Cowardly perfeormance

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#302
HialeahGator said:
Asinine. You had a great 5 game run but UF had 2 or 3 of those this season. This trash team held you to under 50 points and won despite nothing from Finnley-Smith and Frasier 7 pts. IF either play like last 6 games, UT gets beat by 15. Kids played with #1 team until final min of game so give them and Zo some credit.
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I'm sure you'd love for UT to hang on to Cuonzo for as long as possible, just as we'd love for you guys to hang on to ol' Muschamp.
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
This thread (like many in the football forum) makes me cry for our fanbase.
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I came really close to just deleting it as soon as I read the OP,but I left it just to see where it could possibly go from a train wreck beginning like that. The answer is, completely off a cliff.
 
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#305
BOP said:
We were far more dominant coming into this game than Florida has been all year. If we had continued to play like we had been and were in the first half it would have been a 15-20 point throttling. Instead the team folded. We weren't hit with a barrage of great basketball by some Juggernaut top ranked team. They were terrible too, they couldn't hit the broad side of a barn either. They stunk. They were trash.
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Far more dominant over who? The bottom third of the SEC? Winning big over certain opponents just means you match up favorably against those specific opponents; winning all the time, even when you don't match up favorably, is the sign of a quality team... those guys FIND ways to win.

And you most definitely got hit by a barrage of great basketball by a juggernaut... great defensive basketball by a bona fide defensive juggernaut. You look at the game like rookie fans, only judging teams by their ability to score, and completely overlooking a team's ability to prevent scoring.

Yeah, the team that has 3 straight Elite 8 appearances, just became the first team to go 18-0 in the SEC, and is currently ranked #1 and on a 25-game winning streak is trash. We'd likely be undefeated if we hadn't had starters out against Wisky and UConn, a 6 and 1 point loss.

Clearly you didn't watch the game, but surely you can read the stats. UF shot about 48% from the field and about 37% from 3, which is easily good enough to win most of our games with our defense. UT shot about 42% and 16%, and the reason has nothing to do with your players or coach and everything to do with Billy's halftime adjustments and our players' execution of them. UT was hardly the first team we'd done this to this year.

Since you don't recognize what's going on, especially with UF, I'll go ahead and tell you what you should have seen. UF has led by 1, been tied, or been behind at the half in 11 SEC games this year; and won them all, most by double-digits. That's known as making first half assessments and second half adjustments.

How good is the defense really? In 40 halves of basketball, we've held SEC opponents to 30 points or less 25 times, and 7 of those were 20 points or less.

When you play defense like that, you don't have to score 75 or 80 a game. Lots of SEC teams average more points per game than we do; Arkansas, Kentucky, LSU, Ole Miss, Missouri, and Tennessee all average more, and Auburn averages the same as us.

But just like football, defense wins championships, and ours is so much better than all those teams that we still end up with the highest scoring margin in the SEC.

In fact, believe it or not, despite being less than spectacular offensively, we still rank #9 in the country in scoring margin, with an average of 13+ points per game... UT is #23 with a 10+ scoring margin.
 
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GAVol said:
I came really close to just deleting it as soon as I read the OP,but I left it just to see where it could possibly go from a train wreck beginning like that. The answer is, completely off a cliff.
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Why would you delete it? I'm not agreeing with him, but it's his opinion.
 
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#307
InVOLuntary said:
I'm sure you'd love for UT to hang on to Cuonzo for as long as possible, just as we'd love for you guys to hang on to ol' Muschamp.
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I don't think it matters much to Gator fans whether or not you keep Martin; as far as we're concerned UT could land anyone in the country and we'd still feel like we had the best coach in the country.

Not sure why you guys would love for us to keep Muschamp; he hasn't lost to you guys yet, even with a crippled team that turned out to be the worst UF squad in 35 years.
 
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G8R8U2 said:
I don't think it matters much to Gator fans whether or not you keep Martin; as far as we're concerned UT could land anyone in the country and we'd still feel like we had the best coach in the country.

