College graduate upset with first job experience

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Going off the rails a little bit arent we? Asking for enough pay to pay our bills with the ability to actually be home with our families is all they are talking about. No body wants to live at work 24/7 and nobody enjoys basing honestly a minimum of 5 days a week and probably 10 hours a day ( counting an hour travel time each way) around work. If its what you did and what works for you then great, but that doesnt mean it works for everyone. If its how you think someone should do it, because its how you did it, well thats a little selfish isnt it?

I don't much care what people choose to do for themselves but they have to live with the consequences of their actions. You want a job with limited work hours, either develop specialized skills that make you valuable and difficult to replace or expect to make less money and not be able to afford all the crap your favorite influencers are pumping into your feed.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I don't much care what people choose to do for themselves but they have to live with the consequences of their actions. You want a job with limited work hours, either develop specialized skills that make you valuable and difficult to replace or expect to make less money and not be able to afford all the crap your favorite influencers are pumping into your feed.

I'm not even talking about that though.
Yes, there are some entry level or low skill positions that are honestly made for high schoolers. However, I believe that if you look at a job description and read it and think to yourself I wouldn't trust a High schooler to do this then the employer is at need. Assuming the adult has the typical goal of raising a family, having kids etc.... then why is the employee the one who has to make all the sacrifices since the employer is the one in need?

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I think it's funny we were having this discussion and then thus pops up on my feed this morning. But this is the same thing the girl in the original video is saying.

 

[hog88]

Good thing she didn't join the military

Or grow up on a dairy farm.

 

[hog88]

Going off the rails a little bit arent we? Asking for enough pay to pay our bills with the ability to actually be home with our families is all they are talking about. No body wants to live at work 24/7 and nobody enjoys basing honestly a minimum of 5 days a week and probably 10 hours a day ( counting an hour travel time each way) around work. If its what you did and what works for you then great, but that doesnt mean it works for everyone. If its how you think someone should do it, because its how you did it, well thats a little selfish isnt it?

If you don't want to do that and I respect those that don't, find a job that meets your needs or start your own business. Don't get on the interweb and whine about it, do something about it.

 

[hog88]

I'm not even talking about that though.
Yes, there are some entry level or low skill positions that are honestly made for high schoolers. However, I believe that if you look at a job description and read it and think to yourself I wouldn't trust a High schooler to do this then the employer is at need. Assuming the adult has the typical goal of raising a family, having kids etc.... then why is the employee the one who has to make all the sacrifices since the employer is the one in need?

The larger the need of the employer the more they are willing to pay. If they aren't willing to pay what you think you're worth they really don't "need" you.

 

[WestTennesseeFox]

Nobody is forcing her to work there. I got sick of working for Morgan Keegan so I found a new job. I did not like the changes Experian made once they bought my former employer out so I started my own business. She is making the decision to work at a particular job in a particular city.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

The larger the need of the employer the more they are willing to pay. If they aren't willing to pay what you think you're worth they really don't "need" you.

Have you paid attention the last few years, I don't think this is true at all. Companies will low ball any and every one and then complain nobody wants to work while taking government money instead of having adequate staff and pay.

 

[WestTennesseeFox]

Have you paid attention the last few years, I don't think this is true at all. Companies will low ball any and every one and then complain nobody wants to work while taking government money instead of having adequate staff and pay.

That is not true at all.

 

[hog88]

Have you paid attention the last few years, I don't think this is true at all. Companies will low ball any and every one and then complain nobody wants to work while taking government money instead of having adequate staff and pay.

That is so far from the truth you couldn't be more wrong.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

That is not true at all.

That is so far from the truth you couldn't be more wrong.

Lol, have you tried to get a job in the last few years. Everyone has help wanted signs and nobody wants to even call to interview.
I know when I was looking 2 years ago I probably put in 50 applications, most jobs I was over qualified for and probably got 5 call backs.

 

[LouderVol]

That is so far from the truth you couldn't be more wrong.

not from the worker's experience.

pretty much every company is paying new employees more than they are their existing employees for the same job, experience, etc. Its an extremely common practice to have to jump between jobs to get a significant raise. It shouldn't be like that. thats the company low balling its current employees.

pretty much every company will try to increase your benefits or pay or try to keep you, when you try to leave. but if you try to negotiate at an end of the year review they will just flat reject. again lowballing.

You can also look at the requirements for hiring people, even my company does this. they want college kids who just graduated to have 2-5 years of experience for entry level positions. like entry entry level. thats the definition of low balling people.

 

[hog88]

Lol, have you tried to get a job in the last few years. Everyone has help wanted signs and nobody wants to even call to interview.
I know when I was looking 2 years ago I probably put in 50 applications, most jobs I was over qualified for and probably got 5 call backs.

No but I've done a lot of hiring and have had to raise wages significantly (on top of 100% paid insurance for employee and family) to attract talent.

There are limits to how much an employer can pay for non-essential positions and face it, if they can afford to keep the position vacant the position isn't essential.

 

[GVF]

Then, maybe log off the soul-suction of TikTok, uninstall Snapchat, go to bed on time, eat actual food, get an education, seek real-world experience in high school, find a career path in a field you enjoy, bust your ass, and contribute to society while taking care of your family in a profession that matters.

