Perhaps the coaches do bear a bit more of it. I think you see it this way too to SB extent sjt18. Let me know if I'm wrong on that.

However we do not have enough data at this point to really tell, and another coaching carasoul change now would be stupid. The best we can do is thank the players that have graduated for their time, pray the coaches learned from their failures on them (I'm sure there were some, no one is perfect), and get ready to watch the orange and white game in April. That will be the first real tangible point for us to see how coaching is doing with new recruits.

Excellent analysis.