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#126
#126
LittleCat said:
I wouldn't have a problem with them saying they are gonna compete with UT. but they are acting like they are gonna win by 20 or 30 points. I don't see them winning by more than 10, and that should only happen with a total collapse of UT's offense. They will not be able to shut the run down, and they will not be able to score more than a couple times imo.
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I hope UT wins by 30 going away. But a season opener with a talented but young squad keeps games like this closer than they should be on paper.

I don't think Utah St. is gonna wipe the floor with UT in any manner. That's as silly as some of the racket heard on here.
 
#127
#127
sjt18 said:
Last year they moved "up" in competition from the WAC to MWC. They lost to all three of the best teams in the MWC- BYU, Fresno, and Boise by an avg of almost 12 pts. They are 0-3 vs BYU over the last 3 years.

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Would the 2013 UT team have beaten any of the teams that beat USU last year?
 
#130
#130
I'm going to say Vols 38 USU 24. With one of USU scores coming late with more of our 2nd team on the field. USU keeps it tight for a quarter and a half and the Vols pull away during the 2nd and 3rd quarters.
 
#131
#131
ficklez said:
no chance.

2013
Utah leading rusher: 47 yards
USC: 97 (nobody else over 13)
BYU: 79 (hill had 14. averaged 103)
boise: 109 (rest of team combined for 3 yards)
NIU: 39 (lynch averaged 150)
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I'm sorry. Did the NCAA suddenly allow you to bring all those D players you lost back for another season?

I think tennessee will win. But they aren't going to have 2 guys rush for 100 yards. In fact, odds are that Tennessee won't rush for 200 yards as an entire team combined.
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Tend to agree with this statement. I think UT will run well but I don't see two 100 yd games.

Run defense is our team's biggest strength. We have 4 returning starters on the front 7. Only 1 on the front 7 didn't take at least 20-30 snaps a game all season last year. If there is a blowout, which there very well could be, it'll be due to your WRs, not your RBs (who I do think are good), especially not with 5 new starters in their first game together blocking for them.
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I don't think the OL will be the issue everyone seems to think. Agree though that the big issue for your D is UT's WR's/TE's vs your back 7/8. The problem though is that to stop that, you probably need to blitz. That gives UT an opportunity to hit you with big plays including big run plays.

I'm not sure how the WR's will do when the lights come on. I suspect very well. But from a purely physical pov, USU in the last 3 years has not faced a WR corps with the combination of size, speed, and overall athleticism that UT is going to throw at them.


If you win... or even keep it close within 17 pts... UT's AD should keep Wells' number on file. He will have badly outcoached Jones.
 
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#132
#132
PassedOutAwake said:
Air Force
Weber State
San Jose State
New Mexico
Hawaii
UNLV
Colorado State
Wyoming


Bowl Game win against NIU
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PassedOutAwake (insert obligatory joke about appropriate monicker here), do you have trouble with reading comprehension. USU beat all of those teams. My question was about the games at Utah, at Southern Cal, Boise State, and at Fresno State (in Conference Championship Game).

How many of those games would UT have won?
 
#133
#133
HuntlandVolinColo said:
I'm not sayin that USU isn't a good team but they have no idea how bad the beating will be. Our 32 Freshmen would beat them by 7 points.

We now have the team speed to bottle up and gang tackle mobile QBs.

Secondary: Daniel Grey is their best. He would be 3 deep for the Vols.
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Gray couldn't cut it here - so he left - 3 deep is very generous IMO.
 
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#136
DuckinVol said:
Yes. At least two, and I'd go three wins.
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Not disagreeing with you but which ones do you think the Vols could have won. Would have had a chance in all of them but I would not have been confident of any of them especially the road games.
 
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#137
Backwards K said:
PassedOutAwake (insert obligatory joke about appropriate monicker here), do you have trouble with reading comprehension. USU beat all of those teams. My question was about the games at Utah, at Southern Cal, Boise State, and at Fresno State (in Conference Championship Game).

How many of those games would UT have won?
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Hey cool guy, after I re-read the question, I edited my post. Since I had already typed up who they beat, I didnt feel like deleting it.
 
#138
#138
Backwards K said:
PassedOutAwake (insert obligatory joke about appropriate monicker here), do you have trouble with reading comprehension. USU beat all of those teams. My question was about the games at Utah, at Southern Cal, Boise State, and at Fresno State (in Conference Championship Game).