That makes you sound too realistic.

 

[hog88]

not from the worker's experience.

pretty much every company is paying new employees more than they are their existing employees for the same job, experience, etc. Its an extremely common practice to have to jump between jobs to get a significant raise. It shouldn't be like that. thats the company low balling its current employees.

pretty much every company will try to increase your benefits or pay or try to keep you, when you try to leave. but if you try to negotiate at an end of the year review they will just flat reject. again lowballing.

You can also look at the requirements for hiring people, even my company does this. they want college kids who just graduated to have 2-5 years of experience for entry level positions. like entry entry level. thats the definition of low balling people.

I've told you before, go out on your own.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

No but I've done a lot of hiring and have had to raise wages significantly (on top of 100% paid insurance for employee and family) to attract talent.

There are limits to how much an employer can pay for non-essential positions and face it, if they can afford to keep the position vacant the position isn't essential.

I thought you had mentioned before you were an owner. See you're looking at it from the other spectrum.

Of the 5 call backs I mentioned I got 3 interviews, on 2 where they asked what salary I wanted I put down exactly what they were advertising and when they made the offer they offered well under. The one I took was the highest of the 3 and within a year I had another offer and they ponied up more than my other offer to keep me, so it's not that they couldn't pay more originally they didn't want to.

Secondly you mention insurance premiums, and honestly I think if you ask most of the younger workforce they would rather you drop insurance and 401k and out that money to higher wages and let them find those things outside of their employer rather than them having to take what you offer

 

[hog88]

I thought you had mentioned before you were an owner. See you're looking at it from the other spectrum.

Of the 5 call backs I mentioned I got 3 interviews, on 2 where they asked what salary I wanted I put down exactly what they were advertising and when they made the offer they offered well under. The one I took was the highest of the 3 and within a year I had another offer and they ponied up more than my other offer to keep me, so it's not that they couldn't pay more originally they didn't want to.

Secondly you mention insurance premiums, and honestly I think if you ask most of the younger workforce they would rather you drop insurance and 401k and out that money to higher wages and let them find those things outside of their employer rather than them having to take what you offer

I'm a big proponent of dropping the employer provided health insurance system we have now. Drop that system and have everyone purchase their own insurance on the market and make premiums 100% deductible.

Of course employers want to pay as little as possible, it's no different than you wanting to pay as little as possible for the things you buy. But it sounds like it all worked out for you.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

I'm a big proponent of dropping the employer provided health insurance system we have now. Drop that system and have everyone purchase their own insurance on the market and make premiums 100% deductible.

Of course employers want to pay as little as possible, it's no different than you wanting to pay as little as possible for the things you buy. But it sounds like it all worked out for you.

I'm not saying it worked out well, I'm just biding my time until I can leave, but that's a whole other ball of wax.

As far as the insurance thing, my fear would be most companies would pocket that money in profit rather than investing it back into their employees.

 

[WestTennesseeFox]

Lol, have you tried to get a job in the last few years. Everyone has help wanted signs and nobody wants to even call to interview.
I know when I was looking 2 years ago I probably put in 50 applications, most jobs I was over qualified for and probably got 5 call backs.

No, I only had a senior management position with one of the largest employment services companies in the nation and have seen tens of millions of data points that refutes what you are saying.

 

[WestTennesseeFox]

Lol, have you tried to get a job in the last few years. Everyone has help wanted signs and nobody wants to even call to interview.
I know when I was looking 2 years ago I probably put in 50 applications, most jobs I was over qualified for and probably got 5 call backs.

If you are applying for a company that still thinks its 2019 or does not have the structure to efficiently attract new employees, you probably do not want to work for them long-term.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

No, I only had a senior management position with one of the largest employment services companies in the nation and have seen tens of millions of data points that refutes what you are saying.

Because data is never skewed to fit a narrative.

 

[WestTennesseeFox]

Because data is never skewed to fit a narrative.

Once again, you clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

 

[hog88]

I'm not saying it worked out well, I'm just biding my time until I can leave, but that's a whole other ball of wax.

As far as the insurance thing, my fear would be most companies would pocket that money in profit rather than investing it back into their employees.

Some would, no doubt about that. Others would reinvest that money into employees or growth which would lead to additional employees.

Not all employers are bad.

 

[n_huffhines]

Sadly, GenX did not know how to raise emotionally stable, well-adjusted children. These kids will not be able to defend the republic against China. They probably won't even try.

wtf

 

[n_huffhines]

It's the life that you and I know. This generation hates the idea of just working your life away. Can't really say I blame them. 5 day work week is kind of ass, especially if you have an actual job and are on your feet constantly. Some people just feel like there has to be more to life......I'm getting there


But no, people are discussing the 40 hour work week due to it sucking. It's not just because of this video.

Thanks Henry Ford.

Nah dude. You're wrong. There is only one way to live. There is only one level of commitment to your career. Other aspects of life do not matter. We gotta work 9 to 5 to defend the republic against China.

Nothing is more depressing than going to work when it's dark and getting off when it's dark. I didn't cry and put up a tiktok the first time I realized that was my life, but it sucks, and we don't have to accept that lifestyle.