Crime and the United States

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#329
lawgator1 said:
I'm hearing mixed facts on whether it was intentional or not. Guess time will tell.
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Edit to note I'm laughing at your response on this one and not the mixed facts on the other stories. Obviously, this is a tragedy regardless of intent.
 
#330
#330
jp1 said:
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Edit to note I'm laughing at your response on this one and not the mixed facts on the other stories. Obviously, this is a tragedy regardless of intent.
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Yes of course but the context was that there was some speculation that this was spawned by a loosely organized effort or might at least be similarly motivated. But of course if it was just an accident then it would not amount to that.
 
#335
#335
scooty_vol said:
If he's white, then it's intentional, if he's not, then it a break malfunction.
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#336
scooty_vol said:
Wait, so he's not a white guy? A bunch of people on here said he was white.
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One does not have to be caucasian, "white," or of European ancestry to harbor resentment and ill will to racial minorities. The effort to marginalize what occurred based on his race is pathetic as it does not address the real issue, which is not his own race but his hatred of racial minorities.
 
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#338
lawgator1 said:
One does not have to be caucasian, "white," or of European ancestry to harbor resentment and ill will to racial minorities. The effort to marginalize what occurred based on his race is pathetic as it does not address the real issue, which is not his own race but his hatred of racial minorities.
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I'm pointing out the narrative the media uses. According to the media, of they're white, then it's reported, if they're not white then it is buried. Incident should ever be marginalized when it comes to innocent people being killed. However, the media doesn't see it this way
 
#339
#339
scooty_vol said:
I'm pointing out the narrative the media uses. According to the media, of they're white, then it's reported, if they're not white then it is buried. Incident should ever be marginalized when it comes to innocent people being killed. However, the media doesn't see it this way
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They are reporting this and he's not white. So, tends to prove not that the race of the perpetrator matters, whereas their motive does.

Black, white, purple, brown, whatever. The race of the shooter is tangentially related to the reason he does what he does. He could be an anarchist, anti-gay, mad about disability benefits being cut, pizzed at an old girlfriend. That's what matters and should be reported.

I think what bothers you is that, while motives come in all shapes and sizes, there has been a distinct pattern of anti-minority race-based sentiment behind so many of these, particularly the completely random ones. So when mainstream folks express worry about how GOP politicians seem to creep up right to the edge of calling for violence, that contributes to the toxic atmosphere of the loons actually promoting or even celebrating these acts.

Its long past the point where plausible deniability for comments about "resorting to Second Amendment rights" and the like can be separated from these acts.
 
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#340
lawgator1 said:
They are reporting this and he's not white. So, tends to prove not that the race of the perpetrator matters, whereas their motive does.

Black, white, purple, brown, whatever. The race of the shooter is tangentially related to the reason he does what he does. He could be an anarchist, anti-gay, mad about disability benefits being cut, pizzed at an old girlfriend. That's what matters and should be reported.

I think what bothers you is that, while motives come in all shapes and sizes, there has been a distinct pattern of anti-minority race-based sentiment behind so many of these, particularly the completely random ones. So when mainstream folks express worry about how GOP politicians seem to creep up right to the edge of calling for violence, that contributes to the toxic atmosphere of the loons actually promoting or even celebrating these acts.

Its long past the point where plausible deniability for comments about "resorting to Second Amendment rights" and the like can be separated from these acts.
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anti-minority? as usual your conclusions are as accurate as a scud missile. it is the media who downplays assaults, murders or crimes if that person doing the act is a certain race. yes, they will report it but those stories die quickly and are not talked about again. it's comedy that you accuse the gop of going to the edge to call for violence when so many politicians in your party did call for violence. are you really that unaware?
 
#341
#341
W.TN.Orange Blood said:
Another shooting & killing going on by the mentally insane.

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The difference is lack of a political motive.

Shootings for any reason ( be it a robbery, a drug deal, or to make some sort of political statement) are all abhorrent and should be condemned. But don't equate motives where they are not, in fact, equal.
 
#342
#342
scooty_vol said:
anti-minority? as usual your conclusions are as accurate as a scud missile. it is the media who downplays assaults, murders or crimes if that person doing the act is a certain race. yes, they will report it but those stories die quickly and are not talked about again. it's comedy that you accuse the gop of going to the edge to call for violence when so many politicians in your party did call for violence. are you really that unaware?
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That's because a shooting over a robbery or gang violence is not political, whereas it is newsworthy when a randomized mass shooting is.
 
