Colin Kaepernick sits during national anthem

[OrangeTsar]

I can't believe this tool is still making noise and anyone would actually consider him for an NFL job. I know if I was the GM or owner of an NFL team, I'd steer well clear of him just to keep from pissing off any fans if I could avoid it.

I would hire him jut for the entertainment value. People would flock to games just to see the comedy. Would be hilarious. Plus the team that signed him would be a lock for the top draft pick the next season

 

[VolStrom]

I would hire him jut for the entertainment value. People would flock to games just to see the comedy. Would be hilarious. Plus the team that signed him would be a lock for the top draft pick the next season

Is your last name Haslam?

 

[n_huffhines]

I would hire him jut for the entertainment value. People would flock to games just to see the comedy. Would be hilarious. Plus the team that signed him would be a lock for the top draft pick the next season

You think people are going to be comedically entertained by bad QB play? You can get that any Sunday of the year.

 

[allvol123]

Remember the part where I said perhaps ownership won't allow it? Nice circle we just did there. You realize the whole basis for this 6 year controversy is the allegation that ownership will not allow their teams to sign him, right?

It's possible he's a hypocrite, but it's also entirely possible that he's talking to ownership through the media, without explicitly calling them out.

I will go with the former, you take the latter.

 

[OrangeTsar]

You think people are going to be comedically entertained by bad QB play? You can get that any Sunday of the year.

But not to Kap levels

 

[n_huffhines]

I will go with the former, you take the latter.

That's convenient. I'll draw neither conclusion because I don't have enough information and I'm not leaping for the opportunity to pass judgment on somebody.

 

[n_huffhines]

But not to Kap levels
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OK, man. Maybe you should have used a hilarious reel of Kap clips to drive the point home.

 

[allvol123]

That's convenient. I'll draw neither conclusion because I don't have enough information and I'm not leaping for the opportunity to pass judgment on somebody.

Holler at me when you’ve got enough info and reached a decision.

 

[OrangeTsar]

OK, man. Maybe you should have used a hilarious reel of Kap clips to drive the point home.

Oh, thought that WAS Kap, sorry

 

[BreatheUT]

But not to Kap levels
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The team would be immediately dysfunctional. Then he would claim incessantly he's not getting a fair shot to start.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I love when people try to tell other people who are very successful in their field how they should be handling things that they only know a fraction about. It's great.

He's not much of a definition of success

 

[n_huffhines]

He's not much of a definition of success

???

He has a SB and 2 national titles.

 

[hog88]

The fact is if a GM/Owner thought Kap's upside was greater than his baggage and would help them get into the playoffs he would have been signed.

 

[85SugarVol]

The ship has sailed, but he was definitely good enough to play and he was definitely blackballed. Even if he's not a good starting QB, he was better than at least 2/3 of the guys on the bench. This is not debatable. He took his team to a SB. He was still fairly young. His stats in his final season were pretty solid, his team just really, really sucked. I mean, he was clearly better than the Blaine Gabbert on that same roster in the same situation, and BG is still in the NFL, just cashing checks as a truly terrible backup.

You see Mason Rudolph on an NFL roster as a 2nd stringer and really think that Kapernick wasn't good enough to be in the league? If you think that then you don't watch enough NFL.

In a vacuum, sure.

CK was good enough to be a backup QB, maybe even better than some starting QB.

He just wasn’t worth the trouble.

If he was a top 5 talent? Would have had multiple offers.

 

[n_huffhines]

In a vacuum, sure.

CK was good enough to be a backup QB, maybe even better than some starting QB.

He just wasn’t worth the trouble.

If he was a top 5 talent? Would have had multiple offers.

That's exactly what I'm saying. He was probably good enough to make every roster, but he didn't make any roster because he was too controversial.

 

[85SugarVol]

That's exactly what I'm saying. He was probably good enough to make every roster, but he didn't make any roster because he was too controversial.

I think we agree?

So who is to blame for his controversial status?

 

[hndog609]

The fact is if a GM/Owner thought Kap's upside was greater than his baggage and would help them get into the playoffs he would have been signed.

It's literally this simple. The juice isn't worth the squeeze or he'd be on a team.

 

[n_huffhines]

I think we agree?

So who is to blame for his controversial status?

The point of all of this is that he claims he was good enough to be in the NFL but he was excluded for his views. He can take all the blame for being too controversial, but the point remains...he was blackballed.

 

[85SugarVol]

The point of all of this is that he claims he was good enough to be in the NFL but he was excluded for his views. He can take all the blame for being too controversial, but the point remains...he was blackballed.

Do you believe if he was an MVP candidate he would have been signed?

 

[n_huffhines]

Do you believe if he was an MVP candidate he would have been signed?

Yes. Elite talent trumps all.

 

[85SugarVol]

Yes. Elite talent trumps all.

I agree. He would have gotten a job under that scenario.

 

[05_never_again]

The point of all of this is that he claims he was good enough to be in the NFL but he was excluded for his views. He can take all the blame for being too controversial, but the point remains...he was blackballed.

It isn't any different than any other roster decision. Deshaun Watson has even more baggage than Kap, but the league's evaluation of his talent is much different than Kap's, so he's on a roster.

Rightly or wrongly, Kap is deemed to have significant baggage. Hence, he needs to bring something significant to the table in order to outweigh (or at least even up) the baggage and make a roster. I think the beef you have with the whole Kap thing is that you don't think his baggage is as significant as many NFL owners/FO people think it is, but the logic that drives the decision on whether or not to roster him is the same as any other player's.

 

[85SugarVol]

Baggage to Talent ratio

 

[85SugarVol]

Dennis Rodman had significant baggage. He was also a significant talent.

 

[VolStrom]

The point of all of this is that he claims he was good enough to be in the NFL but he was excluded for his views. He can take all the blame for being too controversial, but the point remains...he was blackballed.

I've worked with a lot of various people over the years, and some were very good at their jobs, but were poison when they dealt with other people. CK wasn't black balled, he wasn't hired because he was poison, and he brought that on himself.