Colorado discussing move to Big 12

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volbound1700 said:
Funny that after a decade, they are going back to their original league. Wasn't Colorado the first school to even leave the Big12 and start the realignment mess?
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Yep. The initial talks that started everything were the Big 10 discussions with Nebraska and Missouri, but Colorado was the first to bolt - almost immediately after receiving an invitation from the then-PAC-10.
 
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WillisWG said:
Nebraska and Colorado moved in 2011 not sure who was 1st
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Colorado was first. They received word that they had been voted into the then-PAC-10 right before Nebraska got said vote from the Big Ten. That said, the movement on Colorado’s end was extremely quick.
The entire Big 12 knew the Big 10 was considering adding either Nebraska or Missouri as far back as April of that year, and they voted on accepting the new member in June. Meanwhile, the Pac-10 authorized their commissioner to issue Colorado (and 5 other Big 12 schools that they had interest) invitations on June 7…and announced on June 10 that Colorado had accepted.
 
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The B1G should have taken Missouri with Nebraska. I don't understand that move. Missouri is more valuable than Rutgers.
 
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Hyperion said:
Interesting move as both the Pac 12 and Big 12 don't appear to be great places to be for the long term. I wonder if Nebraska wants to come back to the Big 12 now that Texas will be gone. Surely they realize by now that the Big 10 isn't home.
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They're crying all the way to the bank.
 
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bamawriter said:
The Big XII will be fine as a top also-ran conference. The Pac is in deep trouble.



Not a chance. The gap in revenue is way too vast.
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Money isn't everything. Nebraska isn't in a great position to compete in the Big 10. In the Big 10 they really lack a recruiting territory. I think they finally made a good hire in Rhule so hopefully that can get them on the right track.
 
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volbound1700 said:
They wanted California recruits but they lost connections to Texas which hurt their program. Nebraska had similar issues. Nebraska should have just negotiated to get annual game with OU.
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That wasn’t really the issue. The problem at the time was the Big 12’s then-revenue-sharing-structure.

Rather than equally splitting everything among all the teams (like the SEC, Big 10, and ACC did), the Big 12 had an unequal revenue sharing set up that was kind of weird (it was a sort of odd set up; that year’s performances in sports weighed heavily in determining the amounts but somehow it also factored together in a way to essentially keep the conference’s biggest brands on or near the top…their system was lucrative enough to those bigger brand teams that Texas, Texas A&M, Nebraska, and Oklahoma all voted against equal revenue distribution in 2008).
The set up left Colorado consistently in the bottom half receiving conference revenue: when they moved they went from receiving the 7th ($9.7M) and 10th ($8M) in the conference’s shared revenue each year to receiving $19M, $21M, $25M, and $28M in yearly shared revenue

Nebraska’s move, though, was entirely about getting more money. Moving to the Big 10 took them from receiving only around $9M a year from their conference to receiving $22M, $29M, $33M, and $48M in yearly conference shared revenue.
 
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WillisWG said:
Yep. Two fairly matched programs. 56-54-9 119 games played but not one since 2011. Expansion has destroyed many rival games.
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It’s 120 straight meetings was also the second longest continuously played rivalry game at the time when it ended.

Missouri did reach out to them when they left the conference in 2011 to continue playing the game, but Kansas pretty much followed Texas’s lead in how it responded to Texas A&M making a similar gesture (ie, “no”).
 
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Good grief, Colorado's record in the PAC-12 is/was horrible. Yeah, Deion has his work cut out for him in whatever conference they're in. This isn't a huge get right now IMO...
 
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TrueOrange said:
That wasn’t really the issue. The problem at the time was the Big 12’s then-revenue-sharing-structure.

Rather than equally splitting everything among all the teams (like the SEC, Big 10, and ACC did), the Big 12 had an unequal revenue sharing set up that was kind of weird (it was a sort of odd set up; that year’s performances in sports weighed heavily in determining the amounts but somehow it also factored together in a way to essentially keep the conference’s biggest brands on or near the top…their system was lucrative enough to those bigger brand teams that Texas, Texas A&M, Nebraska, and Oklahoma all voted against equal revenue distribution in 2008).
The set up left Colorado consistently in the bottom half receiving conference revenue: when they moved they went from receiving the 7th ($9.7M) and 10th ($8M) in the conference’s shared revenue each year to receiving $19M, $21M, $25M, and $28M in yearly shared revenue

Nebraska’s move, though, was entirely about getting more money. Moving to the Big 10 took them from receiving only around $9M a year from their conference to receiving $22M, $29M, $33M, and $48M in yearly conference shared revenue.
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Agree but they lost their recruiting grounds and suffered on the field.
 
