consider......

[VolGee4]

Sorry but your wrong and you make it personal. I don't see this UGA team in the league of either of those teams. Add in the injuries. Further, UT was not going to win the game if pig scored. It would have only given them the lead. The plays in bama and LSU would have won the game. Period. Look at kiffins oline and it doesn't compare. All three teams had glaring deficiencies

I hope you aren't trying to say that Kiffin's team was on par with this team with talent. If so, no one can help you. Kiffin's had an All-American at safety, NFL players on the DL, OL, and at RB and TE. He also had experience at WR. We know we have NFL talent on the OL, but the skill positions are lacking. It is stupid to say that we wouldn't have won if Pig had scored. No one even knows that.

 

[Roustabout]

I hope you aren't trying to say that Kiffin's team was on par with this team with talent. If so, no one can help you. Kiffin's had an All-American at safety, NFL players on the DL, OL, and at RB and TE. He also had experience at WR. We know we have NFL talent on the OL, but the skill positions are lacking. It is stupid to say that we wouldn't have won if Pig had scored. No one even knows that.

You misunderstand. UT wasnt guaranteed to win if Pig scored. UGA would have had an offensive possession. So, my point is that this one play would not have ended the game. Whereas the other two games mentioned were lost on the final play. Next, I never argued the talent level at UT. I did mention that I thought those other two teams were better than this uga team. Each UT team had significant deficiencies it had to overcome.

Volley girl. I posted an opinion . It is amazing how personal people take an opinion that doesn't agree with their own. Resulting in baseless personal attacks. Its clear to me that you are speculating on my motives and assuming the worst. I'm a Butch fan and love the direction. That doesn't mean I am going to make this loss into something it isn't. The response of this team is what will make the difference. They'll have a chance to show that Saturday.

 

[bharmon32]

That Dooley was closer to a win against a better LSU team.
That Kiffin was closer to a win against a better Bama team.

Neither had their top 2 RBs and WRs out.
What does a close loss mean? Not much other than excess dissapointment. Unless someone wants to argue that case for South Alabama. Until some coach cracks through with a significant win, UT won't turn the corner.

Are you serious? Both Dooley and Kiffin inherited better talent. Additionally, that was the best coached/called game we have had in 10 years. UGA is a very good team, and didn't make mistakes in that game. Regardless, we still had a real opportunity to win at the end of the game. I hope "fans" like you get so frustrated that you simply never come back. We don't need such ignorance.

 

[Grand Vol]

You misunderstand. UT wasnt guaranteed to win if Pig scored. UGA would have had an offensive possession. So, my point is that this one play would not have ended the game. Whereas the other two games mentioned were lost on the final play. Next, I never argued the talent level at UT. I did mention that I thought those other two teams were better than this uga team. Each UT team had significant deficiencies it had to overcome.

Did you somehow miss the fact the defense put a hold on the Georgia offense in overtime? That they had to kick the field goal for the win? Are you saying they would have scored off a 4th and long?

You might want to think about that before replying.

 

[Roustabout]

Did you somehow miss the fact the defense put a hold on the Georgia offense in overtime? That they had to kick the field goal for the win? Are you saying they would have scored off a 4th and long?

You might want to think about that before replying.

You are only showing that you have no sense of game management. Do you think UGA knew that all they needed was a field goal? Of course. So, did this impact the play calling? Perhaps you should watch the end if the Dallas Denver game. Could Denver have scored a TD with first down from the one foot line with 1:30 left? Did they? No. UGA wasn't trying to get a TD, they were trying to with the game, which they did.

 

[Eugene Hetalia]

That Dooley was closer to a win against a better LSU team.
That Kiffin was closer to a win against a better Bama team.

Neither had their top 2 RBs and WRs out.
What does a close loss mean? Not much other than excess dissapointment. Unless someone wants to argue that case for South Alabama. Until some coach cracks through with a significant win, UT won't turn the corner.

Shut up!
(I have seen the "shut up" starting to work in these threads)

 

[Roustabout]

Reconsider??
As I said UGA is not on par with either that LSU or Bama team. I got absolutely blasted for stating obvious facts. In fact, their defense is no where close. Offensively, UGA is VERY good when healthy. But this defense isn't very good and no where near championship level. Even Worley had the balls to say that they had holes.

 

[UTK]

You have to be blind to not see how much better Butch is than Dooley.

 

[Roustabout]

You have to be blind to not see how much better Butch is than Dooley.

Agreed. And your comment is a straw man.
UT still doesn't have a meaningful win. Not saying Butch won't get one, he will. Just saying that to this point, on the field, he hasn't done anything beyond what Lane and Dooley did. As I said, and today proved to all these morons, LSU and Bama were better teams than UGA in those respective years.

