Coaching

[Sudden Impact]

This is an embarrassment that I blame on coaching. We don't look prepared or disciplined. We have no game plan. I am embarrassed by this performance.

What experience or knowledge do you have to make this statement.....troll

 

[Weezer]

I'm not ready for a "Fire Butch" mentality, but what bothers me is seeing the same mistakes happenning game after game. We do have a qb coach, so why can he not help Worley? Seems like it would be a top priority.

 

[chidave]

Good coaches maximize the talent they have. I don't think anyone can argue with a straight face that we have done that.

-We continually ran a read option with a 0% chance of the QB keeping the ball against Oregon. Getting blown out by Oregon was somewhat expected, but for their D to completely throttle our Offense wasn't.

-Peterman was nowhere near ready to make his first start, and he still gets thrown in against Florida on the road without even one week of full snaps with the first team. It was apparent to everyone after the third TO that he needed to come out, except Butch.

-Any other team in the SEC (with the possible exception of Kentucky) would have beaten Florida yesterday. They were doing everything they could to give that game to us, but due to horrific play-calling and starting the wrong QB, we couldn't reach out and take it.

Look, we all hope Butch can turn it around...but we're looking at a 4-8 year if he doesn't get with the OC and change our plan of attack. We do not have the personnel for the read-option...never ever ever ever ever run this again until we do. It's not the talent that's calling the read-option, it's our coaching staff.

We're trying to put round pegs into square holes....now I'm not saying he has to scrap his offense...but why not round the holes...just a little. Insert a few other run plays instead of the read-option. Put an H-back in to give you the option of a power run.

To sum up...our talent level is down, and we were looking at a bad year due to that...but we're going to be looking at a historic all-time bad year if Butch doesn't come to his senses. Please Butch...help them...help you.

 

[golf437]

This is an embarrassment that I blame on coaching. We don't look prepared or disciplined. We have no game plan. I am embarrassed by this performance.

Tenn. will be alright if you want to cheer for a team that does not embarrass you.

 

[volberry]

1. Started Peterson in the swamp
2. QB had a broke hand and left him in resulting in balls slipping out of hand and continued lack of confidence
3. Called way too many agressive play calls on 3rd down when we had the lead giving up turnovers and huge field advantage to uf
4. declining penalty at oregon
5. lack off 4 down attempts against oregon

he can't coach. not a game day coach at all.

 

[friedeggsammich]

1. Started Peterson in the swamp
2. QB had a broke hand and left him in resulting in balls slipping out of hand and continued lack of confidence
3. Called way too many agressive play calls on 3rd down when we had the lead giving up turnovers and huge field advantage to uf
4. declining penalty at oregon
5. lack off 4 down attempts against oregon

he can't coach. not a game day coach at all.

I guess fulmer would have done better right????

 

[FBtime]

Yeah he's made some mistakes. All coaches do. However, the things he has done right since becoming head coach of the Tennessee Volunteers FAR outweigh what he has done wrong and give me a reason to be truly excited about our future.

 

[JMSqb11]

1. Started Peterson in the swamp
2. QB had a broke hand and left him in resulting in balls slipping out of hand and continued lack of confidence
3. Called way too many agressive play calls on 3rd down when we had the lead giving up turnovers and huge field advantage to uf
4. declining penalty at oregon
5. lack off 4 down attempts against oregon

he can't coach. not a game day coach at all.

Are you retarded? So I guess all those 4th down attempts by Dooley makes him 100 times the coach Butch is. I love Phil Fulmer to this day, but that is outrageous. Quit bringing up the Butch vs Phil stuff. Grow up you fools.

 

[Burger]

1. Started Peterson in the swamp
2. QB had a broke hand and left him in resulting in balls slipping out of hand and continued lack of confidence
3. Called way too many agressive play calls on 3rd down when we had the lead giving up turnovers and huge field advantage to uf
4. declining penalty at oregon
5. lack off 4 down attempts against oregon

he can't coach. not a game day coach at all.

You base that off of two games. It's a very small sample size.
1. It could of gone either way. I remember the Worley hate very well.
2. Confidence is for babies. Let's stop treating guys like babies.
3. Punting is stupid.
4. What difference would that make? Oregon would of scored anyways
5. I agree.

 

[WinginFlorida]

1. Started Peterson in the swamp
2. QB had a broke hand and left him in resulting in balls slipping out of hand and continued lack of confidence
3. Called way too many agressive play calls on 3rd down when we had the lead giving up turnovers and huge field advantage to uf
4. declining penalty at oregon
5. lack off 4 down attempts against oregon

he can't coach. not a game day coach at all.

