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#126
#126
Reverend Bubba Flavel said:
First -

Starting Peterman was an absolutely terrible decision. And that is not based simply on the result of watching him.

Worley has the benefit of having some degree of experience. In addition, he started the Oregon game on the road. The sole benefit Tennessee has in playing Oregon is experience. And particularly experience at the QB position. So by starting Peterman you effectively neutralize the main advantage you had in playing Oregon in Eugene.
Plus - its either a horrible decision on its face - which it was proven to be, or it was an admission of terrible evaluation of QB talent. Either way - its the fault of coaches.

And do not blame this on the players. In the first half there was definitely no clear talent gap. If anything, it looked to me that Tennessee had better talent.

Plus - why the insistence on passing the ball or running on the edges so much? Our running game was not good tonight, but that is largely because of our reluctance to run between the tackles where we had some degree of success. Constantly running the read option that takes a day and a half to develop and then running to the corners over and over with limited success was so frustrating to watch. Its not as if I am saying that running up the middle every single time would have resulted in a win - but there is no doubt a better commitmment would have helped. And lining up behind the one strength we have - the OL - and hitting holes fast as opposed to the option would have resulted in a btter offensive performance.
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This is right on so many levels.

The decision to start Peterman was knee-jerk and stupid. It showed a complete lack of trust in your process and what you clearly saw over Spring and Camp.

Do not blame the players. Peterman should NEVER have been put in that situation. Worley might not even be Rick Clausen, but if we simply manage the game in the first quarter, we put Florida in a hole they could not recover from.

Instead, we give plenty of opportunities for their new QB to get settled and gain confidence. Muschamp called excellent game for his new QB. Unlike our staff.

I'm beginning to hate this slow as hell read option junk too. 65 Toss power trap baby. 65 Toss power trap.
 
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#127
#127
I'm still fully behind Coach Jones. I'm just demoralized at watching us - yet again - find new ways to lose games, especially to Florida. When the defense stiffens and makes a few stops, our offense falls apart and fumbles. When the offense shows some signs of life and actually scores, the defense starts missing tackles and blowing coverages. Hell, it's like the freakin' Twilight Zone around here because Palardy is our best and most consistent player.

The O-Line is playing very mediocre football at least in comparison to the hype about them being so experienced and the supposed "strength" of our team. The QB play has been atrocious. So much so that it reminds me of the bad days of Jonathan Crompton. Missing wide open receivers ... and when the throws are on target, the WRs drop them. No one gets open with consistency.

Turnovers ... turnovers ... turnovers. When we get them, we don't do anything with them. And we give it right back by throwing our own INTs or fumbling. Depressing.

I feel for Nate Peterman. Seems like a really good kid, but does anyone else get the impression like he just doesn't have the mental tools to run a big time college offense? I'm sure he's smart enough in other areas, but I just looked at him during the game and thought, "the lights are on, but no one is home."

And Justin Worley has the opposite issue: He seems to have a decent mental make-up but can't run or make the throws. Again, I think he seems like a decent young man, but not an SEC quarterback - at least not one that is going to help us win many SEC games.

I still think that we've got the right head coach, but I am demoralized - again - after yet another pathetic performance against Florida. Just like the 2001 SEC Championship Game, we made a back-up QB look like an all-American Heisman contender. Just an absolutely pathetic performance. It was an even mix of lacking talent and poor execution. I'll never run out on my Vols, but this is difficult to watch .... and we've been watching this for 9 years in a row now.
 
#128
#128
grace2u said:
This is an embarrassment that I blame on coaching. We don't look prepared or disciplined. We have no game plan. I am embarrassed by this performance.
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Every Sunday morning quarterback can lay every loss on coaching. Hindsight is 20:20. We could have called and all out blitz, QB sneak, or Hail Mary etc on every single play of the game, and not had any worse results. We lost.

Preparation and discipline. I feel like both have improved since over the last 2 seasons. Our guys did not appear intimidated and tight like usual against UF at home or on the road. I was impressed with that.

Florida simply has more and better athletes. Plain and simple. They have out recruited us for 7-8 years, and have only had one not-so traumatic HC change over that period. They are deeper and more stable than we are.

