College Hoops Around The Country [TN opponents, RPI, others]

[bleedingTNorange]

our only shot now is to win out and have florida lose again. Houston is a stone cold lock

Your definitive (incorrect) statements are among the more annoying things on this board

 

[VolCalls]

For where the Zags are typically ranked I'd say anything less than an Elite Eight is an early exit though. Maybe others don't agree on that.

He's an elite coach. But 24 seasons coaching with just 12 Sweet Sixteen appearances...means about half of his teams got bounced early in the tournament right? Which is what I said...

Mike Krzyzewski coached 47 seasons and only made the Sweet Sixteen 26 times (55%), so he's only marginally better than Few.

 

[VolCalls]

This is not how the committee looks at it exactly. They’ll look at the Quads and yes we would have more Q1 wins but they’ll look at the TOTAL Q1/Q2 wins together. They do it every year and use it as a reason why they did this and not that. As well as the bad losses (if any) in Q3/Q4. But it’s not about what we think should happen or what the right way to look at it should be, it’s about the people on the committee and what they will actually do. And when you have 2 teams that you’re comparing that would be as close to equal as it can get, they’re not gonna put 3 SEC teams on the 1-line especially over a Big 12 Champ that only lost 1 conference game. Like it or not, we can argue that all day long. Our fight is no longer with Houston unless they were to sleep walk in one of their games. It’s now with Florida and Bama (given that Houston wins out). Because I can almost guarantee you that committee has Houston ahead of Tennessee right this second.

I will bet any amount of money Houston has not passed us on the Committee's ranking. For Christ's sake they were #8 and we were #5 ten days ago, and nobody has lost since then. You people are out of your minds. #BVS

 

[VolCalls]

Technically it has in a "seed reveal". First four team football playoff TCU dropped from 2 to 5 after curb stomping their last two opponents. Yes, I know, wrong sport.

Right - you're comparing an apple to an orange.

 

[vol9799]

Your definitive (incorrect) statements are among the more annoying things on this board

Dang!! Given how many annoying things there are on VolNation (but it's still the best), that's almost like being called a UK fan.

 

[VolCalls]

Houston is now 24-4 and is 8-4 in Quad 1 games, they have 3 games left 2 of which will be Quad 1 games.

Vols are sitting at 22-5 and are 9-5 in Quad 1 games, we have 4 games left and 2 of them are Quad 1 games.

So we can finish 26-5 and 11-5 in Quad 1 wins, Houston can finish 27-4 and 10-4 in Quad 1 wins...maybe it's BVS, but I don't know that I'd trust us to get a 1 seed over them in that situation.

We just have to win out, if we do that it'll eliminate Alabama from the equation and it'll come down to us, Houston and Florida for the last 2 #1 seeds. Gators have 4 Quad 1 games left and 3 losses...if they lose a 4th we likely get the 1 seed over them.

Gators are 24-3 right now and 5-3 in Quad 1 wins, so if they lose at least 1 game they'll finish 27-4 and 8-4 in Quad 1 which likely won't be enough to finish with a higher seed than Vols with 11 quad 1 wins or Houston with 10.

At this point even though they have the better overall record, Florida has the smallest margin of error for the 1 seed. I really hope they go 2-2 to end the stretch, but even then I think we have to finish 4-0.

Selection Committee seed reveal on Feb. 15:

Vols 20-5, 8-5 in Quad 1 games. Houston 21-4, 6-4 in Quad 1 games. Vols ranked #5. Houston ranked #8

Since then:

Vols 2-0, 1-0 in Quad 1 games. Houston 3-0, 2-0 in Quad 1 games. Vols still ahead of Houston.

 

[VolCalls]

Agree likely Vols, bama, Florida for 1 spot. Take care of business and that should eliminate bama. I think vols will get it if Florida loses 1 more game.

Florida and Vols will both get a #1 seed if both win out. Both are ranked ahead of Houston.

 

[VolCalls]

our only shot now is to win out and have florida lose again. Houston is a stone cold lock

#BVS

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Two quick points:

1. If you need a couple beers to be calm enough to drive, you’ve got some really serious issues and probably need some actual medication and also shouldn’t have a license.

2. A couple of drinks won’t get you anywhere near the legal limit unless you’re a child (and a scrawny one at that).

3. (I know I said a couple, but I thought of one more.) A lot more people speed than are drinking and driving. It’s also a dangerous and selfish activity, but it’s not nearly as dangerous on a per instance basis as driving while intoxicated. The whataboutthat defense just doesn’t hold water.

1). Lots of people are medicated and are allowed to drive.

2). People are affected differently. 1 or 2 drinks definitely can get some near the legal limit.

3). Over 10k are killed annually due to speeding, but it’s not a problem?

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Selection Committee seed reveal on Feb. 15:

Vols 20-5, 8-5 in Quad 1 games. Houston 21-4, 6-4 in Quad 1 games. Vols ranked #5. Houston ranked #8

Since then:

Vols 2-0, 1-0 in Quad 1 games. Houston 3-0, 2-0 in Quad 1 games. Vols still ahead of Houston.

Means nothing though, as pointed out the selection committee can change things on selection Sunday if they want. It's all pretty subjective.

Joe Lundardi has Bama as a 1 seed still and they just went 1-2. Good we're 5 though, rather be sitting there than 8, but still think we have to finish 4-0 to have a legit shot at a 1 seed.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Mike Krzyzewski coached 47 seasons and only made the Sweet Sixteen 26 times (55%), so he's only marginally better than Few.

Didn't realize a user with "Vol" in their name would be this hard up for Mark Few....Coach K has 5 national championships, Few has 0.

