Coaching Changes?

Coaching Changes?

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#76
#76
sjt18 said:
Probably should not have been hired but the choices weren't good when he was hired.

His recruiting was good the first year and decent the second year. I have seen the same rumors and don't know exactly how representative those anecdotes are.

He was pretty much done after the end of his 2nd year. He was spent then lost his staff. IMHO, he knew it was over long before the '12 season started. Yet in all of that... his 3 classes still produced as many or more contributors than the last 3 of Fulmer who was once a legendary recruiter.

He was teetering IMO no later than when he lost Rogers or maybe even as early as spring when he probably knew the change to the 3-4 and Sunseri was a big mistake.

He may not be a very good leader... but he's still a pretty smart guy.

There is no doubt that sometime between game 1 and game 12 he and the team quit.



Under different circumstances, he might have been more successful... which would have probably been a bad thing for UT. If he beats LSU and/or UNC in '10... how much would that have helped him? If he doesn't lose to UK in '11... would that have helped enough?

But the really scary thought is that Hart was probably going to keep him if he had made a bowl last year. Taking a 9/10 win roster to 6 wins and a Who Cares Bowl would have saved him... and probably set the program back years.
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At least we can both agree Dooley was a lousy coach and probably shouldn't have been hired. And that hopefully CBJ can get this turned around. I believe he can I guess your in more a wait and see mode on him.
I have enjoyed the back and forth conversation though.
 
#77
#77
volfan_89 said:
At least we can both agree Dooley was a lousy coach and probably shouldn't have been hired. And that hopefully CBJ can get this turned around. I believe he can I guess your in more a wait and see mode on him.
I have enjoyed the back and forth conversation though.
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:hi:
 
#78
#78
VFFL@THE BEACH said:
Anyone else feel like our OL did not fit the offensive scheme very well. The OL was built for a pro-style, down hill blocking every time type offense. Maybe we did not give the big guys enough good old fashioned down hill blocking schemes to wear out a defense? I am not trying to make exucses, seems like they could have stepped up a little more. I guess we will see what a new O line will look like in 2014. Maybe wishing the old oline was back!
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What?
The first thing CBJ said to the team was that they ran a "pro-style" system. I guess if Peyton were here he would be to pro-style. Geez. Yep, too many pro-style linemen to compete. That's why CBJ is going after the top players. Because they aren't pro-style.

Bottom line is Jones did not do much on the field with several future pro players. The o-line severely under performed and it was because of how slow the plays were scripted to develop.
 
#79
#79
UT's talent was so very bad that judging the coaching staff will have to wait a couple of years.....and yes, it was that bad or even worse!
 
#80
#80
photovol said:
UT's talent was so very bad that judging the coaching staff will have to wait a couple of years.....and yes, it was that bad or even worse!
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In spots, yes. In other spots the talent (if we are looking at recruit rankings) was very good.

More teams than not deal with talent deficiencies. They get bailing wire and duct tape and work thru it.
On offense, talent was not the issue. 4star linemen across the board. Two 4star tailbacks. Four, 4star QBs competing.. Pig, Croom and Bowled were the #1 class of receivers. Two of those guys were beaten out by a white guy from Knoxville who can't catch. The staff chose to move King from TE despite having no depth.

Lack of talent? Please.
What I saw was uncertainty on offense. Confusion. Slow developing plays. What was supposed to be a pace offense where everyone would line up and then look at the sideline for 10 seconds while the linemen held their stance. The offense regressed. And yes, part of that was the QB issue.

But these coaches are pros and paid like such. They tried to fit a square peg in a round hole.
 
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#81
#81
volfan_89 said:
At least we can both agree Dooley was a lousy coach and probably shouldn't have been hired.
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It was a risky hire at a time when every hire UT could have made was full of risks. The better coaches didn't want to take over a program with a terrible roster behind Kiffin. At the time remember, there was an NCAA shadow over UT in addition to a roster that was flat out horrible. There wasn't a DT left on the roster. The only proven RB (Hardesty) was leaving. The OL was decimated.

I predicted at the time that even if Dooley were a very good coach his chances of success were less than 50%.

You may hate him... but he did some necessary bleeding that Jones won't have to do.

And that hopefully CBJ can get this turned around. I believe he can I guess your in more a wait and see mode on him.
I have enjoyed the back and forth conversation though.
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I am because I didn't see the coaching and player development this year I hoped to see. I wanted to see him pull a few brilliant coaching jobs out of his hat and either make mistmatches close or grab a more significant upset than USCe. The Vandy loss is still big with me. That game should not have been close.
 
#82
#82
gotta give the entire staff 3 years to properly evaluate them
 
#84
#84
oregonvol said:
This year was not a success. It was a failure. The team lost to Vanderbilt. They went 5-7. That is not good coaching. There needs to be some kind of change. You can't just cover your eyes and pretend nothing is wrong and just hope everything changes with time. Saban changed his OC after his first season at Alabama. I don't think the lack of continuity hurt them.
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Not a good example, IMO. The OC you refer to was Major Applewhite. Not from Saban's tree and they lost the last 4 games of the season, including the infamous Louisiana-Monroe loss. Applewhite returned to his alma mater, Texas.
 
#87
#87
sjt18 said:
But the really scary thought is that Hart was probably going to keep him if he had made a bowl last year. Taking a 9/10 win roster to 6 wins and a Who Cares Bowl would have saved him... and probably set the program back years.
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No, he wasn't. Dooley needed to win 8 to even have a chance to keep his job. He knew it. The decision to fire him was made after the Mississippi State loss, when there was plenty of time to make a bowl.

I don't think people realize how close Hart was to making a move after the Kentucky loss.
 
#88
#88
We need Randy Sanders back.
He is in his 1st year at FSU and doing a hell of a job.
 
#89
#89
Firing one of the coordinators that he personally selected and brought with him, after the first year would make Jones look like an incompetent fool. No way he does that, even if he has doubts about them, which is a scary thought.
 
#90
#90
Poppa T said:
Not a good example, IMO. The OC you refer to was Major Applewhite. Not from Saban's tree and they lost the last 4 games of the season, including the infamous Louisiana-Monroe loss. Applewhite returned to his alma mater, Texas.
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Wait...how is that not a good example? We also lost alot of games at the end of the season. 4 of the last 5. And yes, Applewhite returned to his alma mater...to be the RB coach.

Fact remains, he was replaced. The offense was changed significantly. And "continuity" didn't suffer at all.
 
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#91
#91
DeerPark12 said:
No, he wasn't. Dooley needed to win 8 to even have a chance to keep his job. He knew it. The decision to fire him was made after the Mississippi State loss, when there was plenty of time to make a bowl.

I don't think people realize how close Hart was to making a move after the Kentucky loss.
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Do you have even a shred of proof for this?
 
#92
#92
DeerPark12 said:
No, he wasn't. Dooley needed to win 8 to even have a chance to keep his job. He knew it. The decision to fire him was made after the Mississippi State loss, when there was plenty of time to make a bowl.

I don't think people realize how close Hart was to making a move after the Kentucky loss.
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My "inside" info comes from here... so you could be right. But the consensus of the "insiders" here was that he would have been saved had he beaten Vandy. That's a sickening thought.

I said long before the season started that at a minimum Dooley needed to get a signature win... a win that mattered. By the end of the USCe game, he could no longer do that. I said he should have been fired immediately so that a search could start. MANY here who generally post accurate info said that Dooley was not done at that point. I remember because it made me nervous.
 
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