Congratulations to Duke Head Coach Mike Krzyzewski

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voltime12 said:
dook is now 11-11 in its last 22 ACC road games. You'd think the K would learn to prepare his team for ACC road games by actually playing a few OOC road games, but I guess not. lol
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Yep, not like they played a Final Four team on the road a month ago.
 
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voltime12 said:
If Dean Smith didn't retire so early they would both be trying to catch him...
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Dean: 36 seasons, 879 wins, 2 titles
K: 39 seasons, 1000+ wins, 4 titles

If you're going to enter a thread specifically to throw shade, at least be good at it
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
UF's hoops titles were accidents....that's rich. Nothing like that good old fashioned UK basketball arrogance. :eek:lol:

You and I both know UF's titles were legit, and UF's basketball program is legit.

If one day UK wins a title or two in its "other" sport, that title will legit no matter how many Alabama, Ohio State or Notre Dame fans thumb their nose at it.

UF hoops will never be UK, UNC, Duke, Kansas, UCLA or Indiana...and I'm more than okay with that.

If you want to hold UF hoops to blue blood standards, have at it...far be it for a UK hoops fan not to have something to pound their chest over.
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Maybe accident is the wrong choice of word. The titles are legit. However, what I mean is that I think Donovan is an above average coach, and that the recruiting class and performance of those 2 teams were anomalies compared to his entire body of work.

I just have a hard time with the house money concept. It just feels like an excuse not to expect greatness.
 
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VKAman said:
Dean: 36 seasons, 879 wins, 2 titles
K: 39 seasons, 1000+ wins, 4 titles

If you're going to enter a thread specifically to throw shade, at least be good at it
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Ha okay how about this stat Dean is 24-14 against K. UNC 5 titles Duke only has 4. The last 10 years UNC has 2 titles while Dook has only 1. Game.
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
Maybe accident is the wrong choice of word. The titles are legit. However, what I mean is that I think Donovan is an above average coach, and that the recruiting class and performance of those 2 teams were anomalies compared to his entire body of work.

I just have a hard time with the house money concept. It just feels like an excuse not to expect greatness.
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Disagree with your take on Donovan as being "above average". He's a Hall of Famer who built a championship program out of virtually nothing in Gainesville.

Outside of Corey Brewer the key contributors on our two NC teams weren't highly recruited McD AA types.

To suggest his championship teams were "anomalies" is to say he didn't have much success other than those two titles, which we both know is not true.

I know three straight Elite Eights and only four Final Four appearances puts you on the hot seat in Lexington, but outside of that bizarro world it's actually a decent, dare I say impressive accomplishment.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
If you're going to compare Dean Smith to Coach K, don't include Roy Williams' two national titles as Exhibit B.
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The problem is I didn't compare Dean with Coach K in my original post i simply stated that he would be trying to catch him if he had not retired so early... How is that a comparison?
 
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voltime12 said:
The problem is I didn't compare Dean with Coach K in my original post i simply stated that he would be trying to catch him if he had not retired so early... How is that a comparison?
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I'm not talking about your response to VKA, not your original post.

You referenced Dean Smith's head-to-head record against Coach K...that's a direct comparison, followed by a comparison of UNC and Duke's national titles.

Coach K is responsible for all four of Duke's national titles, Dean Smith is responsible for two of UNC's "five" national titles.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
You posted Dean Smith's head to head record against Coach K...that's a direct comparison, followed by a comparison of UNC and Duke's national titles.

Coach K is responsible for all of Duke's national titles, Dean Smith is responsible for two of UNC's "five" titles.
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Again read my original post before that, I only compared both when the above poster decided to take my argument out of context then I simply showed facts that UNC is a better program simple as that.
 
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voltime12 said:
Again read my original post before that, I only compared both when the above poster decided to take my argument out of context then I simply showed facts that UNC is a better program simple as that.
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And who argued otherwise?

Historically UNC's basketball program is better than Duke, anyone paying attention knows that.

Not sure what it has to do with Coach K winning more games and more national titles than Dean Smith...unless you're a UNC fan with an axe to grind against Coach K and Duke.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
And who argued otherwise?

Historically UNC's basketball program is better than Duke, anyone paying attention knows that.

Not sure what it has to do with Coach K winning more games and more national titles than Dean Smith...unless you're a UNC fan with an axe to grind against Coach K and Duke.
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I was only responding to the guy who compared Coach K and Dean... he took my comments out of context when i said "That coach K would probably be trying to catch Dean if he had not retired so early (he is still alive). " That's all I said do you understand? Then the guy comes back and compares Dean and coach k which had nothing to do with my original post where I simply stated an opinion and did not knock coach k. Are you following? So since he took my comment out of context I went ahead and compared programs because he was arguing over something I was not even trying to argue about...Do you you follow?
 