How many of those games would UT have won?
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2 or more.
 
#139
#139
supersmo18 said:
UTC fans?? You're crazy. I'm a UTC grad and fan and I KNOW that UT is gonna destroy UTC. UTC is much better now than they've been in past years, but there's NO WAY they come close to a win against TN. No way. I've not heard ONE fan of UTC say that they think they have a chance to pull an upset. That's just laughable.
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Honesty, a trait I admire.
 
#141
#141
Backwards K said:
ficklez, that's some interesting information right there. How many teams in your conference run a similar offense to the one UT runs and how have the Aggies done against them?
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I'm not super familiar with UT's style. I would assume from watching them they are a spread offense with pro style elements since worley runs the read option and spread out WRs but also run it up the middle with a big RB.

I'll go conference and non-conference

BYU: very similar to UT's offense from what I've seen. Beat us by 17 last year, but it was the game CK went down and we didn't pull the redshirt off garrison like we should have. we were down 3 with the ball when CK got hurt.
last four years we beat them once, lost by 3 once, and lost on a last second touchdown once. overall, close games against a team with a stifling defense and an average to very good offense (depending on the year)

Utah: probably the most similar. lost by 4 last year after leading much of the game, beat them in OT the year before. they have a big QB who is slightly mobile but not like most dual threats.

USC: lost by 3. story of our season. They started inside their 40 seven times in the game, scored 17 points. their RB had one rush over 10 yards all game. marquise lee had two plays over 15 yards, but those corners were probably better than this year's version (though they weren't playing well AT ALL at that point of the season. they were all fresh starters too).

Fresno: spread it all out, lots of WR shotgun quick passes. Held Carr (early 2nd round pick) to his 3rd lowest QB rating. but again, we lost. by 7. i think we would have beaten them in the beginning of the season. had CK and Garretson out with injuries, plus our RB, 2 OL, 1 DB, and 1 LB. Defense did well, held them to 24 (they scored 38 or more in 10 games)

Wyoming is similar to UT but I know if I go into detail about how we dominated them, it'll be dismissed because they aren't a household name like BCS schools or byu/fresno even.

Overall, I'd say SJSU (won by 28, had NFL QB), Boise (lost by 11), Hawaii (won by 37), and wyoming (won by 28) are most similar to UT in conference, but without the players UT has (except boise, but again, Garretson should have been starting and he wasn't, otherwise it is probably a closer game. With CK, easily a one score game either way).

Our defense held 24 out of the last 27 teams below their season average for points. 19 of those were held to 20 or less. With CK at QB, we have lost by more than a touchdown just once since September 2011.

we will see how that goes with new corners this year, but we replaced every corner and both safeties last year after having one drafted higher than lawson was in last year's draft.
 
#142
#142
That's a confident, and pretty disrespectful bunch on their board. After reading that I don't mind as much the thrashing you guys have been putting on their fans that have been posting here on VN. Keep it classy, Mormons.
 
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#144
#144
Thanks for the info, ficklez. Obviously, USU has a very good Defensive Coordinator.

The MWC plays a good brand of football and it's impressive that the Aggies won their division over Boise State and Colorado State last year. Your front 7 on defense and the QB on offense will give UT fits. Should be a very good game.
 
#145
#145
Backwards K said:
Thanks for the info. Obviously, USU has a very good Defensive Coordinator.

The MWC plays a good brand of football and it's impressive that the Aggies won their division over Boise State and Colorado State last year. Your front 7 on defense and the QB on offense will give UT fits. Should be a very good game.
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CSU had a guy at RB who had started the previous few games after their starter got banged up. He ran for 201, 137, 312, 291 yards before our game. He would go on to run for 169 against Wazzu in the bowl. he had 19 rushing TDs in the 4 games before us, including 6 vs UNM the week before. We held him to 54 yards and no TD.

the team averaged 471 yards a game. we held them to 185 and zero points, fewer yards/points than alabama held them to (but not by much)
 
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#146
bigorange said:
That's a confident, and pretty disrespectful bunch on their board. After reading that I don't mind as much the thrashing you guys have been putting on their fans that have been posting here on VN. Keep it classy, Mormons.
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Very disrespectful bunch we are. We think our team has a chance to win! Not sure what Mormons have to do with any of this..
 