Big jumps in logic to try and win arguments that aren't even being made is kind of dumb. Few has made 24 NCAA tournaments and is 43-24 with 2 final fours, he's absolutely a great coach. But 11 of those 24 appearances he only won 2 games and was bounced early. That's a true statement regardless of trying to compare him to Coach K, arguably the greatest college basketball coach of all time.

So in 45.8% of his NCAA tournaments Mark Few/Gonzaga had early exits...

Rick Barnes at TN has made 6 NCAA tournaments and in 3 of them reached the Sweet Sixteen or Elite Eight. But he's a "choke artist" and can't win in March... Does that extra 3.2% success rate mean Mark Few really is elite, I mean you said yourself 67 teams get bounced every year...

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Come on. You cannot be serious. Mark Few took a nothing program to essentially a blue blood - other than Dan Monson’s one tournament run to the elite 8. Few has always scheduled tough OOC opponents every year. And his tourney record is amazing. You’re a good dude. Please tell me you are joking.

You can absolutely not even enter the conversation for being a blue blood unitil you have won at least a National Championship.
Like us and and a lot of schools on the come up, they are new blood, not a blue blood.

 

[BallerVolFan]

Funny, last night I was getting scolded for suggesting Houston has the inside track on a 1-seed. Guess my opinion wasn’t so crazy after all

History has to be factored into it. The selection committee never sticks to the same principle and metrics to decide who is above who. They will use the same Resume and Predictive metrics from the team sheets to evaluate teams but they can and will use certain metrics to justify their reasonings even though it may not make sense when other metrics go against their reasonings. It’s not necessarily about what should happen but what we should expect the committee to actually do. I would definitely not be shocked if Houston is a lock for a 1-seed if they win out.

 

[VolCalls]

Didn't realize a user with "Vol" in their name would be this hard up for Mark Few....Coach K has 5 national championships, Few has 0.

Big jumps in logic to try and win arguments that aren't even being made is kind of dumb. Few has made 24 NCAA tournaments and is 43-24 with 2 final fours, he's absolutely a great coach. But 11 of those 24 appearances he only won 2 games and was bounced early. That's a true statement regardless of trying to compare him to Coach K, arguably the greatest college basketball coach of all time.

So in 45.8% of his NCAA tournaments Mark Few/Gonzaga had early exits...

Rick Barnes at TN has made 6 NCAA tournaments and in 3 of them reached the Sweet Sixteen or Elite Eight. But he's a "choke artist" and can't win in March... Does that extra 3.2% success rate mean Mark Few really is elite, I mean you said yourself 67 teams get bounced every year...

No argument here. Just a spirited discussion.

 

[VolCalls]

Means nothing though, as pointed out the selection committee can change things on selection Sunday if they want. It's all pretty subjective.

Joe Lundardi has Bama as a 1 seed still and they just went 1-2. Good we're 5 though, rather be sitting there than 8, but still think we have to finish 4-0 to have a legit shot at a 1 seed.

If both Tennessee and Houston win out in the regular season the only rational excuse the Committee has for moving Houston ahead of us on Selection Sunday would be if we lost our first game in the SECT and they win the Big 12 Tournament. We were a full three places ahead of them last week on the S-Curve and have kept winning since then. Plus, we play in the nation's best conference. The precedent has been set by having us three spots ahead of them - if both teams win out and Houston jumps us the Committee Chair will have significant explaining to do when put in front of the CBS cameras after the bracket is revealed.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

No argument here. Just a spirited discussion.

Yeah, Mark Few is a great coach end of the day. But I also think Gonzaga gets overrated a lot because they usually dominate the WCC so it is funny to see them get a high preseason ranking and now be unranked.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

If both Tennessee and Houston win out in the regular season the only rational excuse the Committee has for moving Houston ahead of us on Selection Sunday would be if we lost our first game in the SECT and they win the Big 12 Tournament. We were a full three places ahead of them last week on the S-Curve and have kept winning since then. Plus, we play in the nation's best conference. The precedent has been set by having us three spots ahead of them - if both teams win out and Houston jumps us the Committee Chair will have significant explaining to do when put in front of the CBS cameras after the bracket is revealed.

Yeah true...if the argument becomes Houston vs Vols and both teams have won out then I totally see the case for us getting in. My biggest worry is will the committee decide 3 SEC teams is too many for the 1 seeds and then someone is replaced by Houston for that reason? Because then the discuss is Florida OR Tennessee more than us or Houston.

So really I think Houston is in a better position than the Vols to get a 1 seed at this point. They're going to win their regular season (might have actually wrapped that up last night) and they now have 3 games left and none of them are currently ranked.

 

[TheMookieMonster]

Just pointing out that Lunardi, the mouthpiece for the Selection Committee, who had us as #5 on the seed list for the last 2 weeks has now jumped Houston above us and we’ve fallen to #6. So, everyone saying “no way Houston jumps us if we win out” should re-evaluate that.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Just pointing out that Lunardi, the mouthpiece for the Selection Committee, who had us as #5 on the seed list for the last 2 weeks has now jumped Houston above us and we’ve fallen to #6. So, everyone saying “no way Houston jumps us if we win out” should re-evaluate that.

Yeah since the 15th reveal Houston has won at Arizona beat Iowa State and won at Texas Tech. All 3 of those were top 15 AP teams when they played

We've only beaten Vandy and at A&M since the reveal, but I think if we win out the wins over Bama at Ole Miss should be enough to put us back up for a 1 seed (since we'd be beating Bama a current 1 seed)