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VolBeef88 said:
I don't see how anyone who watched that could not be impressed with the way CPF runs the show. There is no doubt he is the man and you can tell that the staff and players respect him big time. I liked when CPF was working with the line and told one of the linemen to "get your butt down and come out come on, Im 56 years old and can do it lets go!" The man has fire. Chief is the missing link! I now know it for sure.
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I'm sure it looks nice and paints a pretty picture. However, I have yet to see one of these "documentaries" that don't make whatever staff they are following look good. Well, the one they did on Tark when he was at Fresno wasn't exactly flattering, but it's hard to look good when you're averaging a suspension or arrest a week during filming.
 
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OrangeSquare said:
Interesting how none of the NegaVols watch shows like this and have an opinion on them.

Guess when it clearly shows all the things you say about Phil arent' true, you tend to stay away from it. Good plan.
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You mean we have won an SEC championship since '98? TCHFCATUTK wasn't an NCAA informer? We haven't had a plethora of arrests the last two offseasons? We weren't 5-6 last year? If this documentary proves those things are false, I humbly apologize to TCHFCATUTK.
 
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One thing I think the show did prove...
Tennessee needs a designated special teams coach. And by that I mean, go the heck out and hire one! The practice session that was shown during special teams sessions seemed the least together of everything I saw...
 
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hatvol96 said:
I'm sure it looks nice and paints a pretty picture. However, I have yet to see one of these "documentaries" that don't make whatever staff they are following look good. Well, the one they did on Tark when he was at Fresno wasn't exactly flattering, but it's hard to look good when you're averaging a suspension or arrest a week during filming.
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hate, why don't you find a way to watch it then comment. It is very good. Even those who don't like CPF will have to agree.
 
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I really enjoyed the show as well, but I do have a different take on some things.

I know everyone gets pumped to see the coaches yelling and screaming and equate that to "see, they are good." While I do like to see some enthusiasm, it really is not a barometer of whether or not they are or are not good coaches. It is, to me, a little bit irrelevant. Yelling and screaming is not teaching; it's emotion. You can be emotional all you want, but the best coaches in any sport are predominantly the best teachers. Teaching is what we have been lacking, not yelling.

I think they do have a good coaching staff over there, now that the old offensive regime has been replaced with Cutty & Co. But the difference is that Ainge and the boys are LEARNING how to play. I'm sure CRS yelled at them too, but that didn't seem to matter.

Some of the best coaches are not yellers. John Wooden, Tom Osborne, Mike Holmgren, Steve Spurrier, Dean Smith, Vince Lombardi, Bill Walsh, Don Shula, and on and on. Yes, I'm sure they yelled when they needed to. But their MO was not to yell when something wasn't done right, it was too teach how to do it properly.

So I liked to show, and enjoyed the inside look at TN. I also enjoyed the enthusiasm and the meeting room segments. I particularly liked Cutty's attention to detail and his insistence that it be done efficiently and properly each and every time. You could also see that CPF has not lost it, he does care, and he is into winning. I never did by that "he's gotten lazy" argument for a second. He just needed some better help.
 
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i have a ? i have only been on this site for a couple months now, but what in the heck is a negavol, is it a Vol fan that just complains or is it like a bama fan or something like, if its a vols fan that likes to complain (FIND A NEW TEAM THAT IS PERFECT)By the way you guys who havent seen maybe check their website, i havent yet but im about to i let you know
 
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VolBeef88 said:
hate, why don't you find a way to watch it then comment. It is very good. Even those who don't like CPF will have to agree.
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I'm sure it is. I don't really have any interest in it because it's been done a million times before. I seriously doubt there's anything groundbreaking.
 
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CPF, Cut and Chavis are way better coaches than anyone on this board thinks or knows. They have the age and experience that count. :thumbsup:
 
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TravisHenryCBlockedMe said:
My favorite part was when Trooper was reviewing film with the wr's. He said "this is why you come to wide receiver U". Then he kept playing and rewinding Chris Brown's touchdown dance. He said (paraphrasing) "You need to work on your club moves" then someone says "what is he doing?" talking about Brown's dance. Trooper continues " ok, youre leanin with it, rockin with it...i aint mad at ya". Later on in the show he's going down the Vol walk jumpin up and down, waving a towel trying to get the fans fired up.

The players must love him. Real cool guy. I'd love to get some beers with him.
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Haha, this was my favorite part to. I was rolling :)
 
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Liper said:
I really enjoyed the show as well, but I do have a different take on some things.

I know everyone gets pumped to see the coaches yelling and screaming and equate that to "see, they are good." While I do like to see some enthusiasm, it really is not a barometer of whether or not they are or are not good coaches. It is, to me, a little bit irrelevant. Yelling and screaming is not teaching; it's emotion. You can be emotional all you want, but the best coaches in any sport are predominantly the best teachers. Teaching is what we have been lacking, not yelling.

