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#176
#176
Jeff Scott (USF) would be my bet. Nobody recognizes how horrible he has been because no one even follows USF. But we are talking about a guy still trying to win his 5th game overall in his third year at the school. The university starts construction on an on campus stadium so there is an urgency to find someone to field a competitive team by 2024.
 
#178
#178
Vol423 said:
Nobody sporting even a single brain cell would leave FSU for ASU anyway, so it's irrelevant where ASU has Norvell on their list.
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I see your point, but I disagree.

I would not be surprised if Norvell is ASU's coach next year. IF FSU goes 10-2, maybe not. But 7-5???? I could see it.
 
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#179
#179
peaygolf said:
I see your point, but I disagree.

I would not be surprised if Norvell is ASU's coach next year. IF FSU goes 10-2, maybe not. But 7-5???? I could see it.
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Becoming the head coach at ASU is like entering the witness protection program until the day you eventually get fired.
 
#180
#180
Vol423 said:
Becoming the head coach at ASU is like entering the witness protectiin program until the day you eventually get fired.
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Yep. Right now it is, but it has the potential to be a great job........with the right guy.
It's a sleeping giant.


jmo
 
#183
#183
peaygolf said:
I see your point, but I disagree.

I would not be surprised if Norvell is ASU's coach next year. IF FSU goes 10-2, maybe not. But 7-5???? I could see it.
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Even at 10-2 it’s untenable. They want more.
 
#185
#185
PEPPERJAX said:
Why is ASU a sleeping giant?
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Giant might not be the right word……..
The Sun Devils have a prime location in their favor. The Arizona weather is beautiful. Arizona State has a mass appeal to potential students just on the weather alone.
Arizona State offers a phenomenal campus life that is currently ranked amongst the best in the nation. Their facilities are amazing. They have outdoor grills, and the dorm buildings look like resorts.
The fact that they are in Arizona gives them the option to pull kids from Texas and California. If Arizona State could generate a presence in the Southeast (Florida, Georgia, Alabama, etc), they could get scary good real quick.
 
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#186
peaygolf said:
Giant might not be the right word……..
The Sun Devils have a prime location in their favor. The Arizona weather is beautiful. Arizona State has a mass appeal to potential students just on the weather alone.
Arizona State offers a phenomenal campus life that is currently ranked amongst the best in the nation. Their facilities are amazing. They have outdoor grills, and the dorm buildings look like resorts.
The fact that they are in Arizona gives them the option to pull kids from Texas and California. If Arizona State could generate a presence in the Southeast (Florida, Georgia, Alabama, etc), they could get scary good real quick.
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I lived in Mesa, AZ about 20 years ago. Tempe does have a nice campus. Football tradition is not great though.
 
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#187
#187
peaygolf said:
Giant might not be the right word……..
The Sun Devils have a prime location in their favor. The Arizona weather is beautiful. Arizona State has a mass appeal to potential students just on the weather alone.
Arizona State offers a phenomenal campus life that is currently ranked amongst the best in the nation. Their facilities are amazing. They have outdoor grills, and the dorm buildings look like resorts.
The fact that they are in Arizona gives them the option to pull kids from Texas and California. If Arizona State could generate a presence in the Southeast (Florida, Georgia, Alabama, etc), they could get scary good real quick.
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Lots of problems at ASU, though. Kids from California and Texas don't want to go there for starters. In fact, kids from Arizona don't want to go their either. A&M, Oklahoma and Texas regularly walk into the state and take any recruit they want.

They also need to hire a new athletic director. Current athletic director, Ray Anderson, claim to fame is that once upon a time he was Herm Edwards agent. Herm didn't work out so well for him there. Can Anderson be trusted with hiring the new coach. What other name does he have in his bag of tricks?
 
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#188
BUBear said:
Lots of problems at ASU, though. Kids from California and Texas don't want to go there for starters. In fact, kids from Arizona don't want to go their either. A&M, Oklahoma and Texas regularly walk into the state and take any recruit they want.