 

[sjt18]

That Dooley was closer to a win against a better LSU team.
That Kiffin was closer to a win against a better Bama team.

Neither had their top 2 RBs and WRs out.
What does a close loss mean? Not much other than excess dissapointment. Unless someone wants to argue that case for South Alabama. Until some coach cracks through with a significant win, UT won't turn the corner.

Pretty much true... a little negative but true.

I am still looking for Jones to GET the big win and not just be close. Close is kind of old after this many years of it. Close to beating LSU in 07. Close to beating Bama, UF, Aub in 09. Close to beating LSU and UNC in '10.... close to beating UGA, Mizzou, MSU last year.

Close just really isn't all that satisfying anymore.

Don't get me wrong. UT took huge steps forward vs UGA. If the coaches are worth even their first paycheck then we will see an even more improved team vs USC and for the rest of the season.

But I am with you... close is still losing.... and I'm pretty tired of that also.

 

[volfan411]

Did you also consider that Lane and Maggitt were out and that we weren't expected to even hang with Georgia? It was a good game for the team and only would have been better with a win.

Do not forget Young,Couch, Jones(still recovering) and Saulsberry.

 

[sjt18]

You have to be blind to not see how much better Butch is than Dooley.

"Better" is only defined ultimately by wins. You and I may THINK Jones is GOING to be better than Dooley. However to this point, he has not proven it by winning football games that matter.

 

[volfan411]

"Better" is only defined ultimately by wins. You and I may THINK Jones is GOING to be better than Dooley. However to this point, he has not proven it by winning football games that matter.

I believe he won a game that Dooley would have lost but that is opinion.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

That Dooley was closer to a win against a better LSU team.
That Kiffin was closer to a win against a better Bama team.

Neither had their top 2 RBs and WRs out.
What does a close loss mean? Not much other than excess dissapointment. Unless someone wants to argue that case for South Alabama. Until some coach cracks through with a significant win, UT won't turn the corner.

Neither coach played with as many freshman and walk ons that Jones did either. Nor did they have as young of a defense. Until you actually gain a football IQ higher than a garden slug, please stop posting.

 

[volfan411]

That Dooley was closer to a win against a better LSU team.
That Kiffin was closer to a win against a better Bama team.

Neither had their top 2 RBs and WRs out.
What does a close loss mean? Not much other than excess dissapointment. Unless someone wants to argue that case for South Alabama. Until some coach cracks through with a significant win, UT won't turn the corner.

Just so we are clear close only counts in horse shoes and all three games ended with us losing and not sure how you judge close but if I am not mistaking all three losses were by the same points.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

"Better" is only defined ultimately by wins. You and I may THINK Jones is GOING to be better than Dooley. However to this point, he has not proven it by winning football games that matter.

There are a lot of ambiguity in the word better. A lot of factors you are not considering. However the real point has already been made.

Jones came to UT as a winner, Dooley didn't. Also if you honestly cannot see a huge difference between jones and Dooley, you really cannot call yourself a UT fan.

 

[sjt18]

Neither coach played with as many freshman and walk ons that Jones did either.

Yes they did. Kiffin's MLB and both OG's were walk ons. He started a Fr at RT. By year's end, three or 4 true Fr had started at LB and iirc a couple in the secondary.

Dooley's first team started at one point or another 3 or 4 Fr on the OL, a Fr QB, a walk on at DT, a Fr at DE... His first two teams had 17 Fr each who played significant roles.

Jones did not inherit a great roster or a roster without holes. He DID inherit a better situation than either Kiffin or Dooley.

Nor did they have as young of a defense.

Um... wrong again. UT's D this year is not young on the DL, at LB, or at S.... or even at one CB spot. They do have youth in the two deep but many teams do.

Until you actually gain a football IQ higher than a garden slug, please stop posting.

I am not particularly comfortable siding with the other guy but you need to get your facts straight before questioning HIS IQ.

 

[bullet20]

Just so we are clear close only counts in horse shoes and all three games ended with us losing and not sure how you judge close but if I am not mistaking all three losses were by the same points.

It also count's in hand grenades and atom bombs .

 

[sjt18]

There are a lot of ambiguity in the word better. A lot of factors you are not considering. However the real point has already been made.

Jones came to UT as a winner, Dooley didn't. Also if you honestly cannot see a huge difference between jones and Dooley, you really cannot call yourself a UT fan.

You can't qualify a fan/not a fan that way. Who exactly do you think you are? If I thought Dooley was BETTER than Jones (which I don't) that would have absolutely no bearing on whether I'm a fan or not. That "reasoning" is stupid.

And frankly, whatever Jones did prior to UT is nice... and will always help his resume... but I ONLY care about what he does at UT... IN THE SEC.

