Colorado Postgame Report

[BruinVol]

And I think most agree he doesn’t need 35mpg either, but do you think he should be under 20mpg, that was the OP?

I’ll wait to see more before answering that
my guess is right now he settles into that 18-22min a game pattern

 

[gainesvol82]

I agree with that but I do agree with him saying Bailey should play less and the frosh play more

Why? Bailey is a significant threat on the perimeter. Fulky will draw double teams and if JJJ, Springer or Keon can penetrate then who does the defense leave open, Santi or Bailey? Either of then are lethal.

Bailey also has a very quick shot. I want him playing 25 mins a game. I think he can be a more consistent Bowden.

 

[BruinVol]

Why? Bailey is a significant threat on the perimeter. Fulky will draw double teams and if JJJ, Springer or Keon can penetrate then who does the defense leave open, Santi or Bailey? Either of then are lethal.

Bailey also has a very quick shot. I want him playing 25 mins a game. I think he can be a more consistent Bowden.

I want to see Keon, springer, Bailey and SV all about 20min give or take a few

JJJ needs to be the one slightly higher around 25 imo

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

I’ll wait to see more before answering that
my guess is right now he settles into that 18-22min a game pattern

Bailey will get less and less as the season goes I think. I think Vescovi's minutes are going to drop some too from the 1st game. I still contend that JJJ/Keon/Springer have the potential to be the best perimeter defensive trio in the country when on the floor together. So far our offense has looked best when Vescovi and JJJ are on the floor together.

 

[therickbol]

Bailey will get less and less as the season goes I think. I think Vescovi's minutes are going to drop some too from the 1st game. I still contend that JJJ/Keon/Springer have the potential to be the best perimeter defensive trio in the country when on the floor together. So far our offense has looked best when Vescovi and JJJ are on the floor together.

I think you are way off on Bailey. You made it sound like he was nowhere close to Bowden. I disagree. I don't see huge difference between what they bring to the table. I really liked Bowden. I saw Bailey defend at similar level and he is a spot up shooter like Bowden. Didn't notice his catch and shoot inside the 3pt line on those curl screens so maybe that is one thing he doesn't bring. But it's really too hard to tell because it was 1 game. You are either too low on Bailey or too high on Bowden if you think there is a massive difference between the two of them. From your other posts, it appears to be more of you being too low on Bailey. He is probably around a 25 min per game player once we settle into a normal rotation.

 

[gainesvol82]

I want to see Keon, springer, Bailey and SV all about 20min give or take a few

JJJ needs to be the one slightly higher around 25 imo

It's nice to have the perimeter depth to be even having the discussion. I really wish we had one more high level big to rotate. Olivier and/or Uros need to progress for us to hit our ceiling. 4-8 points, 5 rebounds and some inside defensive presence from either will get it done. Luckily JJJ is able to compensate on the rebounding.

I don't like being one injury or quarantine away from not having inside depth.

 

[gainesvol82]

I think you are way off on Bailey. You made it sound like he was nowhere close to Bowden. I disagree. I don't see huge difference between what they bring to the table. I really liked Bowden. I saw Bailey defend at similar level and he is a spot up shooter like Bowden. Didn't notice his catch and shoot inside the 3pt line on those curl screens so maybe that is one thing he doesn't bring. But it's really too hard to tell because it was 1 game. You are either too low on Bailey or too high on Bowden if you think there is a massive difference between the two of them. From your other posts, it appears to be more of you being too low on Bailey. He is probably around a 25 min per game player once we settle into a normal rotation.

Agree completely. I think he can be a more consistent version of Bowden. We'll find out as the season progresses but I think he gets around 25 mins pg.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I’ll wait to see more before answering that
my guess is right now he settles into that 18-22min a game pattern

Seems like even 18-22mpg would be quite a bit more than previously thought

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Bailey will get less and less as the season goes I think. I think Vescovi's minutes are going to drop some too from the 1st game. I still contend that JJJ/Keon/Springer have the potential to be the best perimeter defensive trio in the country when on the floor together. So far our offense has looked best when Vescovi and JJJ are on the floor together.

The hot offensive start included those 2 AND Bailey on the floor, along with Pons and Fulk, the starting 5. Bailey had the second highest plus/minus on the time, behind Fulk.

 

[therickbol]

The hot offensive start included those 2 AND Bailey on the floor, along with Pons and Fulk, the starting 5. Bailey had the second highest plus/minus on the time, behind Fulk.

Barnes chose to match VB up on Colorado's unquestionable best offensive player (and he defended him very well) but Pulaski questions his defensive ability. Seems legit?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Barnes chose to match VB up on Colorado's unquestionable best offensive player (and he defended him very well) but Pulaski questions his defensive ability. Seems legit?

He made bold comments about Bailey all offseason, I get not wanting to do a 180 off one game but failing to acknowledge that he brought something more than expected to the table is a bit stubborn on his part.