I think they do have a good coaching staff over there, now that the old offensive regime has been replaced with Cutty & Co. But the difference is that Ainge and the boys are LEARNING how to play. I'm sure CRS yelled at them too, but that didn't seem to matter.

Some of the best coaches are not yellers. John Wooden, Tom Osborne, Mike Holmgren, Steve Spurrier, Dean Smith, Vince Lombardi, Bill Walsh, Don Shula, and on and on. Yes, I'm sure they yelled when they needed to. But their MO was not to yell when something wasn't done right, it was too teach how to do it properly.

So I liked to show, and enjoyed the inside look at TN. I also enjoyed the enthusiasm and the meeting room segments. I particularly liked Cutty's attention to detail and his insistence that it be done efficiently and properly each and every time. You could also see that CPF has not lost it, he does care, and he is into winning. I never did by that "he's gotten lazy" argument for a second. He just needed some better help.
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i don't think anyone was saying that the coaches' MO is that of yelling, etc. if anything, i'm sure most think that fulmer rarely yells and shows emotion. the point was that it shows the "other side" of fulmer--the one we sometimes criticize as not being there. and i'm not sure how you know who's a yeller and who's not. as with most coaches, i'm sure they all have their moments. there really aren't any coaches that i think we can say are "yellers" all the time or not ever "yellers"--all we see is their sideline demeanor
 
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i thought Chavis was going to have a heart attack there towards the end of the show when he was yelling.

and they weren't talking about the dance Brown was doing, they were talking about they little jig Swain was doing in the background. the "what is he doing?" was refering to Swain and the hand jive/finger snapping whatever you want to call it he was doing. and love how Trooper preaches about giving the ball to the ref.

the one thing i noticed was the players having fun with their coaches and with each other. don't kno how practice has been last year, but it seems like they're having more fun this year.
 
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SCSmokey said:
i don't think anyone was saying that the coaches' MO is that of yelling, etc. if anything, i'm sure most think that fulmer rarely yells and shows emotion. the point was that it shows the "other side" of fulmer--the one we sometimes criticize as not being there. and i'm not sure how you know who's a yeller and who's not. as with most coaches, i'm sure they all have their moments. there really aren't any coaches that i think we can say are "yellers" all the time or not ever "yellers"--all we see is their sideline demeanor
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What I referring to was that it seemed like some others were pointing to the coaches' enthusiasm as evidence that they were, in fact, good coaches, as opposed to the detractors that say they are bad coaches.

As you say, some criticize Fulmer for not being animated enough on the sideline, and then use that as evidence that he is not good. Some like CTT for the opposite reason. Others say, "Ha, CPF does have it, so he is good."

I'm saying neither is true. Yelling and jumping mean nothing. Teaching/coaching or whatever you call it is what matters. And that equates to instilling the knowledge and habits into the players in such a way that it is manifest during the game. This results in execution.

Bill Walsh didn't develop the 49ers original west coast offense by chewing their asses out. Did he yell? I guess; I don't know. But you know from what happened and the way his players responded and talked about him that they respected his insight and his ability to coach, never that he stood up on water coolers and blew a blood vessel before every practice.
 
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hatvol96 said:
You mean we have won an SEC championship since '98? TCHFCATUTK wasn't an NCAA informer? We haven't had a plethora of arrests the last two offseasons? We weren't 5-6 last year? If this documentary proves those things are false, I humbly apologize to TCHFCATUTK.
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I did watch it and I can tell you that...none of this was proven false. Back-to-back Peach Bowl losses, losing control of James Banks, "the future", and Schaeffer, choking away the '01 sec cg against a backup qb and rb, having a losing record to spurrier, meyer and richt...these things were also not proven false.

Look, the documentary showed me that Fulmer does more coaching then I thought. And he runs the program well, like a business. But that doesnt take away the fact that he is a mediocre coach. Besides the one clip of him digging on the linemen, you saw the vast majority of coaching being done by the assistants. Which isnt surpring, considering Fulmer's record without one certain assistant (Cut).
 
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Liper said:
I really enjoyed the show as well, but I do have a different take on some things.

I know everyone gets pumped to see the coaches yelling and screaming and equate that to "see, they are good." While I do like to see some enthusiasm, it really is not a barometer of whether or not they are or are not good coaches. It is, to me, a little bit irrelevant. Yelling and screaming is not teaching; it's emotion. You can be emotional all you want, but the best coaches in any sport are predominantly the best teachers. Teaching is what we have been lacking, not yelling.

I think they do have a good coaching staff over there, now that the old offensive regime has been replaced with Cutty & Co. But the difference is that Ainge and the boys are LEARNING how to play. I'm sure CRS yelled at them too, but that didn't seem to matter.

