Creationist Museum gets big Tax Break

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orangeslice13 said:
Serious question. What does this mean to you? I get different answers from people who refer to themselves this way and I'm just curious what you think.

For example TRUT says there is a God, or was, but he doesn't know who God is or if He cares about us.(paraphrased)
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to me, it means that if there is a God, he is a scientist with a wicked sense of humor

why else would he create a vast universe, then create a tiny race of beings on a small planet in a jerkwater galaxy and have them believe that they are the only intelligent life in all the cosmos?
 
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orangeslice13 said:
I believe God created all that is. Billions and billions of years ago. Got 8 years of education for UT with a 3.7 GPA. Would you consider me a moron?
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Plenty of smart people believe in a creationist god. That doesn't make you a moron, but it does make you ignorant in certain regards.
 
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MG1968 said:
to me, it means that if there is a God, he is a scientist with a wicked sense of humor

why else would he create a vast universe, then create a tiny race of beings on a small planet in a jerkwater galaxy and have them believe that they are the only intelligent life in all the cosmos?
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So you do or don't Believe in intelligent design? If I'm hearing you correctly you sound more atheist.
 
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orangeslice13 said:
So you do or don't Believe in intelligent design? If I'm hearing you correctly you sound more atheist.
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if the universe was created by an intelligent being, our understanding of him or her isn't going to come from a book
 
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MG1968 said:
if the universe was created by an intelligent being, our understanding of him or her isn't going to come from a book
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Was there at any point in the past a intelligent being, Knowable or not, that created the universe in your opinion?

This creator does not have to be the one of the Bible. He or She could have never attempted to make himself known. my question is to your opinion of the origin of the universe.


I honestly am just trying to understand you. I'm not trying to convert you in any way to my way of thinking.
 
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orangeslice13 said:
So you do or don't Believe in intelligent design? If I'm hearing you correctly you sound more atheist.
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How about this, I don't believe in creationism or ID. In the first place, find distinguishing the two concepts to be difficult.

Why did anything need to come from something? Honestly, our entire reality could be trapped in a closed manifold, with no "beginning" or "end", "center" or "boundary", etc. This would make concepts like the big bang obsolete. Everything just is. Nothing more, nothing less. Besides, a concept like "time" isn't happening the way we perceive it, and probably isn't happening at all. Space could be the same way.

I understand the need to have to explain things with no explanation, it is how religion has made its money (so to speak) for ages. I just think it is overrated.

btw, atheist here.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
It all comes down to defining day, young earth cites a day to a thousand years...
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In reality, it comes down to whether or not a higher celestial being capable of creating universes, solar systems, planets, biomes, and lifeforms to live in them actually exists.

Aside from that little detail, you have your gap theory. However, MG said it best. There's no way we can know the actual timeline from a book.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
In reality, it comes down to whether or not a higher celestial being capable of creating universes, solar systems, planets, biomes, and lifeforms to live in them actually exists.

Aside from that little detail, you have your gap theory. However, MG said it best. There's no way we can know the actual timeline from a book.
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Thought we were talking about the short vs old earth.

Doctrine is another story

Also, who is you?
 
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orangeslice13 said:
Was there at any point in the past a intelligent being, Knowable or not, that created the universe in your opinion?

This creator does not have to be the one of the Bible. He or She could have never attempted to make himself known. my question is to your opinion of the origin of the universe.


I honestly am just trying to understand you. I'm not trying to convert you in any way to my way of thinking.
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when I try to wrap my head around the origin of the universe, I get a headache. Obviously, everything has a beginning and an end, however I don't believe that a metaphysical being is responsible for the creation of the universe.

I take an approach similar to Taoism, the universe just is. Where it came from isn't important to me.
 
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rjd970 said:
How about this, I don't believe in creationism or ID. In the first place, find distinguishing the two concepts to be difficult.

Why did anything need to come from something? Honestly, our entire reality could be trapped in a closed manifold, with no "beginning" or "end", "center" or "boundary", etc. This would make concepts like the big bang obsolete. Everything just is. Nothing more, nothing less. Besides, a concept like "time" isn't happening the way we perceive it, and probably isn't happening at all. Space could be the same way.

I understand the need to have to explain things with no explanation, it is how religion has made its money (so to speak) for ages. I just think it is overrated.

btw, atheist here.
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Nice post.
While I agree that time may not be as it appears,the "just is" has always been a problem for me. This is an attribute that has been ascribed to God that I have trouble Raping my mind around. In my simple mind I want things to have a beginning and an end but in reality energy is neither being created or destroyed. So wile we are born live then die the energy still is as our body's decay and the cycle continues. and while I understand convergence of energy I still struggle to grasp the concept of no beginning or end. But this is what both science and the Bible teach.
 
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MG1968 said:
when I try to wrap my head around the origin of the universe, I get a headache. Obviously, everything has a beginning and an end, however I don't believe that a metaphysical being is responsible for the creation of the universe.

I take an approach similar to Taoism, the universe just is. Where it came from isn't important to me.
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Did you see my post just above. I am stuck between these two concepts as we speak.

The universe I'm good with. It's the Begging of life that drives me crazy. Clearly I am "God exists" guy and I believe God Set things in motion so that they cycle (seed-tree-seed-tree) but what started it. With or without God, What started live? That's where my headaches come from.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
In reality, it comes down to whether or not a higher celestial being capable of creating universes, solar systems, planets, biomes, and lifeforms to live in them actually exists.

Aside from that little detail, you have your gap theory. However, MG said it best. There's no way we can know the actual timeline from a book.
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I'll be back to this in a little bit. I'm thinking.
 
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Oh come on. If you're gonna nuke my post, at least replace it with a

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OrangeEmpire said:
Thought we were talking about the short vs old earth.

Doctrine is another story

Also, who is you?
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We were, briefly. In actuality, the thread's about some private, exclusive museum receiving massive tax breaks.

I'm just another insignificant guy wasting his time talking politics and religion on a sports forum with other insignificant guys such as yourself.

Who is YOU?
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
We were, briefly. In actuality, the thread's about some private, exclusive museum receiving massive tax breaks.

I'm just another insignificant guy wasting his time talking politics and religion on a sports forum with other insignificant guys such as yourself.

Who is YOU?
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I asked YOU first, so there!
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
We were, briefly. In actuality, the thread's about some private, exclusive museum receiving massive tax breaks.

I'm just another insignificant guy wasting his time talking politics and religion on a sports forum with other insignificant guys such as yourself.

Who is YOU?
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I think a better topic might be, why are any private businesses getting tax breaks that aren't available for everyone. Or, if this is a widely available tax break, why does it matter what the nature of the business is? Because that is all this is: a business designed to take money from a specific clientele, just like any other.
 
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