Common Core

#26
#26
TNsnyper20 said:
I've always thought homework was redundant. If you can't teach it in the time frame given, then you don't need to be teaching it.

Assignments, essays, research papers.. OK I understand. But there are several teachers who assign homework just to assign homework.
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I read something on BBC the other day that said Spain is having a big revolt against too much homework. Crazy.
 
#27
#27
Chris4Vols22 said:
Good input guys, I appreciate it.

Has anyone here had enough experience with it to have a firm grasp of it? The only people I've seen that know it well are teachers that are proponents, so I'd like to hear the other side from someone who knows it and opposes it.
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What value do you put on a teacher's opinion of common core?
 
#28
#28
vollygirl said:
What value do you put on a teacher's opinion of common core?
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A hell of a lot more than someone who opposes it but doesn't even know how it works. I realize that most teachers who use it tend to support it. That's why I made the exact request I made.
 
#29
#29
hog88 said:
Both of my SILs are elementary teachers, they say there is so much homework now is due to all the other BS they have to cover in the classroom.
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I think it would be worth while to review the things we require teachers to cover.
 
#30
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Chris4Vols22 said:
A hell of a lot more than someone who opposes it but doesn't even know how it works. I realize that most teachers who use it tend to support it. That's why I made the exact request I made.
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If you want the opinions of teachers... Here.
 

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#32
#32
I went to an academically aggressive private school and there is a lot about CC Math that I really like.
 
#33
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Chris4Vols22 said:
A hell of a lot more than someone who opposes it but doesn't even know how it works. I realize that most teachers who use it tend to support it. That's why I made the exact request I made.
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Gotcha. (I was going to add this, but didn't know if it was what you were looking for or not.) The woman in the video isn't a teacher as far as I know. But I saw it because three different teachers I'm friends with shared it on FB (including my sister). All three teachers shared the opinion that removing common sense in order to teach problem solving skills was ludicrous.

[youtube]http://youtu.be/wZEGijN_8R0[/youtube]
 
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Ftr, I'm letting my bias show because I like math and pedagogy. I think the system is really interesting. But as I've learned, theory doesn't always translate to practice. It could be a s*** system for all I know, but I don't see it as of now. I'm just tired of the complaining from people who don't even know it.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Ftr, I'm letting my bias show because I like math and pedagogy. I think the system is really interesting. But as I've learned, theory doesn't always translate to practice. It could be a s*** system for all I know, but I don't see it as of now. I'm just tired of the complaining from people who don't even know it.
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I think it's cool you've invested the time you have looking at it. I'm assuming you don't have kids in school? So your motivation is just to get an understanding of it?
 
#37
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vollygirl said:
Gotcha. (I was going to add this, but didn't know if it was what you were looking for or not.) The woman in the video isn't a teacher as far as I know. But I saw it because three different teachers I'm friends with shared it on FB (including my sister). All three teachers shared the opinion that removing common sense in order to teach problem solving skills was ludicrous.

[youtube]http://youtu.be/wZEGijN_8R0[/youtube]
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Yeah that problem was ridiculous. I'm not in favor of that methodology.
 
#39
#39
My chief complaint is the challenge in helping my daughters with simple math work. I can't supplement the teaching efficiently. Which is a hidden cost of the change.
 
#42
#42
Frustrating doesn't capture it. "I can show you how to solve it. I just can't show you how they want you to solve it."

It puts a divide between the involved parent and the teacher and creates confusion in the child. Sadly, there aren't many involved parents.
 
#43
#43
95 Vol Alum said:
Frustrating doesn't capture it. "I can show you how to solve it. I just can't show you how they want you to solve it."

It puts a divide between the involved parent and the teacher and creates confusion in the child. Sadly, there aren't many involved parents.
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This sounds similar to when we tried to go metric to align ourselves with the world.
 
#44
#44
So here's what I don't understand - often CC proponents tell us that CC is not pedagogy; rather it is "standards". Standards implies outcomes as in a student should be able to demonstrate knowledge at a certain proficiency level. So if there is a math standard then logically I would assume that means students should be able to arrive at the correct answer "x" % of the time or whatever the level of proficiency is deemed.

However, the CC examples I continually see are pedagogical METHOD. The OP expressed approval of teaching method; not outcomes or standards.

Given the vast diversity of learning styles let alone backgrounds, levels of intelligence and other factors that impact learning I would think we would be moving towards diversity of teaching method (customization if you will) to ensure different students can reach certain learning outcomes.

Instead, CC in practice seems to be standardization of method rather than learning outcome and I'd argue that is where most of the resistance and frustration is coming from.
 
#45
#45
davethevol said:
The math aspect of it isn't even the bad part though. One of the biggest flaws (dangers) with Common Core is what will be taught with American History and our Constitution. It is being changed on purpose so that we will have a generation that doesn't understand the importance of why the country was founded and the essence of the Amendments to the Constitution.
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American History has never been taught truthfully.
 
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#48
allvol123 said:
Ah I see. And tell me whose has been taught truthfully? Which country?
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I don't think that was his point.

In high school I had two history teachers that would split the semester. One taught early colonists through the Cival War. The other picked up with Reconstruction through modern day. They taught at a college level and I seriously doubt they followed any standardized formula. Yes we had a text book for reference but they tested on their lectures.

I remember feeling like everything I had learned about American history up to that point was fairy tale.

By the time I took American History in college it was a breeze.
 
#49
#49
burntorangeVOLffle said:
I don't think that was his point.

In high school I had two history teachers that would split the semester. One taught early colonists through the Cival War. The other picked up with Reconstruction through modern day. They taught at a college level and I seriously doubt they followed any standardized formula. Yes we had a text book for reference but they tested on their lectures.

I remember feeling like everything I had learned about American history up to that point was fairy tale.

By the time I took American History in college it was a breeze.
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He had no real point.

But glad you had the honest teachers.
 
#50
#50
Not sure if accurate, but I've heard kids start using calculators in elementary math classes now.

If I recall correctly, my first calculator for school was in Jr high (7th grade).

How are kids supposed to learn basic arithmetic skills while using a calculator?
 
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