I've looked at Jones tenure at Cincy... have you? What was his best win and what was the record of that team?

I like what he's doing and especially in recruiting. I EXPECT that he's going to get his big win soon because of the improvement you can see in the team's play... but he STILL has to prove himself.

Jones has NOT proven himself on the field yet. PERIOD. And no, there is no ambiguity in the word "better". Kiffin was "better" according to you than Fulmer because he didn't get blown out by Bama or UF like Fulmer had made a habit of doing. Sorry... but no. We now know that Kiffin was NOT a good coach. Why? Because he COULD NOT WIN GAMES.

 

[volfan411]

Yes they did. Kiffin's MLB and both OG's were walk ons. He started a Fr at RT. By year's end, three or 4 true Fr had started at LB and iirc a couple in the secondary.

Dooley's first team started at one point or another 3 or 4 Fr on the OL, a Fr QB, a walk on at DT, a Fr at DE... His first two teams had 17 Fr each who played significant roles.

Jones did not inherit a great roster or a roster without holes. He DID inherit a better situation than either Kiffin or Dooley.

Um... wrong again. UT's D this year is not young on the DL, at LB, or at S.... or even at one CB spot. They do have youth in the two deep but many teams do.



I am not particularly comfortable siding with the other guy but you need to get your facts straight before questioning HIS IQ.

I give you all three inherited rosters that were not SEC caliber but Jones really inherited a team that was depleted in skill position players. To further compound the problem Jones is trying to implement a offense that most of these players do not fit into. At this point in the season I am extremely pleased with the player development as I think from game one to now we have improved in every position.

Me and you have already hashed over the defenses improvement from last season to now so no need in discussing that again.

 

[volfan411]

You can't qualify a fan/not a fan that way. Who exactly do you think you are? If I thought Dooley was BETTER than Jones (which I don't) that would have absolutely no bearing on whether I'm a fan or not. That "reasoning" is stupid.

And frankly, whatever Jones did prior to UT is nice... and will always help his resume... but I ONLY care about what he does at UT... IN THE SEC.

I've looked at Jones tenure at Cincy... have you? What was his best win and what was the record of that team?

I like what he's doing and especially in recruiting. I EXPECT that he's going to get his big win soon because of the improvement you can see in the team's play... but he STILL has to prove himself.

Jones has NOT proven himself on the field yet. PERIOD. And no, there is no ambiguity in the word "better". Kiffin was "better" according to you than Fulmer because he didn't get blown out by Bama or UF like Fulmer had made a habit of doing. Sorry... but no. We now know that Kiffin was NOT a good coach. Why? Because he COULD NOT WIN GAMES.

And ultimately that is what cost Dooley his job and that is what Jones will be judged on. At the end of the day the bottom line is you must win and not just the games you are supposed to.

 

[Boca Vol]

I believe he won a game that Dooley would have lost but that is opinion.

If you're referring to the USA game what are you basing it on?

Take last year's Troy game. UT actually trailed by 7 in the 4th quarter of that game. UT scored 2 td's and had 2 4th down holds late in the game.

Similar games, similar results.

 

[JCP201]

Dooley didn't have a number two recruiting class right now.

 

[sjt18]

I give you all three inherited rosters that were not SEC caliber but Jones really inherited a team that was depleted in skill position players.

Receiver yes. Both of the others inherited worse situations at RB. Jones inherited a "better" situation at QB in that his first guy up was not J Crompton with shattered confidence or M Simms.

To further compound the problem Jones is trying to implement a offense that most of these players do not fit into. At this point in the season I am extremely pleased with the player development as I think from game one to now we have improved in every position.

That's actually not true. I think I see what Jones is doing and the problems have nothing to do with the players not fitting.

When he says "brick by brick", he's not just talking about recruits and such. He's talking about his system as well. His O especially builds on itself. He starts with the foundation and they stay there until they master it. Then they add something that varies off those foundational plays. Then they add something else... and so on. Before adding, the last level has to be mastered.

That's why we saw some brand new looks and plays vs UGA... and why we are likely to see even more vs USC.

If these are the wrong kinds of players... he has a funny way of showing it. He's recruiting basically the same kind.

Me and you have already hashed over the defenses improvement from last season to now so no need in discussing that again.

I don't remember that but hopefully we agree. There is a lack of depth but some good players on the D. Sal was so bad it just about had to get better.

PS- I still miss Wilcox though. I knew he was good but he was better than even I thought.

 

[sjt18]

And ultimately that is what cost Dooley his job and that is what Jones will be judged on. At the end of the day the bottom line is you must win and not just the games you are supposed to.

Absolutely, positively agree.