Critique of Nico’s throwing motion

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tone357 said:
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No offense, and I don't know who that entity is, but does it really matter? There have been a lot of great QB's with less than ideal throwing motions. As long as it gets there on time and in the right spot, I'm not sure why it matters. Hell, there are some fantastic golfers who have absolutely crazy golf swings, but it works for them and they're on tour doing quite well. You start monkeying with something like a throwing motion and you'd better be really sure of what you're going to get. Personally, if Nico gets the ball out quickly and on target, I say leave it the hell alone. Until it's "broke", don't fix it.
 
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CAVPUT said:
No offense, and I don't know who that entity is, but does it really matter? There have been a lot of great QB's with less than ideal throwing motions. As long as it gets there on time and in the right spot, I'm not sure why it matters. Hell, there are some fantastic golfers who have absolutely crazy golf swings, but it works for them and they're on tour doing quite well. You start monkeying with something like a throwing motion and you'd better be really sure of what you're going to get. Personally, if Nico gets the ball out quickly and on target, I say leave it the hell alone. Until it's "broke", don't fix it.
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A perfect example to illustrate your point, although not football-related, let alone quarterback-specific, can be found in Roberto Clemente, who was, without question, one of the greatest hitters the game of baseball has ever seen. Roberto's strike zone was essentially anything he could reach with his bat, whether it be at his toes or near his eyes. His style was distinctly unorthodox; he sometimes hit with great power although his weight was poised only on his front foot, and he could take a pitch on the inside corner of the plate and "inside out" the ball with power to right field. Sometimes sheer, raw talent trumps everything else and, in Clemente's case, it translated to a .317 lifetime batting average, four batting titles, and he would have had a heck of a lot more home runs if he had not played in the enormous cavern otherwise known as Forbes Field.
 
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The guy shows two instances here, one where Nico's feet are unusually far apart and his stance is a little low, the other where he's throwing back across his body awkwardly.

I didn't listen to his garbage commentary just for full disclosure. But I've watched just about everything Nico that's out there. There's NOTHING that alarms me about his throwing motion. It's pretty standard, not that unusual.
 
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You guys didn't actually watch and listen to the video. He is complimentary of Nico the whole video. Has a ton of good things to say about him, talks about how he has improved his motion, and shows game film to prove that Nico is every bit as talented as people say he is.
 
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Whether Nico goes on to have success or not will have very little to do with his stance and arm motion. This is what the analyst always do regarding quarterback prospects. They break down the mechanics, etc. This might work with baseball pitchers but imo not qbs. Arm strength and mechanics matters some. But not unless they are good at all the other things.

What makes or breaks a quarterbacks ultimate success is their mind. Their pocket presence, moxie, and ability to feel pressure and slide around in the pocket to buy time while keeping their eyes down the field. Also, seeing the lanes and just having a great understanding of physics, momentum, and angles. That’s what makes a quarterback great. There are tons of examples of guys like JG, that had good mechanics and size, but we’re just terrible at playing quarterback. Time will tell if Nico has it or not. But his release and stance won’t determine how far he goes.
 
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CAVPUT said:
No offense, and I don't know who that entity is, but does it really matter? There have been a lot of great QB's with less than ideal throwing motions. As long as it gets there on time and in the right spot, I'm not sure why it matters. Hell, there are some fantastic golfers who have absolutely crazy golf swings, but it works for them and they're on tour doing quite well. You start monkeying with something like a throwing motion and you'd better be really sure of what you're going to get. Personally, if Nico gets the ball out quickly and on target, I say leave it the hell alone. Until it's "broke", don't fix it.
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Tebow comes to mind
 
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Was prepared to flame prior to viewing the video, but this is why QB coaches and gurus exist. Little, correctable bad habits that an athlete maybe never notices. Famously Kerry Collins and Phillip Rivers had minor hitches in their throwing motion that were coached down but never fully corrected. They got the most out of their abilities and considered success stories (or HOF in Rivers case). Conversely Tim Tebow had delivery issues that he worked feverishly to correct but never succeeded. Most likely it’s more relevant to your talent level. In this era of year long 7x7 camps and individual coaching, any issues are trivial to all but the best eyes…and we employ a couple in Heupel and Halzle. Good on this guy imo.
 
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jaguinn5 said:
You guys didn't actually watch and listen to the video. He is complimentary of Nico the whole video. Has a ton of good things to say about him, talks about how he has improved his motion, and shows game film to prove that Nico is every bit as talented as people say he is.
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It was prob his clickbaity title that threw everyone off. He's just nitpicking at his mechanics a little bit, which is fine, and you can do that with any kid.

Still have the same conclusions before listening as I do after. Any mechanical issues Nico has are very subtle and fixable, and he mostly displays an excellent, consistent throwing form.

As somebody mentioned above, the mental aspect of the game will be much more important for a kid who hasn't played a college snap and already has a multi-million dollar price tag on him.
 
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utvolpj said:
And Peyton was going to struggle in the NFL because of happy feet. Some people get paid to coach football and others just make videos
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And there’s a third group who make videos AND teach/coach at clinics across the country. I believe I’m familiar with this guy. On your Peyton note? He got that “happy feet” critique due to his intentional leg movement before passing while at UT. If it was still present while a pro in Indy or Denver, it was nowhere near as exaggerated.
 
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If you watch the video and the 2 throws that he made the first throw was into a tight widow the second throw not so much. I think most of the time a QB release depends on what type of throw he has to make and you see that with Nico. The thing about our offense that I believe will go a long way in helping him out will be the fact of how many easy throws our offense can produce there for he won't have to put everything into like he had to on the first throw in the video.
 
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CAVPUT said:
No offense, and I don't know who that entity is, but does it really matter? There have been a lot of great QB's with less than ideal throwing motions. As long as it gets there on time and in the right spot, I'm not sure why it matters. Hell, there are some fantastic golfers who have absolutely crazy golf swings, but it works for them and they're on tour doing quite well. You start monkeying with something like a throwing motion and you'd better be really sure of what you're going to get. Personally, if Nico gets the ball out quickly and on target, I say leave it the hell alone. Until it's "broke", don't fix it.
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124K "followers", I'm not too concerned. It's easy to "sell out" 25 spots...
 
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jaguinn5 said:
You guys didn't actually watch and listen to the video. He is complimentary of Nico the whole video. Has a ton of good things to say about him, talks about how he has improved his motion, and shows game film to prove that Nico is every bit as talented as people say he is.
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It's very apparent that they didn't LOL
 
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tone357 said:
I can tell that some of you have never seen a young man or kid injure his arm because of really bad mechanics. They can get away with it for a while, but when the volume of throws start to accumulate, damage can occur.
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It better to burn out than fade away.
 
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