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voltime12 said:
I was only responding to the guy who compared Coach K and Dean... he took my comments out of context when i said "That coach K would probably be trying to catch Dean if he had not retired so early (he is still alive). " That's all I said do you understand? Then the guy comes back and compares Dean and coach k which had nothing to do with my original post where I simply stated an opinion and did not knock coach k. Are you following? So since he took my comment out of context I went ahead and compared programs because he was arguing over something I was not even trying to argue about...Do you you follow?
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I followed VKA countering your opinion of what "may" have happened "if" Dean Smith coached longer with a factual comparison of both coaches, which led to you expanding the argument to include a comparison of the two overall programs that fit your narrative.

No one took your post out of context. Dean Smith is still alive, but he hasn't been in any condition to coach for quite some time.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I followed VKA countering your opinion of what "may" have happened "if" Dean Smith coached longer with a factual comparison of both coaches, which led to you expanding the argument to include a comparison of the two overall programs that fit your narrative.

No one took your post out of context. Dean Smith is still alive, but he hasn't been in any condition to coach for quite some time.
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Nobody took my post out of context? Uh yeah they did when i simply state an opinion on the possibility that Dean could have gotten way more wins had he not retired so early and a poster counters with "Dean: 36 seasons, 879 wins, 2 titles
K: 39 seasons, 1000+ wins, 4 titles

If you're going to enter a thread specifically to throw shade, at least be good at it" I wasn't trying to compare who is better I know Duke fans get a hard on when UNC is brought up but Dean was a great coach who left a lot of wins on the table in my mind since he retired too soon.
 
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voltime12 said:
If Dean Smith didn't retire so early they would both be trying to catch him...
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Irrelevant. Rupp coached in the days of 25-30 max game seasons. Now you can play up to 40.

Rupp won a staggering 81% of his games. Cal is edging him out at 82%.
 
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It's just a dumb argument. Dean is 120 wins back; he would have had to stay until Felton/May/McCants got there to get to 1000. It's even dumber that you're using a thread congratulating Coach K to make this hypothetical argument about a rival who, again, is over a hundred wins back.
 
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voltime12 said:
I know Duke fans get a hard on when UNC is brought up
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It's funny you say this, since you're the one who entered a Duke thread to talk sh*t about a Duke loss and a Duke coach. Sounds like it's the other way around.
 
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VKAman said:
It's just a dumb argument. Dean is 120 wins back; he would have had to stay until Felton/May/McCants got there to get to 1000. It's even dumber that you're using a thread congratulating Coach K to make this hypothetical argument about a rival who, again, is over a hundred wins back.
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Well I'm one of those that thinks he had another 8 years left in the tank...he was 66 when he retired and in sound health at the time like I said this is all just my opinion and I never once dissed coach k or duke I only was responding to a Kentucky poster who brought up Rupp in the beginning and simply asserted that Dean could have got way more wins. Then another poster responded to my post in a way that had nothing to do with with what I was saying so I countered like any person would do in a spit-balling contest. If you go back and truly read every response you will understand.
 
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voltime12 said:
I never once dissed coach k or duke I only was responding to a Kentucky poster
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Your posts in this thread about K getting 1000:
1. Dean would have won more.
2. Lol at Duke losing to #8 on the road, you'd think K would learn how to prepare his teams for these situations but apparently he hasn't.

But yeah, I'm sure you're here all in good faith. What's your favorite team again?
 
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VKAman said:
Your posts in this thread about K getting 1000:
1. Dean would have won more.
2. Lol at Duke losing to #8 on the road, you'd think K would learn how to prepare his teams for these situations but apparently he hasn't.

But yeah, I'm sure you're here all in good faith. What's your favorite team again?
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You took his posts out of context. :blink:
 
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VKAman said:
Your posts in this thread about K getting 1000:
1. Dean would have won more.
2. Lol at Duke losing to #8 on the road, you'd think K would learn how to prepare his teams for these situations but apparently he hasn't.

But yeah, I'm sure you're here all in good faith. What's your favorite team again?
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First one is my opinion and that is hard to dispute that I was just trying to downplay his accomplishments at duke, but more or less trying to enter Dean into the discussion since Rupp was brought up, second one is fact and yeah you guessed right I am not a fan of coach k, but I respect what he has accomplished there's a difference.
 
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