Not sure why you guys would love for us to keep Muschamp; he hasn't lost to you guys yet, even with a crippled team that turned out to be the worst UF squad in 35 years.
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I have a lot of respect for Billy D which came from not his on court stuff but his support for Chris Lofton's cancer research charity. He's a classy guy. I would love for him to be the coach of my Vols. As to Muschamp, if you're ok with him, I'm ok with you keeping him.
 
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GAVol said:
I came really close to just deleting it as soon as I read the OP,but I left it just to see where it could possibly go from a train wreck beginning like that. The answer is, completely off a cliff.
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Remember always go with your first instinct.
 
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GAVol said:
I came really close to just deleting it as soon as I read the OP,but I left it just to see where it could possibly go from a train wreck beginning like that. The answer is, completely off a cliff.
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Good call. OP deserves what he gets in this one.
 
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G8R8U2 said:
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Do some of you guys even watch any college basketball besides UT?

No offense, but that press has broken teams a helluva lot better than UT this year. Kansas is a good example, we forced them into 24 turnovers. 24. UT only had 13, 15, and 16 in the 3 games.
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And ultimately getting the ball up the court was not enough, because they did not make florida pay for pressing. They let florida take valuable time off the shot clock and get set defensively while tiring them out trying to get the ball up. Just because there weren't a million turnovers doesn't mean our strategy of wait for the double team and lob the ball over the top paid off. We needed baskets against it.
 
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HialeahGator said:
Asinine. You had a great 5 game run but UF had 2 or 3 of those this season. This trash team held you to under 50 points and won despite nothing from Finnley-Smith and Frasier 7 pts. IF either play like last 6 games, UT gets beat by 15. Kids played with #1 team until final min of game so give them and Zo some credit.
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No florida did not ever anything remotely similar to what we were doing. Florida hasn't gone 5 games without trailing, florida hasn't beaten 3 straight SEC teams by 25+. Florida hasn't held teams to under 20 in the 1st half 4 straight games. Florida is a pretty deep, consistent team that's B and C game has been enough to beat the also -rans and underachievers in the SEC. Florida is not one of the most dynamic or talented teams in the country. They are not going to be a serious threat for the national championship. They just aren't good enough. And if Tennessee plays there game the way they have probably 4 or 5 times, there is nothing florida can do it about. Tennessee folded, period.
 
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G8R8U2 said:
Far more dominant over who? The bottom third of the SEC? Winning big over certain opponents just means you match up favorably against those specific opponents; winning all the time, even when you don't match up favorably, is the sign of a quality team... those guys FIND ways to win.

And you most definitely got hit by a barrage of great basketball by a juggernaut... great defensive basketball by a bona fide defensive juggernaut. You look at the game like rookie fans, only judging teams by their ability to score, and completely overlooking a team's ability to prevent scoring.

Yeah, the team that has 3 straight Elite 8 appearances, just became the first team to go 18-0 in the SEC, and is currently ranked #1 and on a 25-game winning streak is trash. We'd likely be undefeated if we hadn't had starters out against Wisky and UConn, a 6 and 1 point loss.

Clearly you didn't watch the game, but surely you can read the stats. UF shot about 48% from the field and about 37% from 3, which is easily good enough to win most of our games with our defense. UT shot about 42% and 16%, and the reason has nothing to do with your players or coach and everything to do with Billy's halftime adjustments and our players' execution of them. UT was hardly the first team we'd done this to this year.

Since you don't recognize what's going on, especially with UF, I'll go ahead and tell you what you should have seen. UF has led by 1, been tied, or been behind at the half in 11 SEC games this year; and won them all, most by double-digits. That's known as making first half assessments and second half adjustments.

How good is the defense really? In 40 halves of basketball, we've held SEC opponents to 30 points or less 25 times, and 7 of those were 20 points or less.