The game turned out about the score I expected.

Some things I question is our horrific edge defense that has somehow carried over again from last season. Starting NP was obviously an in-game mistake.

But, I was impressed with the leadership and confidence JW showed when finally given the reigns. That may pay off with an upset and success against the "even" matchups this year. I hope this is the turning point were Justin gets that killer instinct and plays to his potential.

Embarrassing? Yes, but nothing more than expected going in IMO.
 
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#129
#129
volswillrise12 said:
It's really tough to grade the WRs when we don't have a QB that can get them the ball behind a line that's obviously not as good as we thought. Last year, this same line could pass block for what I would say is a talented QB. Run blocking is and continues to not be our strength.
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I can grade Josh Smith. Not good
 
#131
#131
Two things stuck out to me about coaching:

Off - Peterman should have been pulled after second turnover he was clearly rattled. If CBJ had it to do over he would have.

DEF - We continue with bad schemes to control the edges at times and it kills us. Cost us a couple TDs today. It was an issue against Oregon and Florida exploited it today. Controlling the edge is about speed and we don't put our speed guys (db,lb) in position in the pre-snap to have a chance.

I still think CBJ is the man. QB play is our biggest killer right now. Worley has talent but is still indecisive. He started to come out of it some the second half.
 
#132
#132
livefaith said:
Every Sunday morning quarterback can lay every loss on coaching. Hindsight is 20:20. We could have called and all out blitz, QB sneak, or Hail Mary etc on every single play of the game, and not had any worse results. We lost.

Preparation and discipline. I feel like both have improved since over the last 2 seasons. Our guys did not appear intimidated and tight like usual against UF at home or on the road. I was impressed with that.

Florida simply has more and better athletes. Plain and simple. They have out recruited us for 7-8 years, and have only had one not-so traumatic HC change over that period. They are deeper and more stable than we are.

The game turned out about the score I expected.

Some things I question is our horrific edge defense that has somehow carried over again from last season. Starting NP was obviously an in-game mistake.

But, I was impressed with the leadership and confidence JW showed when finally given the reigns. That may pay off with an upset and success against the "even" matchups this year. I hope this is the turning point were Justin gets that killer instinct and plays to his potential.

Embarrassing? Yes, but nothing more than expected going in IMO.
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This, ladies and gentlemen, is how you disagree. It is cordial. There is no name-calling. Only a well-thought comment. Thank you for restoring my faith in our fans.

I agree with you. I think people took my comment the wrong way. My whole comment about the coaching referred to the shell-shocked first quarter, penalties where there had been none, and the disparity in talent/execution. However, it is the coaches' role to get the team mentally prepared and develop a plan based on strengths. For all I know, Butch is the guy. So far I like everything he has said/done. However, I got the impression that our staff was just as flustered as Peterman in their first SEC road game too.

I think it will get better. Heck. I still think we'll get someone we're not supposed to, but we looked unprepared tonight.
 
#133
#133
livefaith said:
Every Sunday morning quarterback can lay every loss on coaching. Hindsight is 20:20. We could have called and all out blitz, QB sneak, or Hail Mary etc on every single play of the game, and not had any worse results. We lost.

Preparation and discipline. I feel like both have improved since over the last 2 seasons. Our guys did not appear intimidated and tight like usual against UF at home or on the road. I was impressed with that.

Florida simply has more and better athletes. Plain and simple. They have out recruited us for 7-8 years, and have only had one not-so traumatic HC change over that period. They are deeper and more stable than we are.

The game turned out about the score I expected.

Some things I question is our horrific edge defense that has somehow carried over again from last season. Starting NP was obviously an in-game mistake.

But, I was impressed with the leadership and confidence JW showed when finally given the reigns. That may pay off with an upset and success against the "even" matchups this year. I hope this is the turning point were Justin gets that killer instinct and plays to his potential.

Embarrassing? Yes, but nothing more than expected going in IMO.
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^ This...should get more likes. Got mine. :hi:
 
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#135
#135
grace2u said:
This is an embarrassment that I blame on coaching. We don't look prepared or disciplined. We have no game plan. I am embarrassed by this performance.
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I am just curious. How did you feel about the coach and the team after our first two games? Especially after the game against Austin Peay when we had zero penalties? Many around here were stating how disciplined the team looked and how well that reflected on CBJ.
 