Interesting that you criticize him for not going for it on 4th down against OU which one would assume demonstrates a lack of confidence in his offense, while at the same time you criticize him for declining the penalty with the expectations/confidence the defense would hold.

Seems hypocritical but that's just me, I guess.

 

[VolinWayne]

1. Started Peterson in the swamp
2. QB had a broke hand and left him in resulting in balls slipping out of hand and continued lack of confidence
3. Called way too many agressive play calls on 3rd down when we had the lead giving up turnovers and huge field advantage to uf
4. declining penalty at oregon
5. lack off 4 down attempts against oregon

he can't coach. not a game day coach at all.

Thanks! I needed a good luagh this morning!

 

[bullet20]

1. Started Peterson in the swamp
2. QB had a broke hand and left him in resulting in balls slipping out of hand and continued lack of confidence
3. Called way too many agressive play calls on 3rd down when we had the lead giving up turnovers and huge field advantage to uf
4. declining penalty at oregon
5. lack off 4 down attempts against oregon

he can't coach. not a game day coach at all.

I knew we should have hired you instead of CBJ. SMDH :bash:

 

[OnceAVol]

1. Started Peterson in the swamp
2. QB had a broke hand and left him in resulting in balls slipping out of hand and continued lack of confidence
3. Called way too many agressive play calls on 3rd down when we had the lead giving up turnovers and huge field advantage to uf
4. declining penalty at oregon
5. lack off 4 down attempts against oregon

he can't coach. not a game day coach at all.

This has to be sarcasm, Right?

 

[Blackburn]

1. Started Peterson in the swamp
2. QB had a broke hand and left him in resulting in balls slipping out of hand and continued lack of confidence
3. Called way too many agressive play calls on 3rd down when we had the lead giving up turnovers and huge field advantage to uf
4. declining penalty at oregon
5. lack off 4 down attempts against oregon

he can't coach. not a game day coach at all.

4 games into another rebuilding process...and everyone is a critic.

Good coaches learn from mistakes so lets see how Jones and the team respond.

 

[Volfan2012]

Coaching=recruiting just ask Mr. Saban he had a tough time early at Bama then he got the players and became a great coach. I look for the same thing to happen to Butch in year three.

 

[volberry]

Good coaches maximize the talent they have. I don't think anyone can argue with a straight face that we have done that.

-We continually ran a read option with a 0% chance of the QB keeping the ball against Oregon. Getting blown out by Oregon was somewhat expected, but for their D to completely throttle our Offense wasn't.

-Peterman was nowhere near ready to make his first start, and he still gets thrown in against Florida on the road without even one week of full snaps with the first team. It was apparent to everyone after the third TO that he needed to come out, except Butch.

-Any other team in the SEC (with the possible exception of Kentucky) would have beaten Florida yesterday. They were doing everything they could to give that game to us, but due to horrific play-calling and starting the wrong QB, we couldn't reach out and take it.

Look, we all hope Butch can turn it around...but we're looking at a 4-8 year if he doesn't get with the OC and change our plan of attack. We do not have the personnel for the read-option...never ever ever ever ever run this again until we do. It's not the talent that's calling the read-option, it's our coaching staff.

We're trying to put round pegs into square holes....now I'm not saying he has to scrap his offense...but why not round the holes...just a little. Insert a few other run plays instead of the read-option. Put an H-back in to give you the option of a power run.

To sum up...our talent level is down, and we were looking at a bad year due to that...but we're going to be looking at a historic all-time bad year if Butch doesn't come to his senses. Please Butch...help them...help you.

and when he gets fired we will have spread personell that a new coach will try to run a pro offense and it will take 3 years for him to get that turned around. it's a hot mess.

 

[WorldVisionGuy]

Maybe some of you are starting to realize just how bad the roster is.

Great Post!!!!

 

[sjt18]

Coaching=recruiting just ask Mr. Saban he had a tough time early at Bama then he got the players and became a great coach. I look for the same thing to happen to Butch in year three.

Players weren't Saban's only problem when he arrived at Bama and people WAY overplay his one bad season there. More often than not, good coaches make an immediate impact and utilize the existing players better than their predecessor.

Based on what I have seen. It is my open that Oregon will win the NC this year. I doubt an SEC team will go this year unless it is LSU. Oregon is not the most talented team in the country. They probably aren't top ten. They have coaching and a system plus the "right" players.

Coaching=coaching. You have to have great players to reach the level Bama has. But coaching makes a HUGE difference. Anyone who can look at Bama and suggest they are not a well coached football team is ignorant.

Cases in point, USC and UGA.... both have tons of talent. Both have mediocre to worse coaches. You can toss Texas and several others in that boat too.