 

[wtmvol]

Provide evidence or I'm calling complete bs on this. I watched the entire game, and the reffing was terrible. However, there was definitely not a charging call with, "no contact at all."

Colin is absolutely correct. It was atrocious. It was the play where Vescovi got hit by Keon. They called a charge on that play. The Colorado player never even made contact with the Tennessee player (I think it was Fulky). It might have been the worst call I've seen in quite some time.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

I think you are way off on Bailey. You made it sound like he was nowhere close to Bowden. I disagree. I don't see huge difference between what they bring to the table. I really liked Bowden. I saw Bailey defend at similar level and he is a spot up shooter like Bowden. Didn't notice his catch and shoot inside the 3pt line on those curl screens so maybe that is one thing he doesn't bring. But it's really too hard to tell because it was 1 game. You are either too low on Bailey or too high on Bowden if you think there is a massive difference between the two of them. From your other posts, it appears to be more of you being too low on Bailey. He is probably around a 25 min per game player once we settle into a normal rotation.

Maybe, I just see him as the weakest of the 5 perimeter players thus in the end he's going to get less minutes and less shots. Bowden is one of the best on the ball defenders that we ever put on the floor, I don't think Bailey will avg 10 a game his career here and I don't see him ever being the defensive player Bowden was. I in no way see him putting up 13 ppg this year.

 

[BruinVol]

Seems like even 18-22mpg would be quite a bit more than previously thought

Correct at least by myself

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

The hot offensive start included those 2 AND Bailey on the floor, along with Pons and Fulk, the starting 5. Bailey had the second highest plus/minus on the time, behind Fulk.

Bailey is the weakest of the 5 perimeter guys, his minutes will drop slowly as the year goes by. Come tournament time I just don't see him getting those minutes.

 

[wtmvol]

I re-watched the game this morning (thanks @Freak ). I specifically looked at who was matched up with Wright. I didn't log it by minutes, but I'd guess Bailey was far and away the minutes leader guarding him. I didn't realize that Wright played all 40 minutes. Before I break it down, I'd say no one did a poor job on him, especially considering several of our guys are freshmen in their first game, and he's an upperclassman. It was clear as day Barnes stressed that if Colorado was going to win the game, it wasn't going to be because of Wright. There was almost always help waiting around the corner if Wright drove. Pons was usually that guy. They were also pressuring him full court a lot and face guarding when he didn't have the ball. Wright had to have been frustrated by the end of the game.

Here is more of a breakdown of how it shook out:

In the 1st half, Bailey started out on him.
When Keon came in, he took a turn
Then when Springer checked in, he got his chance. He got burned once and Barnes immediately went back to Bailey on the next possession
Keon had next crack. He got lost and I think forgot he was guarding him and left him wide open. That eventually led to Keon being out of position on a switch, leaving his feet and allowing I think Horne to go right to the rim. Barnes was furious.
After that play, Barnes went right back to Bailey for the remainder of the half, except for 1 possession where Vescovi took him, but that might have been because of a switch

In the 2nd half, Barnes switched it up even more. At one point, Josiah James and Keon alternated about every 1-2 possessions guarding Wright. In all in the 2nd half, I counted 10 changes in who guarded Wright. But in the last 5 minutes, it was almost exclusively Bailey on him. Again, no one did a poor job, but Bailey was consistent all night. I saw him get beat once by Wright which led to a foul, but other than that there was really nothing to speak of. For those wondering why Bailey got so many minutes, I'd guess it was for this exact reason. Yeah, he hit some 3's which was awesome. But we know Barnes emphasizes defense, and he clearly trusted Bailey over his young guys in this matchup. Bailey's minutes will obviously go down quite a bit from 35 as the freshmen get more experience against high major talent, but after a 2nd watch, I came away very impressed with his overall game.

 

[wtmvol]

Oh, and one more thing I saw that kind of drove me nuts (other than the officiating, lol)... on one play in the 2nd half, JJJ turned down a wide open 3 from a kick-out pass from down low (you know, the ones that get you in perfect shooting rhythm...) to pass it to Pons who was guarded in the corner. I saw some signs of improvement from him, like the very 1st play where he just caught and shot without hesitation, the put-back and-1, and even the drive to the rim near the end of the game where he missed the layup. It doesn't even bother me that he missed that. I was just glad to see him be assertive near the end of the game and try to make something happen. But that 1 play just demonstrated old patterns and habits to me. He's got to shoot that shot!

 

[golfballs]

I thought Bailey looked solid. Should be a good role player for us. I don’t think it’s a bold prediction that his minutes will decrease from the 35 he had. Especially as Keon and Jaden continue to acclimate

 

[zjcvols]

Oh, and one more thing I saw that kind of drove me nuts (other than the officiating, lol)... on one play in the 2nd half, JJJ turned down a wide open 3 from a kick-out pass from down low (you know, the ones that get you in perfect shooting rhythm...) to pass it to Pons who was guarded in the corner. I saw some signs of improvement from him, like the very 1st play where he just caught and shot without hesitation, the put-back and-1, and even the drive to the rim near the end of the game where he missed the layup. It doesn't even bother me that he missed that. I was just glad to see him be assertive near the end of the game and try to make something happen. But that 1 play just demonstrated old patterns and habits to me. He's got to shoot that shot!