They also need to hire a new athletic director. Current athletic director, Ray Anderson, claim to fame is that once upon a time he was Herm Edwards agent. Herm didn't work out so well for him there. Can Anderson be trusted with hiring the new coach. What other name does he have in his bag of tricks?
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It's a sh!+ show now, but does have the "potential" to be a great program.
Takes the correct leadership in AD and coach. Kinda sounds familiar. .......
 
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05_never_again said:
He gets another year if Mizzou beats Vandy and South Carolina, and looks OK against some combo of UF, UK, UT and Arky. He won't look OK against all 4, but he needs to look decent against at least a couple of them. IMO, they are really ill-equipped to look OK against UT and Arky so maybe it'll come down to UF and UK.

Mizzou is not super hard on coaches, but I was somewhat surprised when they let Odom go. I thought they'd give him another year, but they didn't.
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Really hoping that the 5 star wideout on Mizzou that had exactly 0 touches versus Auburn jumps in the portal and would consider an SEC team where he could showcase his talents. Hmmm. If only there was a team that could do that .
 
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#191
Vol423 said:
Becoming the head coach at ASU is like entering the witness protection program until the day you eventually get fired.
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Add to that the instability of the PAC-12 and whether it will exist in near future.

Even if the PAC-12 manages to continue, ASU is not going to get anywhere near the CCTV money FSU will and will have a hard time upgrading facilities, attracting & paying coaches, etc.
 
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#192
peaygolf said:
Giant might not be the right word……..
The Sun Devils have a prime location in their favor. The Arizona weather is beautiful. Arizona State has a mass appeal to potential students just on the weather alone.
Arizona State offers a phenomenal campus life that is currently ranked amongst the best in the nation. Their facilities are amazing. They have outdoor grills, and the dorm buildings look like resorts.
The fact that they are in Arizona gives them the option to pull kids from Texas and California. If Arizona State could generate a presence in the Southeast (Florida, Georgia, Alabama, etc), they could get scary good real quick.
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I've thought for a long time that Arizona and Arizona St should be better than they are. Not perennial Pac 12 powers, but teams that vie for a conference title here and there and are still decent even when they aren't championship-level.

Phoenix and Tucson are not prime recruiting areas but they are in close proximity to some great ones. They are both great places to live and provide a lot of...let's call it off and on-campus scenery. Arizona St in particular seems to have some things going for it, but appears to be incredibly mismanaged. The whole "let's hire a former agent as our AD and then let him hire his former client as our HC" thing worked out horribly. Unlike Nebraska or other programs that I think won't be good again no matter what they do, the Arizona schools have some potential. There are problems there, but they seem fixable.
BUBear said:
Lots of problems at ASU, though. Kids from California and Texas don't want to go there for starters. In fact, kids from Arizona don't want to go their either. A&M, Oklahoma and Texas regularly walk into the state and take any recruit they want.

They also need to hire a new athletic director. Current athletic director, Ray Anderson, claim to fame is that once upon a time he was Herm Edwards agent. Herm didn't work out so well for him there. Can Anderson be trusted with hiring the new coach. What other name does he have in his bag of tricks?
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Kids don't want to go there now because they stink. USC and Oregon cannot take all the SoCal kids. Arizona St/Arizona should be able to go in there and poach some here and there, and they need to hire a coach who is a good developer and not just recruiter (easier said than done, but it can be done).
 
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#194
#194
peaygolf said:
It's a sh!+ show now, but does have the "potential" to be a great program.
Takes the correct leadership in AD and coach. Kinda sounds familiar. .......
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Anything is fixable but is ASU willing to fire their President, Michael Crow, too? The man cares nothing about athletics. He's more of a California wine and cheese guy than he is a football or basketball guy.
 
