Commodity shortages

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VolStrom said:
It didn't need to be done overnight, but they could have notified the other suppliers and told them we need as much as you can make as soon as possible. They could have asked Canadian suppliers to supply us with as much as they could, they could have asked Abbott what would it take to get this plant cleaned and re-opened ASAP. There are a lot of things that this country can do to mobilize resources when needed, the Biden front line idiots just are cognitively as empty as he is.
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What’s Behind America’s Shocking Baby-Formula Shortage?

And under President Donald Trump, the U.S. entered into a new North American trade agreement that actively discourages formula imports from our largest trading partner, Canada.
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That is what I am getting at also. The initial decision of using baby formula. These baby formulas are not exactly the best things for the kids, either.
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Meh, they’re not as good as the real thing, but they’re necessary for a lot of babies, especially after a few months.
 
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Vol8188 said:
1. If the executive branch ends the production, yes it’s own them.

2. You think something to this level didn’t make it to her desk?
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1. I know this to be entirely untrue.

2. This is an assumption based on an unrealistic premise.
 
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Vol8188 said:
1. The fda is apart of what branch?

2. Unrealistic to expect the executive branch to know what the executive branch is doing?
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I was part of a non-profit organization temporarily shut down by the FDA and in no way was it their responsibility to replace our supply, which was a considerable portion of national and international production.

Unrealistic to inform you about every happening in the country.

This situation reminds me of a quote I’ve heard the past few years. “Every President gets disproportionate blame for every crisis that happens and rarely any credit for every crisis that doesn’t.”
 
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OHvol40 said:
I was part of a non-profit organization temporarily shut down by the FDA and in no way was it their responsibility to replace our supply, which was a considerable portion of national and international production.

Unrealistic to inform you about every happening in the country.

This situation reminds me of a quote I’ve heard the past few years. “Every President get disproportionate blame for every crisis that happens and rarely any credit for every crisis that doesn’t.”
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Lets just pull back on the reins here and not throw Biden under the bus for a moment. Let's be honest, if we can. In my lifetime, outside of the oil embargo of the early 1970s, this country had not seen shortages of products like this until COVID two years ago. It all started with all of these damn lockdowns and shutting down the economy. If someone needs to be blamed, it should be the people that supported and aggravated the problem in the past 2 years.

@OHvol40 , what group of people would you think need to be blamed for these cratering supply issues over the last 2 years?
 
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BreatheUT said:
Is it just me or does it seem this adminstration is late to the party on every single issue of importance except trying to find ways to silence their political opponents?
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Yes they are but it’s by design. They have to wait until the issue becomes a crisis so they can claim they fixed it even though they didn’t.
 
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OHvol40 said:
I was part of a non-profit organization temporarily shut down by the FDA and in no way was it their responsibility to replace our supply, which was a considerable portion of national and international production.

Unrealistic to inform you about every happening in the country.

This situation reminds me of a quote I’ve heard the past few years. “Every President get disproportionate blame for every crisis that happens and rarely any credit for every crisis that doesn’t.”
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So we agree the executive branch shut down about half the supply and yet they have no responsibility here?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Lets just pull back on the reins here and not throw Biden under the bus for a moment. Let's be honest, if we can. In my lifetime, outside of the oil embargo of the early 1970s, this country had not seen shortages of products like this until COVID two years ago. It all started with all of these damn lockdowns and shutting down the economy. If someone needs to be blamed, it should be the people that supported and aggravated the problem in the past 2 years.

@OHvol40 , what group of people would you think need to be blamed for these cratering supply issues over the last 2 years?
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I think the premise of placing blame somewhere for everything that happens in this world is a big problem with our mentality currently.

When a major hurricane happens, blame gets assigned to those who play a major environmental role even though they had nothing to do with that incident. When a bridge collapses fingers get pointed at current public servants for not addressing infrastructure even though that bridge was build during the height of public works projects and likely neglected for decades. When COVID happened fingers get pointed for the deaths & illness just like fingers get pointed for the economic downturn.

Sometimes bad sh!t happens and there is no perfect way to handle it precisely because when bad sh!t happens there are unavoidable consequences. As a people we are so busy trying to figure out who’s to blame, we fail to throw our energy behind learning from it and figuring out how to improve on our response.
 