JJJ doesn’t have good instincts on offense. He was late on a couple passes in my rewatching of the game when they went zone that could have lead to open shots

 

[therickbol]

Bailey is the weakest of the 5 perimeter guys, his minutes will drop slowly as the year goes by. Come tournament time I just don't see him getting those minutes.

Just slight correction...IN YOUR OPINION Bailey is the weakest of the 5 perimeter guys. Just got clarity sake I thought I would bring up. Your statement was presented as a fact. It is far from a fact. The person who has the most evidence (Barnes) of who the best players are in the team has a different opinion than you. He clearly trusts Bailey. I know when you draw a line in the sand about an evaluation of a player it is easy to be stubborn about it. It is hard to admit a possible mistake. But the good news is that you can admit it and hang your hat on the idea that you formed that opinion with very little evidence. You didn't actually see him play last season. It was a lot of guesswork. The evidence of Barnes opinion and his 1st game this season say your guesswork was possibly incorrect. No shame in that. It is also obvious the young guys, moreso KJ, will take some of his minutes once he is more comfortable. KJ has a much higher ceiling. He is elite. So his 35 minutes will settle into 22-25 probably. The difference between his defense and Bowden's defense is not nearly as much as you make it out to be, imo.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

Just slight correction...IN YOUR OPINION Bailey is the weakest of the 5 perimeter guys. Just got clarity sake I thought I would bring up. Your statement was presented as a fact. It is far from a fact. The person who has the most evidence (Barnes) of who the best players are in the team has a different opinion than you. He clearly trusts Bailey. I know when you draw a line in the sand about an evaluation of a player it is easy to be stubborn about it. It is hard to admit a possible mistake. But the good news is that you can admit it and hang your hat on the idea that you formed that opinion with very little evidence. You didn't actually see him play last season. It was a lot of guesswork. The evidence of Barnes opinion and his 1st game this season say your guesswork was possibly incorrect. No shame in that. It is also obvious the young guys, moreso KJ, will take some of his minutes once he is more comfortable. KJ has a much higher ceiling. He is elite. So his 35 minutes will settle into 22-25 probably. The difference between his defense and Bowden's defense is not nearly as much as you make it out to be, imo.

You seem to value Barnes opinion, my evaluation about Bowden's defense comes from what Barnes has said in the past. I think Coach rewarded Bailey for his hard work the last year this past Tuesday. I also feel that 2 potential lottery picks are not going to set the bench to a decent spot up 3 point shooter. What makes you think he's anything other than a spot up guy based on Tuesdays performance?

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

JJJ doesn’t have good instincts on offense. He was late on a couple passes in my rewatching of the game when they went zone that could have lead to open shots

You should go back and watch, JJJ is the one doing most of the communication on the offensive end. His basketball IQ is one of his best attributes, his instincts are fine, your assessment is wrong I feel.

 

[therickbol]

You seem to value Barnes opinion, my evaluation about Bowden's defense comes from what Barnes has said in the past. I think Coach rewarded Bailey for his hard work the last year this past Tuesday. I also feel that 2 potential lottery picks are not going to set the bench to a decent spot up 3 point shooter. What makes you think he's anything other than a spot up guy based on Tuesdays performance?

Based on current evidence, "James" Springer (lol at our paid commentator that doesn't know our players names) has a long ways to go to be a lottery pick. If he plays up to that level, then I agree with you that Bailey will certainly see a bigger decrease in minutes. Springer did not show he is near that level yet. Outside of hitting 2 open 3s he did not standout. He did not "pop" off the screen like KJ. I think Springer will turn out to be a great player eventually.

 

[PulaskiVolFan]

Based on current evidence, "James" Springer (lol at our paid commentator that doesn't know our players names) has a long ways to go to be a lottery pick. If he plays up to that level, then I agree with you that Bailey will certainly see a bigger decrease in minutes. Springer did not show he is near that level yet. Outside of hitting 2 open 3s he did not standout. He did not "pop" off the screen like KJ. I think Springer will turn out to be a great player eventually.

I think Springer is going to be the exact type guard we need to win tournaments. He's a physical athletic kid, much more physical than any of our guards outside of JJJ. Tuesday was the 1st time I saw him play, while his numbers were not great I came away much more impressed with his production in limited minutes as that of Bailey getting the most minutes of the night. I really like Springer, more so than both Bailey and Vescovi in the long run.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Bailey is the weakest of the 5 perimeter guys, his minutes will drop slowly as the year goes by. Come tournament time I just don't see him getting those minutes.

Most definitely not