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#195
05_never_again said:
I've thought for a long time that Arizona and Arizona St should be better than they are. Not perennial Pac 12 powers, but teams that vie for a conference title here and there and are still decent even when they aren't championship-level.

Phoenix and Tucson are not prime recruiting areas but they are in close proximity to some great ones. They are both great places to live and provide a lot of...let's call it off and on-campus scenery. Arizona St in particular seems to have some things going for it, but appears to be incredibly mismanaged. The whole "let's hire a former agent as our AD and then let him hire his former client as our HC" thing worked out horribly. Unlike Nebraska or other programs that I think won't be good again no matter what they do, the Arizona schools have some potential. There are problems there, but they seem fixable.

Kids don't want to go there now because they stink. USC and Oregon cannot take all the SoCal kids. Arizona St/Arizona should be able to go in there and poach some here and there, and they need to hire a coach who is a good developer and not just recruiter (easier said than done, but it can be done).
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Boise, BYU, Oregon, Utah, Washington and Wazzu seem to be doing well at handling the overflow of athletes California has...not including other schools that cherry pick the state.
 
#196
#196
05_never_again said:
I've thought for a long time that Arizona and Arizona St should be better than they are. Not perennial Pac 12 powers, but teams that vie for a conference title here and there and are still decent even when they aren't championship-level.

Phoenix and Tucson are not prime recruiting areas but they are in close proximity to some great ones. They are both great places to live and provide a lot of...let's call it off and on-campus scenery. Arizona St in particular seems to have some things going for it, but appears to be incredibly mismanaged. The whole "let's hire a former agent as our AD and then let him hire his former client as our HC" thing worked out horribly. Unlike Nebraska or other programs that I think won't be good again no matter what they do, the Arizona schools have some potential. There are problems there, but they seem fixable.

Kids don't want to go there now because they stink. USC and Oregon cannot take all the SoCal kids. Arizona St/Arizona should be able to go in there and poach some here and there, and they need to hire a coach who is a good developer and not just recruiter (easier said than done, but it can be done).
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Believe a coach like Kiffin would ignite either program with his connections to the West Coast and access to QBs in the CA market.
 
#197
#197
BUBear said:
Boise, BYU, Oregon, Utah, Washington and Wazzu seem to be doing well at handling the overflow of athletes California has...not including other schools that cherry pick the state.
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Yeah, so why not Arizona St? Arizona St is in a better position to get that overflow than Boise St, Washington St, and probably even BYU. If Utah can put together a pretty good program, why can't Arizona St? Arizona St has more things working for them than Utah does - the biggest difference is that Utah is competently run.

Arizona St doesn't really have any structural issues that prevent them from having a competitive program...they are just run by idiots. It honestly doesn't seem that much different from Tennessee's situation, except Tennessee has a lot more historical success than Arizona St does. The program has things working for it that can be taken advantage of, but for whatever reason they aren't taking advantage of it.
 
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#198
05_never_again said:
Yeah, so why not Arizona St? Arizona St is in a better position to get that overflow than Boise St, Washington St, and probably even BYU. If Utah can put together a pretty good program, why can't Arizona St? Arizona St has more things working for them than Utah does - the biggest difference is that Utah is competently run.

Arizona St doesn't really have any structural issues that prevent them from having a competitive program...they are just run by idiots. It honestly doesn't seem that much different from Tennessee's situation, except Tennessee has a lot more historical success than Arizona St does. The program has things working for it that can be taken advantage of, but for whatever reason they aren't taking advantage of it.
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Tennessee has a much greater football history but they also have homegrown fans...be they alums or t-shirt fans you have that advantage also. The Phoenix area is a major city full of transplants that have brought their loyalties to other programs and universities with them. Thus, most of the programs that I mentioned have homegrown loyal fans just as the Vols do. It would take at least one generation for ASU to build the relationships with potential fans that the Vols have built over multiple generations.

I'm not saying that ASU couldn't do it but they have their work cut out for them for sure.
 
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