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chattavol420 said:
Oh me either. Apparently he was a great coach and representative of our program. I guess we have him to partly blame for all the success we've experienced these past few years....




Because I have a feeling he won't understand the concept of sarcasm... I'll go ahead and spell it out. I'm joking. He sucked!
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Never said he was a great coach or a great person, just that he wasn't what you said he was. He was better at his job that Dooley.
 
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crusse10 said:
Wanna play this game? Let's play.

1. The size of the class was so that he could have extra slots for the following class, when he had more time to get the great players. It's not his "fault" that they didn't want to stay at Tennessee when he left. It's simply the way the world of college athletics works.
2. The single biggest setback for this season is Phillip Fulmer's lack of even mediocre recruiting on the lines his last years. Kiffin had to start 2 walkons barely bigger than me. Because of this, the 2010 season featured an entire line (most of which is thanks to Kiffin, even though he was gone) that was new (besides Dallas). With Richardson leaving early, we now have no continuity on our line and it'll be that way for quite a while. That's a major problem that won't resolve itself unless players either don't work out and get replaced or leave early enough times over an extended period of time.
3. The biggest setback was the hiring of Dooley. At least the former coach had good qualities on the job. He could recruit. He could help a quarterback get better. If it wasn't a press conference, Dooley wasn't winning it.

I'm just sick and tired of people being butthurt because a coach took a different job, when they know good and well that if they were coaching at another prestigious institution and the UT job opened up, they'd leave just as quickly.
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Fulmers last year was six years ago. How could this years line have anything to do with him?
 
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Sandman 423 said:
Fulmers last year was six years ago. How could this years line have anything to do with him?
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Not bringing in players to fill holes down the line forced 4/5 of the line to start the same season as freshmen, with the 5th starting as a freshman the following year. It's a cycle that started with his neglect.
 
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chattavol420 said:
Well you don't know what type of conversation they had in private. The fact is we got virtually nothing out of him. We've literally had walk ons contribute to our program than him. I've always felt like give me a solid 3/4* kid that has a good work ethic and wants to be here over a 5* prima Donna.
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Oh .... you mean like CP?
 
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crusse10 said:
Not bringing in players to fill holes down the line forced 4/5 of the line to start the same season as freshmen, with the 5th starting as a freshman the following year. It's a cycle that started with his neglect.
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Fulmer has nothing to do with the 2014 roster. Nothing. Dooley went an entire recruiting cycle without taking a single offensive lineman. We have two linemen left on the the team from the 2011 class (Jackson and Crowder). Posey is no longer on the team Tiny moved on the NFL. We recruited zero linemen in 2012. Fulmer is off the hook on this one.
 
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thebjd said:
Fulmer has nothing to do with the 2014 roster. Nothing. Dooley went an entire recruiting cycle without taking a single offensive lineman. We have two linemen left on the the team from the 2011 class (Jackson and Crowder). Posey is no longer on the team Tiny moved on the NFL. We recruited zero linemen in 2012. Fulmer is off the hook on this one.
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I disagree. I'm not saying that the problem wasn't exacerbated, only that the cycle of one full set of linemen starting 4 years was set in motion at the end of Fulmer's tenure. Had we had better recruiting from him, we would have had something better than the Sullins twins starting in 09, most likely sophomores or juniors. That would have given the following years the opportunity to build depth behind them, so that every year one or two linemen might leave, but not 4 or 5.
 
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crusse10 said:
I disagree. I'm not saying that the problem wasn't exacerbated, only that the cycle of one full set of linemen starting 4 years was set in motion at the end of Fulmer's tenure. Had we had better recruiting from him, we would have had something better than the Sullins twins starting in 09, most likely sophomores or juniors. That would have given the following years the opportunity to build depth behind them, so that every year one or two linemen might leave, but not 4 or 5.
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Had he recruited better he would have kept his job. I think the entire issue goes to the two offensive linemen we have on the roster from 2011 and 2012. I agree with much of what you said about Kiffin's recruiting. The 2010 class was a top three class when Kiffin left and Dooley saved a few and a few early enrolled keeping it in the top ten. Six years later though Fulmer is completely off the hook for everything in my opinion.
 
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UNAVol89 said:
Kiffin wasn't a great coach but he was better than Dooley.
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Thats like saying rat poison is better than raw sewage. Most of the people on this board could have coached better than Dooley - and considering how crappy most of the armchair coaches are here, that is saying a lot. That in no way lessens Kiffin's utter betrayal of UT.
 
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Gandalf said:
Thats like saying rat poison is better than raw sewage. Most of the people on this board could have coached better than Dooley - and considering how crappy most of the armchair coaches are here, that is saying a lot. That in no way lessens Kiffin's utter betrayal of UT.
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Dooley went 6-6 5-7 5-7

Doubt we have posters on here that could even go 1-11
 
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Gandalf said:
Thats like saying rat poison is better than raw sewage. Most of the people on this board could have coached better than Dooley - and considering how crappy most of the armchair coaches are here, that is saying a lot. That in no way lessens Kiffin's utter betrayal of UT.
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Lane Kiffin's betrayal of UT at the 11th hour directly lead to the hire of the most incompetent man in the world.
 
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thebjd said:
Six years later though Fulmer is completely off the hook for everything in my opinion.
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It speaks to succession planning (or lack thereof).

As bad as things got under Fulmer in the end years, there is no way that he would have handed in the W-L record of those two goons did from 2009-2012.

We could have not had a head coach and done as well as we did.

It all goes back, not to THAT Fulmer was fired, but HOW he was fired and how his successor was chosen.
 
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