#343
#343
lawgator1 said:
That's because a shooting over a robbery or gang violence is not political, whereas it is newsworthy when a randomized mass shooting is.
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But it is only politicized when the shooter is defined as some right wing person, yet if it's not a "ring wing" person it is not reported as a political narrative. Everyone with any sense of objectivity knows its better to be a political leftist when doing some criminal act than being on the right.
 
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#344
scooty_vol said:
But it is only politicized when the shooter is defined as some right wing person, yet if it's not a "ring wing" person it is not reported as a political narrative. Everyone with any sense of objectivity knows its better to be a political leftist when doing some criminal act than being on the right.
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I get that the right wants more attention on these more basic crimes, such as gangs or robberies, to justify their continued obsession with owning a lot of firepower. That's a fine argument. I think its misplaced but I acknowledge the logic of it. Even then, it does not answer the fact that guns are being abused in a wholly different manner by those with a warped political agenda.
 
#345
#345
lawgator1 said:
I get that the right wants more attention on these more basic crimes, such as gangs or robberies, to justify their continued obsession with owning a lot of firepower. That's a fine argument. I think its misplaced but I acknowledge the logic of it. Even then, it does not answer the fact that guns are being abused in a wholly different manner by those with a warped political agenda.
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No, that's not accurate at all. There is no need to justify owning guns. Your party's agenda of letting bad people go is all gun owners need to justify carrying weapons. There are thousands of stories of people defending themselves with guns that is never in the news, ( which is proves my point of media bias). Our culture doesn't want to know the reasons behind these killings.
 
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#346
scooty_vol said:
No, that's not accurate at all. There is no need to justify owning guns. Your party's agenda of letting bad people go is all gun owners need to justify carrying weapons. There are thousands of stories of people defending themselves with guns that is never in the news, ( which is proves my point of media bias). Our culture doesn't want to know the reasons behind these killings.
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Talk about mixing issues!

First, with very rare exception, the politically motivated mass killings of late have nothing to do with early release terms for prisoners. These folks were not "letting bad people go." They weren't anything other than minor offenders prior to making a statement, almost always with an AR-15 style weapon which has been glorified on the right as able to kill many in a short period of time.

Second, its a fake justification. No one in their right mind thinks all these numbnuts out there with concealed or open firearms and with no training are going to stop a guy in body armor with an AR 15 or similar firepower. I am sure, inevitably given the frequency of these attacks, that one day it will happen. and the right will champion that one incident. But right now, the untrained vigilante nutjobs with guns running around out there should make us all worry, not feel safer.
 
#347
#347
scooty_vol said:
No, that's not accurate at all. There is no need to justify owning guns. Your party's agenda of letting bad people go is all gun owners need to justify carrying weapons. There are thousands of stories of people defending themselves with guns that is never in the news, ( which is proves my point of media bias). Our culture doesn't want to know the reasons behind these killings.
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The left love to persecute/prosecute people who defend themselves and property with guns. But they still seem to love the guy in blue who shot through a door into a crowd to kill a woman trying to climb through a capitol door - even though he wasn't threatened and it wasn't even his property.
 
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Cocaine Dealer whose life sentence was Commuted by Obama in 2015 is Charged with Shooting Female Passenger during Road Rage incident and Leaving Her BRAIN-DEAD, with victim Not expected to Survive

A convicted cocaine dealer, who was given a second chance when his life sentence was commuted by former President Obama in 2015 is back in prison on attempted murder charges after he shot a woman, leaving her brain-dead, cops say.

Alton Mills, 54, last made the news when Obama cut short his life sentence in 2015 after serving 22 years in jail for what were small time drugs offenses.

He received an exorbitant sentence after being arrested in 1993 on federal conspiracy charges as part of a crack cocaine conspiracy.

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Alton Mills, 54, a former coke dealer whose life sentence was commuted by Obama in 2015, has been charged with three counts of attempted murder

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So proud were the Obama administration at the time that he even posed with Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren who served as a special advisor under Barack Obama

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Cocaine dealer Obama commuted sentence charged with shooting woman in car and leaving her BRAIN-DEAD | Daily Mail Online
 
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