#148
#148
I am not sure how good their DL and OL are currently, and there might be some validity to their claims. However, although the complete rebuild of our lines is true, we do have returning players that actually played in SEC games, they felt the PUNCH of a SEC player. I am too sure why USU would compare their games to an SEC team. CK is real, but he stacked up yardage on weak teams. If UT goes in an just plays smart, and protect the ball, USU might get a lead, but they'll see evaporate in the 4th...I think our conditioning and the 1s and 2s is better than theirs...........I could be wrong, but I think we win by 10.

GBO!
 
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#149
#149
ficklez said:
Run defense is our team's biggest strength. We have 4 returning starters on the front 7. Only 1 on the front 7 didn't take at least 20-30 snaps a game all season last year. If there is a blowout, which there very well could be, it'll be due to your WRs, not your RBs (who I do think are good), especially not with 5 new starters in their first game together blocking for them.
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1. I hope there are no significant injuries on either side.
2. I hope we win.
3. I'm glad Hurd gets good competition his first game out.
 
#150
#150
ficklez said:
I'm not super familiar with UT's style. I would assume from watching them they are a spread offense with pro style elements since worley runs the read option and spread out WRs but also run it up the middle with a big RB.

I'll go conference and non-conference

BYU: very similar to UT's offense from what I've seen. Beat us by 17 last year, but it was the game CK went down and we didn't pull the redshirt off garrison like we should have. we were down 3 with the ball when CK got hurt.
last four years we beat them once, lost by 3 once, and lost on a last second touchdown once. overall, close games against a team with a stifling defense and an average to very good offense (depending on the year)

Utah: probably the most similar. lost by 4 last year after leading much of the game, beat them in OT the year before. they have a big QB who is slightly mobile but not like most dual threats.

USC: lost by 3. story of our season. They started inside their 40 seven times in the game, scored 17 points. their RB had one rush over 10 yards all game. marquise lee had two plays over 15 yards, but those corners were probably better than this year's version (though they weren't playing well AT ALL at that point of the season. they were all fresh starters too).

Fresno: spread it all out, lots of WR shotgun quick passes. Held Carr (early 2nd round pick) to his 3rd lowest QB rating. but again, we lost. by 7. i think we would have beaten them in the beginning of the season. had CK and Garretson out with injuries, plus our RB, 2 OL, 1 DB, and 1 LB. Defense did well, held them to 24 (they scored 38 or more in 10 games)

Wyoming is similar to UT but I know if I go into detail about how we dominated them, it'll be dismissed because they aren't a household name like BCS schools or byu/fresno even.

Overall, I'd say SJSU (won by 28, had NFL QB), Boise (lost by 11), Hawaii (won by 37), and wyoming (won by 28) are most similar to UT in conference, but without the players UT has (except boise, but again, Garretson should have been starting and he wasn't, otherwise it is probably a closer game. With CK, easily a one score game either way).

Our defense held 24 out of the last 27 teams below their season average for points. 19 of those were held to 20 or less. With CK at QB, we have lost by more than a touchdown just once since September 2011.

we will see how that goes with new corners this year, but we replaced every corner and both safeties last year after having one drafted higher than lawson was in last year's draft.
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Like your post, and it seems very well thought out, but you can not compare those teams to an SEC school, it just in not the same. Try playing USC every Saturday, bet they win 10 out of 12 times. That is what SEC schools do every time we play a conference team... the PUNCH is harder, the PASSION is deeper, the COMMITMENT is stronger...every SATURDAY....try that with your schedule and the other schools play that same schedule....you'll see what it takes to play in the SEC. The SEC Championship, is as big as the NC in the south. Sure we have teams in the lower half of the conference. Play Kentucky 12 times, bet they win 7 out of 12.........the STAMINA of our SEC players is beyond any team's comprehension outside the P5. SEC Fans might go after each other, but any time a non-P5 wants to bump chest with THE CONFERENCE that all conferences are compared to, better pack your lunch. A Famous man once said " You've got to beat the man, to be the man" and the SEC is still TOP DOG!!! Teams come to beat us, we come to BE US.........S E C........there is no other.

GBO!!!!
 
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