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volbound1700 said:
It doesn't make sense financially but adding Oklahoma State and Kansas would solve rivalry issues and have other benefits for SEC. Kansas doesn't add much in Football but man would it help SEC in the sport it seems to struggle with the most (Men's Basketball). Oklahoma State is an all-around great sports program and that gives OU an end of year rivalry game.

Kansas-Missouri would be another end of year rivalry that would be solved by adding them. Kansas-Kentucky would be an awesome Basketball rivalry.
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The question is would Kansas leave Kansas State?
 
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volbound1700 said:
The B1G should have taken Missouri with Nebraska. I don't understand that move. Missouri is more valuable than Rutgers.
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I think this was originally discussed when Nebraska was leaving but Missouri’s academics were not on par with what the Big 10 wanted. They also didn’t have a 14th team initially and didn’t want an uneven numbers of teams. Then the SEC went after Missouri.
 
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TrueOrange said:
It’s 120 straight meetings was also the second longest continuously played rivalry game at the time when it ended.

Missouri did reach out to them when they left the conference in 2011 to continue playing the game, but Kansas pretty much followed Texas’s lead in how it responded to Texas A&M making a similar gesture (ie, “no”).
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Damn math
 
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volbound1700 said:
It doesn't make sense financially but adding Oklahoma State and Kansas would solve rivalry issues and have other benefits for SEC. Kansas doesn't add much in Football but man would it help SEC in the sport it seems to struggle with the most (Men's Basketball). Oklahoma State is an all-around great sports program and that gives OU an end of year rivalry game.

Kansas-Missouri would be another end of year rivalry that would be solved by adding them. Kansas-Kentucky would be an awesome Basketball rivalry.
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Kansas and Tennessee have also had some epic basketball games and Barnes versus Self is a Hall Of Fame coaching match up.
 
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The PAC has no one to blame but themselves. They ****ed up. They had a perfect opportunity to take their 12 teams and the Big 12’s 8 to form the Big PAC and have a 20 team super conference. Instead they had inept leadership, slow played their media rights deal and now it will disband within 3 years
 
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Washington State and Oregon State have to be freaking out. Cal/Stanford will get a Big Ten invite with their academics and to pair with USC/UCLA. Arizona/Arizona State/Utah will pair nicely with BYU and Colorado and give the Big 12 sixteen teams. Oregon/Washington are too big of brands to not land somewhere. But Washington State and Oregon? They might get left behind.
 
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zjcvols said:
Washington State and Oregon State have to be freaking out. Cal/Stanford will get a Big Ten invite with their academics and to pair with USC/UCLA. Arizona/Arizona State/Utah will pair nicely with BYU and Utah and give the Big 12 sixteen teams. Oregon/Washington are too big of brands to not land somewhere. But Washington State and Oregon? They might get left behind.
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B12 is gonna have to go to 20 or 24 teams.

In the end, the only major players left standing are gonna be the SEC, B10, and whoever else can pull it together

ACC is gasping for air and will eventually be cannibalized by the two bigger leagues

B12 will pick up whatever stragglers are left from the Pac and ACC. There may be some sort of football only associations for some schools with the Pac still functioning for BB, etc

In the bitter end, there are only gonna be 3 conferences for FB
 
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stolitonic said:
B12 is gonna have to go to 20 or 24 teams.

In the end, the only major players left standing are gonna be the SEC, B10, and whoever else can pull it together

ACC is gasping for air and will eventually be cannibalized by the two bigger leagues

B12 will pick up whatever stragglers are left from the Pac and ACC. There may be some sort of football only associations for some schools with the Pac still functioning for BB, etc

In the bitter end, there are only gonna be 3 conferences for FB
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I think 4, 18 or 20 team super conferences is what will happen. I think the ACC can survive as long as they don’t lose Clemson and/or convince Notre Dame join full time (which I think has to happen at some point). They also could pull Liberty, South Florida Florida Atlantic and UConn at anytime. Plus, I believe a strong offer to West Virginia could help replenish any teams leaving (Like if the SEC poached Miami and Florida State, which I think could happen).
 
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The writing was on the wall once USC and UCLA decided to leave. The PAC-12 may still be a conference after everyone jumps ship and they merge with one of the other Group of 5 conferences but they will not be considered part of the Power 5 in the future imo.
 
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