On the other side, Oregon is definitely an overachiever as is Stanford. A&M is STILL not in the same talent class as Bama but beat them last year and gave them a great run this year. TCU, Boise, Ark under Petrino,.... there are numerous examples where the coach is the difference between success and failure... not just talent.

Hoke's impact at Michigan... Meyer's impact at UT, UF, and tOSU....

 

[sjt18]

and when he gets fired we will have spread personell that a new coach will try to run a pro offense and it will take 3 years for him to get that turned around. it's a hot mess.

If Jones fails and is fired, the D should have very good personnel to run the 4-3. UT may or may not replace him with a coach that runs a similar system... maybe they'll grab someone out of the Oregon tree? Even if they don't... a mobile QB who can throw is seldom a liability to a pro-style O. RB's transition very well.
The WR's being recruited are definitely pro-style.

If Jones recruits well this year and next then talent won't be a problem for a replacement.

 

[sjt18]

Since Wilcox, and we don't have the depth and maybe the talent that Wilcox had when he was here.

LOL... this team has more talent AND depth than that team. His first roster had NO... as in ZERO... DT's. They had to convert their best DE to play undersized at DT. At one point, J Ayres started as a walkon at DT at 265 lbs.

Wilcox is a very, very, very good coach... he definitely did alot with the lemons he inherited at UT.

 

[sjt18]

Maybe some of you are starting to realize just how bad the roster is.

Except that it isn't. You have a very good and deep OL. You have two good RB's. You have talented youth at WR. You have 4 options at QB with 3 of them being players Jones recruited. On D, you have experience and talent at every starting position except for one CB spot. Depth is an issue... but it is not unique to UT by any stretch. USCe did not start the season with talent and depth everywhere in their D 2-deep and may not be there now. UGA has 9 new starters on D with most of their two deep getting PT for the first time in their careers.

I could buy the idea that Jones is has to pull all the pieces together game by game. That can be a process even when you have the right pieces and the right "builder". To an extent, I can buy that he may not have "ideal" players for what he wants to do. There is no question he does not have the depth and experience everywhere that he needs to compete for the East and with the best programs.

But this whole notion that he inherited a bare cupboard is false and I have yet to see anyone saying they expect him to win the East or more than 8 games as a high side possibility. Most of the argument has been over whether this roster is legitimately capable of 7 wins or 8 at the outside. It is. It may not get them. There may even be reasonable explanations for why it didn't. But the roster is there if it is coached well.

 

[armchair]

If you have talent issues, and we have a few, then it means that you've got to keep your mistakes to an absolute minimum--and that goes for the COACHES too. And Butch has made some mistakes--the biggest being his decision to start and stick with Peterman. That was a BIG decision and it was the wrong decision. Don't know if Worley could have won the game for us, but we wouldn't have been behind by 10 at the half, after a terrible performance by florida, no less. That I know.

Play-calling also is important. Here's an example. In the florida game, we have the ball 2nd and 8 deep in our own territory. The OC calls a deep sideline pass--about 30 yards. Peterman dropped back, apparently tried look off the safeties, and then turned and threw the ball without even spotting the receiver--from what I could tell watching on TV. In any case, it was a incomplete pass and a WASTED PLAY, essentially, as the odds of Peterman completing that pass were very low. It was a STUPID call. Next play, obvious passing situation, Peterman gets hit and fumbles and florida recovers. When it is 2nd and 8 deep in your own territory and you've got an inexperienced QB and inexperienced receivers, and when you desperately need a first down to give your defense some rest, why in the world are your trying a 30 yard sideline pass that has very little chance of success? Call a freakin' safe play that has a decent/good chance of getting 5 to 10 yards! Even if you get only 5 yards, you've got 3rd and 3 instead of 3rd and 8--more options! P. Manning and T. Brady have had Hall of Fame careers beating teams with the short-passing game--and yet in a big spot early in an SEC game, we have a nervous, inexperienced QB try a 30 yard pass that does nothing but create circumstances leading to a fumble on the next play! That is DUMB football. We cannot afford dumb decisions of any kind if we want to win. We need to play smart football--that's how you are competitive and win games when you don't have the greatest talent.

 

[sjt18]

Hindsight is definitely 20/20... but the playcalling was too risky with Peterman after he started making mistakes.

I respect Jones for making the decision. He is still responsible for the decision not working out... but it took some courage to make it. I'd rather have a coach willing to make a bad call than one afraid to make a call.

 

[VolsByNature]

I hate Vol fans

 

[calban]

Not sure if we have a coaching problem, but there may be a communication problem on the sideline.
If Lunquist knew Peterman had hurt his hand, why didn't Butch?
If Peterman was pulled after the interception early second quarter (pretty sure that's where he was damaged), we had a good chance of winning the game.
But as has has been mentioned, 'hindsight....'