Some of the best coaches are not yellers. John Wooden, Tom Osborne, Mike Holmgren, Steve Spurrier, Dean Smith, Vince Lombardi, Bill Walsh, Don Shula, and on and on. Yes, I'm sure they yelled when they needed to. But their MO was not to yell when something wasn't done right, it was too teach how to do it properly.

So I liked to show, and enjoyed the inside look at TN. I also enjoyed the enthusiasm and the meeting room segments. I particularly liked Cutty's attention to detail and his insistence that it be done efficiently and properly each and every time. You could also see that CPF has not lost it, he does care, and he is into winning. I never did by that "he's gotten lazy" argument for a second. He just needed some better help.
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Liper I'm sorry but your wrong on some of these coaches. Vinny L was a big time yeller. So was SOS and Shula. The reason some of us pointed that out is that some of the CPF haters use the "he doesn't care and shows no emotion" crap. If you watch this you can tell that is not the case.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
Liper I'm sorry but your wrong on some of these coaches. Vinny L was a big time yeller. So was SOS and Shula. The reason some of us pointed that out is that some of the CPF haters use the "he doesn't care and shows no emotion" crap. If you watch this you can tell that is not the case.
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Lombardi would yell, yes. But that, as I understand it, was not his thrust in coaching. He was a practice and practice until you do it right guy. Even if you run three plays, run them perfectly.

SOS I would not call a yeller. He whines a little, throws a fit here and there, but he is a logician more than anything. He's a lot like a modern day Lombardi. Over and over and over and don't make it too complicated.

Look, I don't want to get this sidetracked into personalities. My point is that it doesn't matter.

But I'm with you on the enthusiasm of CPF. I think he's a pretty fiery guy, this I do know. I think he understands how that works. Those that think CTT is the best coach because he chest bumps don't stand on much.

Too many people and coaches think that they it's all about getting people fired up. Sure that matters, but once you're down 3 TDs that doesn't help. It's about getting 11 pistons firing together and properly. To me, that's coaching. And the bad ones don't get all 11 firing; the good ones do. It's also why I ABSOLUTELY THROW UP when I hear coaches blame the players for not playing well over the course of entire season (see 2005 TN).
 
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hatvol96 said:
I'm sure it is. I don't really have any interest in it because it's been done a million times before. I seriously doubt there's anything groundbreaking.
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It's not a "groundbreaking" kind of thing. It is an inside look at a week of prep with a football team. It's just interesting to watch and see all that goes on. I think (for instance) a lot of folks were surprised to see CPF show as much fire during practice. It's just a good piece that fans should enjoy.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
It's not a "groundbreaking" kind of thing. It is an inside look at a week of prep with a football team. It's just interesting to watch and see all that goes on. I think (for instance) a lot of folks were surprised to see CPF show as much fire during practice. It's just a good piece that fans should enjoy.
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I don't think anyone can find a post from me on this board where I say TCHFCATUTK isn't actively involved in practice. The only criticism I've had in that regard was that I urged him to take control of the O line from Barry and JR Stevens.
 
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TravisHenryCBlockedMe said:
I did watch it and I can tell you that...none of this was proven false. Back-to-back Peach Bowl losses, losing control of James Banks, "the future", and Schaeffer, choking away the '01 sec cg against a backup qb and rb, having a losing record to spurrier, meyer and richt...these things were also not proven false.

Look, the documentary showed me that Fulmer does more coaching then I thought. And he runs the program well, like a business. But that doesnt take away the fact that he is a mediocre coach. Besides the one clip of him digging on the linemen, you saw the vast majority of coaching being done by the assistants. Which isnt surpring, considering Fulmer's record without one certain assistant (Cut).
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Head coaches at ALL schools are limited in the time they focus on any given day or practice. They usually evaluate what is going on. Bear Bryant stayed in a tower so he could see more and evaluate the whole team. Hence the title HEAD coach and not POSITION coach or coodinator.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I don't think anyone can find a post from me on this board where I say TCHFCATUTK isn't actively involved in practice. The only criticism I've had in that regard was that I urged him to take control of the O line from Barry and JR Stevens.
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I was not talking about you in particular. I think another thing this did was show people who don't know just how much is involved in prep for a game and why it's hard for a Head coach to spend much time with a certain position. It is really worth watching if you get a chance.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
I was not talking about you in particular. I think another thing this did was show people who don't know just how much is involved in prep for a game and why it's hard for a Head coach to spend much time with a certain position. It is really worth watching if you get a chance.
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I don't mean this curtly, but I've been around enough to have a pretty good idea what game preperation entails. If the show was about a coach who I found interesting, I might watch it. Otherwise, I'm not much on spending two hours of my life to confirm what I already know. Being a head coach is a tough, grueling job. I've never said otherwise.
 
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