#139
#139
volberry said:
have to blame coaching. because uf is trying to hand us the game. vandy would be beating uf right now.
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Vandy got handed a ton of turnovers from UMass today and struggled to beat them. There is no way they would be beating Florida right now.

Why does everyone here think Vandy is good? They are not! Watch them play.
 
#141
#141
No depth
+ Lack of talent
+ Lack of speed
+ New offense
+ Freshman WR
+ 3rd defense in 4 years
+ 4th HC in 5 years
+ Armchair coaches
+ Unrealistic fan base

= Exactly what we just saw. None of this should be a surprise.
 
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#143
#143
I have family that graduated from LSU. This morning he was *****ing about the coaching down there. It was then I realized that every fan base has unrealistic and ungrateful asshat fans.
 
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#144
#144
Honestly I thought our defense looked better all game. They hung in there. Our offense didn't do them any favors. Maybin was a stud on special teams and will be a hell of a player. Sutton continues to impress. This team WILL get better. Hang in there everyone. Our defense will drive this team for the next 2-4 years as the offense catches up.
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#145
#145
HEY: Lets fire the Coaches. They have been here on the job for almost 9 months and can't turn around the 5 and 7s around. Hell yes! Fire them.

What dumb ass fans we have. I am going the quit reading the site until next year, when UT will hire some of the great coaches that post on this site. Then we will be winning by huge margins over all opponents. I know they can do it in less time than 9 months.

Discusted with what I read, but still A VOL!!!!!!
 
#146
#146
jeffmcflurry27 said:
No depth
+ Lack of talent
+ Lack of speed
+ New offense
+ Freshman WR
+ 3rd defense in 4 years
+ 4th HC in 5 years
+ Armchair coaches
+ Unrealistic fan base

= Exactly what we just saw. None of this should be a surprise.
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OP... For the sake of all that is Orange, read this post. If that doesn't explain why we lost I can't help you. Also, if you think we look undisciplined, go watch any game from last year. Night and day difference
 
#147
#147
rclaytons13 said:
I guess USC could make the same claim. You know no talent, not the coaches fault. You know I'm sure Louisville is full of five stars so that's why they are getting better. Boise State is also chalked full of those same five stars so that's why they are good also. Sometimes you have to coach up lesser talent. There is no way we should look this bad, we just shouldn't. Even if we had all 2 stars and walk-ons we still shouldn't look this bad. I'm not for Fire Butch but we should be capable of lining up and gaining positive yardage. Any D-1 school could have put points on the board where Florida turned it over at. Poor talent maybe, poor coaching definetly
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yeah Louisville has a Heisman trophy candidate at QB. Not to mention the League they play in.

Boise State has not been relevant for 3 years now, they play in a piss poor conference and do you actually think they won all those games without some sort of talent?
 
#148
#148
I have been underwhelmed by CBJ and his staff with the exception of a few bright spots on the defensive side of the ball. This is not to say that CBJ or his staff should be sent packing.

However, one thing has become painfully obvious; Tennessee lacks quality players and depth across the board! Our talent is woefully void of play makers.

One question that I have about CBJ and his zone read scheme is that he has chosen to run this scheme - this year. However the 2 qbs that he is relying have shown NO ability to run the zone-read. The zone-read is easy to defend when there is no run threat. So the question is why not use Fergie or Dobbs to run the zone-read since he is apparently hell bent to use this system this year? Perhaps neither Fergie or Dobbs is ready to play.

True Freshman QB's start all over the place these days in college and Tennessee has had their fair share of true freshman qbs including Peyton, Stewart, Ainge, Frazier, C Clausen.
 
#149
#149
carolinaviking said:
I am just curious. How did you feel about the coach and the team after our first two games? Especially after the game against Austin Peay when we had zero penalties? Many around here were stating how disciplined the team looked and how well that reflected on CBJ.
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If you give Butch credit for the discipline in the first two games, don't you have to give him the blame for the lack of discipline since then?
 
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