College football playoff

#26
#26
It really isn't about satisfying everybody. But the way it is now is just absurd. Voting people into a title game. Just too goofy to me.
 
#27
#27
allvol123 said:
It really isn't about satisfying everybody. But the way it is now is just absurd. Voting people into a title game. Just too goofy to me.
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You must have really loved it 10-12 years ago when 1 vs 2 rarely ever happened and the writers and coaches had ALL the power in determining the national title. As flawed as the BCS is, it is a million times better than what we had before.
 
#28
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GAVol said:
You must have really loved it 10-12 years ago when 1 vs 2 rarely ever happened and the writers and coaches had ALL the power in determining the national title. As flawed as the BCS is, it is a million times better than what we had before.
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I love college football in general. It is absolutely my favorite sport to watch. What they do or don't do want change my viewing habits. But no, I don't think it is a million times better. 2 teams get selected to play for a title, I don't see the true competition in that.
 
#29
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GAVol said:
You must have really loved it 10-12 years ago when 1 vs 2 rarely ever happened and the writers and coaches had ALL the power in determining the national title. As flawed as the BCS is, it is a million times better than what we had before.
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IMO a playoff would be a million times better than that. I love CFB it's just crazy to me that people think it's the one sport a playoff won't work, yet it works for pro, I-AA, DII and DIII.
 
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allvol123 said:
I love college football in general. It is absolutely my favorite sport to watch. What they do or don't do want change my viewing habits. But no, I don't think it is a million times better. 2 teams get selected to play for a title, I don't see the true competition in that.
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Before, 2 teams would play for the title. They just wouldn't play each other.
 
#32
#32
if you have too big of a playoff, you run the risk of a 2 or 3 loss team getting hot at the end of the year.

think about who that will probably be this year, and then reconsider a Large playoff.

This year, that team will be Michigan. they've been steadily improving ever since the ND game, and may win the big Televen.

Do we REALLY want to set up a scenario where we give Appalachian State a claim on Our National Championship?

The regular season NEEDS to mean everything to college football, and I like it that way. a Plus One would be perfect.
 
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VolFirebirds said:
if you have too big of a playoff, you run the risk of a 2 or 3 loss team getting hot at the end of the year.

think about who that will probably be this year, and then reconsider a Large playoff.

This year, that team will be Michigan. they've been steadily improving ever since the ND game, and may win the big Televen.

Do we REALLY want to set up a scenario where we give Appalachian State a claim on Our National Championship?

The regular season NEEDS to mean everything to college football, and I like it that way. a Plus One would be perfect.
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Since the Colts lost to the Texans last season they have a claim to the Super Bowl?
 
#37
#37
No I am not. People enjoy college football. It would take some real effing it up before people would tune away from it.
 
#38
#38
allvol123 said:
No I am not. People enjoy college football. It would take some real effing it up before people would tune away from it.
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You are the only person in this thread that has acted as if not despising the BCS indicates mental retardation.
 
#40
#40
If there were a 16 team playoff system the current bowls could be venues for those playoff games, thus the bigger bowl games would mean something instead of the way they are now with all bowl games other than the National title game meaning squat. That way the good ol' boy presidents and bowl daddys still get their giant paychecks.
 
#41
#41
the problem with a playoff as i see it is how do you determine who's in it?

the big gripe from av123 is "voting" teams to play in the NT game....and i agree to a certain extent.

but despite the bowl issues that are presented with a full play off, my biggest concern is how do you determine who gets in to a 8 or 16 team feild?

as some others have said, the regular season in college football is like no other regular season in major sports. every game does matter and we are in fact in the middle of a playoff right now.

look around the conferences....the SEC E is in a 4 team play off right now. the SEC W is in a 3 team play off right now. we are 7 weeks in to the season, and there are 7 of 12 teams still alive for the SEC Championship.

int he Big 10 you have have a 3 team play off for the title, in the pac 10 you have a 4 team play off for the title.

so in essence we have one right now, and we have already seen upsets galore this year that would rival any post season upset march madness could provide. We have several cinderellas in KY, SC, USF, Ill, and HA.

so again, the issue then goes back to how would you determine who gets in to the play off? top 8 or 16 in the BCS rankings? if so, then you'll always have #9 or #17 and beyond crying foul, with some justifialbe reason why they should be in.