When you play defense like that, you don't have to score 75 or 80 a game. Lots of SEC teams average more points per game than we do; Arkansas, Kentucky, LSU, Ole Miss, Missouri, and Tennessee all average more, and Auburn averages the same as us.

But just like football, defense wins championships, and ours is so much better than all those teams that we still end up with the highest scoring margin in the SEC.

In fact, believe it or not, despite being less than spectacular offensively, we still rank #9 in the country in scoring margin, with an average of 13+ points per game... UT is #23 with a 10+ scoring margin.
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You absolutely make my point. You are 10 games better in the w/l column yet you win by only 3 more per game? How obvious it that Florida is more consistent but when Tennessee played well they were as dominant if not more so than Florida.
 
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GAVol said:
I came really close to just deleting it as soon as I read the OP,but I left it just to see where it could possibly go from a train wreck beginning like that. The answer is, completely off a cliff.
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Can we go ahead and delete it now? Total lunacy...
 
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#317
BOP said:
You absolutely make my point. You are 10 games better in the w/l column yet you win by only 3 more per game? How obvious it that Florida is more consistent but when Tennessee played well they were as dominant if not more so than Florida.
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Do you proofread your stuff before you hit the submit button?

A 3 point average advantage is worth 14 spots in the rankings.

UL is #1 and has a crazy margin, but there's less than 9 points difference between the #2 team and the #50 team.

3 points in that statistic doesn't sound like much, at least to folks who don't follow the game and never look at stats; but in that category it's obviously quite significant.
 
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G8R8U2 said:
Do you proofread your stuff before you hit the submit button?

A 3 point average advantage is worth 14 spots in the rankings.

UL is #1 and has a crazy margin, but there's less than 9 points difference between the #2 team and the #50 team.

3 points in that statistic doesn't sound like much, at least to folks who don't follow the game and never look at stats; but in that category it's obviously quite significant.
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Between 2 teams with a w/l record separated by 10 games it isn't a big difference whatsoever.
 
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#321
GAVol said:
I came really close to just deleting it as soon as I read the OP,but I left it just to see where it could possibly go from a train wreck beginning like that. The answer is, completely off a cliff.
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I almost did, as well... But this is becoming a classic.
 
#323
#323
vols 30 said:
Get ready for the Pops/Reese/Aj Davis show next year. Vols will dominate the boards.
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Yep, rebounding will be a major concern this fall. Don't be surprised if Moore or Reese are our leading rebounders. The backcourt should be a bit more solid with Austin at the point and Josh on the wing. If Hubbs brings an attitude offensively (like making a damn jump shot consistently) and Thompson steps up (taking a damn jump shot) it could be a decent team maybe getting 15 or 17 wins... maybe. Either way it will be a tough year. Perhaps CCM has another recruit (Juco) coming that may be a difference maker. Can't expect too much from the incoming Freshman.
 
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#324
BOP said:
There is nothing ridiculous about it. Mcrae and Stokes are better than anyone Florida has on their team. Tennessee is more athletic than florida, physically stronger than florida, and apparently far weaker mentally than florida. Florida may have went undefeated but they are far from an all time great SEC team and Ill guarantee you right now that they will not be in the final four. The idea that it is impossible to make them pay for that press is just absurd. the idea is to fire passes on a line to the open man as the trap/double team comes, not wait for it to come and then lob it to the open man. There are teams that will dunk on florida all night.
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Yeah that's why they're the #1 seed. Because they're so easy to beat. People should use your gameplan to beat Florida . All these other coaches who lost to them just aren't getting it done. But you my savant friend have the answer.
 
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BOP said:
Its on the players, its not on the coach, and it sure as hell isn't acceptable. For Mcrae and stokes to be calling wilbekin and Frazier the key to the game is just embarrassing. Hey idiots, you are the keys to the game. and mcrae played scared against wilbekin. He was willing to drive against 3 gators in the open floor but refused to take it at wilbekin. Weak minded team that can win a close game.
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