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OHvol40 said:
I think the premise of placing blame somewhere for everything that happens in this world is a big problem with our mentality currently.

When a major hurricane happens, blame gets assigned to those who play a major environmental role even though they had nothing to do with that incident. When a bridge collapses fingers get pointed at current public servants for not addressing infrastructure even though that bridge was build during the height of public works projects and likely neglected for decades. When COVID happened fingers get pointed for the deaths & illness just like fingers get pointed for the economic downturn.

Sometimes bad sh!t happens and there is no perfect way to handle it precisely because when bad sh!t happens there are unavoidable consequences. As a people we are so busy trying to figure out who’s to blame, we fail to throw our energy behind learning from it and figuring out how to improve on our response.
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Oh, so you can't think of anyone to blame... ok.
 
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OHvol40 said:
If you’re fine with shutting down the production, how would you address replacing nearly half the market supply over night?
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Before I shut down production of anything supplying half the market supply, I would first make sure that it was warranted. The greatest number of affected babies I found was 8 - out of how many across the US. For that, you inspect and look for a source in the plant - not just immediately start shutting stuff down - and that's after determining that unopened formula is contaminated. If you find anything suspicious, then you might shut down temporarily - review the process, and after a thorough cleaning at least clear some production lines and resume production with a lot of testing before shipping. This sounds like a huge overreaction by the FDA and with no viable plan of attack to ensure safety and supply. History says that 8 recent infections don't prove the production faulty, and there's no justification for shutdown if you test what's coming off the production lines and are finding no problems. Pull stuff off store shelves and test - don't just assume that it's one source and it is prevalent when you've got basically an infinitesimally small infection rate.
 
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AM64 said:
Before I shut down production of anything supplying half the market supply, I would first make sure that it was warranted. The greatest number of affected babies I found was 8 - out of how many across the US. For that, you inspect and look for a source in the plant - not just immediately start shutting stuff down - and that's after determining that unopened formula is contaminated. If you find anything suspicious, then you might shut down temporarily - review the process, and after a thorough cleaning at least clear some production lines and resume production with a lot of testing before shipping. This sounds like a huge overreaction by the FDA and with no viable plan of attack to ensure safety and supply. History says that 8 recent infections don't prove the production faulty, and there's no justification for shutdown if you test what's coming off the production lines and are finding no problems. Pull stuff off store shelves and test - don't just assume that it's one source and it is prevalent when you've got basically an infinitesimally small infection rate.
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I might agree with this, if that’s indeed what happened. Do we know that’s what happened?
 
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OHvol40 said:
I might agree with this, if that’s indeed what happened. Do we know that’s what happened?
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Not one article was really clear, but the one thing that stood out was that there were very few infections - eight was the highest number I saw. That has to be an extremely small infection rate considering the number of babies using the formula across the country. There was nothing connecting the cases to batches or lots, nothing about proximity of the cases, nothing about investigation of lots or how the parents handled the open formula. Perhaps I missed it, but I didn't even see that they found the bacteria in the formula itself. Maybe there are better articles than I found, but I just didn't see anything that warranted a complete shutdown.
 
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AM64 said:
Not one article was really clear, but the one thing that stood out was that there were very few infections - eight was the highest number I saw. That has to be an extremely small infection rate considering the number of babies using the formula across the country. There was nothing connecting the cases to batches or lots, nothing about proximity of the cases, nothing about investigation of lots or how the parents handled the open formula. Perhaps I missed it, but I didn't even see that they found the bacteria in the formula itself. Maybe there are better articles than I found, but I just didn't see anything that warranted a complete shutdown.
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CDC closes infant formula outbreak investigation; FDA continues work to find source; USDA works to resolve shortages

FDA says there is plenty of infant formula despite recall of Similac, other brands

This site has some decently detailed articles about it. Here are the two most relevant I can find. Still not a ton of info.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Is it just me or does it seem this adminstration is late to the party on every single issue of importance except trying to find ways to silence their political opponents?
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They are quite steadfast in keeping their foot on the neck of the oil and gas industry in spite of it exacerbating inflation which they claim to be addressing.
 
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