as you said, it's a regular occurance for teams with the same record, but with a head to head win, be ranked LOWER than the team they beat, a la KY/LSU or Cal/UT last season or GA/TN this season...so that's not exactly fair now either. Plus then you have the issue of your regular rival games becoming less important because what does it matter if you lose one game, even to a FL, Bama, GA etc..so long as you get in to the playoffs?

two years ago, we swept FL in basketball in the regl season. they won the NT. now how important were those to regl season wins to us? how important were those losses to FL, it didn't affect anything post season wise. now imagine that happening in football.

there are only two playoff formats i'd be ok with.....one, just do the plus one at the end with the top 4 BCS games.

two being a 16 team playoff that consists of all 11 conf. champions, the highest ranked independent (if elligible) and 4 (or 5 if no independent is elligible) highest BCS ranked non conf. champions. this would still put a premium on the regular season, and winning your conf. championship. Winning the conf. should still be the 1st priority imo.

however, this scenario is highly unlikely to ever happen for many, many reasons.

the one that just makes the most sense is the plus one. the format is already there, as far as number of games to be played, the BCS, though not perfect, is, like it or not, much better than what we had before it.
 
#42
#42
hmanvolfan said:
If there were a 16 team playoff system the current bowls could be venues for those playoff games, thus the bigger bowl games would mean something instead of the way they are now with all bowl games other than the National title game meaning squat. That way the good ol' boy presidents and bowl daddys still get their giant paychecks.
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It's not anywhere near that simple. Even if it was, there wouldn't need to be 16 teams in the playoffs.
 
#43
#43
kptvol said:
It's not anywhere near that simple. Even if it was, there wouldn't need to be 16 teams in the playoffs.
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It really is that simple. Of course some work would have to be done to seed the teams,etc, etc. but that takes too long to type it all out and some self described experts would do a better job than me anyway.

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Wait a minute, the renowned BCS ranking system ranks teams beyond 16 and we're using that system to determine who is playing in the title game based on #1 vs #2, right? There's a job, the aforementioned seeding, that nobody else has to do. Everybody has been saying the BCS is a much better and acceptable way of doing things, right? And any school ranked above 16 griping about not getting in can be told "sorry, it's the computers fault." See, it's getting simpler all the time.
 
#46
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hmanvolfan said:
Yeah, I guess. When they expanded that damn basketball tournament to 64 it got way out of hand.
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I cannot think of a single year when, once the bowls were completed, four teams have had a legitimate argument that they should play for a National Championship. A 16 team field will get you a bunch of 2 loss teams. If you can't make it through the regular season with a single loss, tough luck.
 
#47
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hatvol96 said:
I cannot think of a single year when, once the bowls were completed, four teams have had a legitimate argument that they should play for a National Championship. A 16 team field will get you a bunch of 2 loss teams. If you can't make it through the regular season with a single loss, tough luck.
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I will concede that point, but we would've never had a Jim Valvano coached NC State champ or George Washington in the Final Four. Now that's interesting Cinderella theatre.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
I will concede that point, but we would've never had a Jim Valvano coached NC State champ or George Washington in the Final Four. Now that's interesting Cinderella theatre.
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You wouldn't get that in football. You'd get a bunch of 35-10 first round games. In a playoff, lesser teams would not get the advantage of catching a team looking ahead or being unfocused. All it would add is a weekend or two of mediocre games, played mostly by teams that hadn't earned the right to compete for the National Title. NC State won the ACC tounament to get into the field in 1983. George Mason was the Colonial regular season champ.
 
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hatvol96 said:
You wouldn't get that in football. You'd get a bunch of 35-10 first round games. In a playoff, lesser teams would not get the advantage of catching a team looking ahead or being unfocused. All it would add is a weekend or two of mediocre games, played mostly by teams that hadn't earned the right to compete for the National Title. NC State won the ACC tounament to get into the field in 1983. George Mason was the Colonial regular season champ.
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Sorta like the Michigan/ Appy State game.
 
#50
#50
if this was the year the BCS was finally used to seed an 8 team playoff.

Just how much excitement would national championship hopes add to our season and 30 other teams' seasons if they were still alive.
 
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