Cuba (The Sleeping Giant)

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#28
Cuba is more like a black hole than a sleeping giant.


"Mr. Fontova points out that in 2006 both France and Mexico cut off Cuba’s credit line. Cuba owed $175 million to the French and $365 million to the Mexican government operated banks.

He also notes that in 2008 Cuba owed South Africa $117 million, dating back to 1996 and that Dun & Bradstreet, Moody’s and Standard & Poors rate the island communist nation’s credit extremely poor."
 
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gsvol said:
Cuba is more like a black hole than a sleeping giant.


"Mr. Fontova points out that in 2006 both France and Mexico cut off Cuba’s credit line. Cuba owed $175 million to the French and $365 million to the Mexican government operated banks.

He also notes that in 2008 Cuba owed South Africa $117 million, dating back to 1996 and that Dun & Bradstreet, Moody’s and Standard & Poors rate the island communist nation’s credit extremely poor."
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Combined, the money owed in each case adds up to less than $1 billion. The US sh*ts $1 billion away in copier paper every day probably. Spitting in the ocean...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Combined, the money owed in each case adds up to less than $1 billion. The US sh*ts $1 billion away in copier paper every day probably. Spitting in the ocean...
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So the Castro brothers are thinking about giving back the farms and businesses to the rightful owners who had earned it through generations of hard work that the Castros confiscated back in 1959?????????????

Not only that we will never call them to account for the millions of murders they committed to consolidate their political power???????

Understand the mobius principle??

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I understand your concerns about the US and the national debt.

What very few people understand is that socialism isn't the antithema of capitalism, it is the desired goal of capitalism.

To put the current events into perspective, the Obama call for a blank check for a trillion dollars equals more than a million dollars a day since the day Jesus was born.

And furthermore, people do not understand we are giving a trillion dollars to the real capitalists of the world in order to spend a trillion dollars ourselves.

It gets worse, we not only give them free gratis, a trillion dollars, we give them the right to loan out nine trillion more and collect interest on that any where on the globe they care to.

Tell me about it!!!

Talk about Tamerlane and how he kept the cities of India like 'fat cows tethered in the sunshine.'

All I can say is Mooooooo!

I'm so reminded of Frank Zappa's short dissertation on
physics; "they say hydrogen is the basic building block of the universe, they are wrong, stupidity is the basic building block of the universe."
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Combined, the money owed in each case adds up to less than $1 billion. The US sh*ts $1 billion away in copier paper every day probably. Spitting in the ocean...
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Less than a billion????

How many billions in money have flowed into Cuba from Russia that has propped up the Castro regime for the past half century??

How much support has recently gone into Cuba from the moronic Chavez regime???

Does money still flow into Cuba from the murderously corrupt marxist ANC of South Africa who are raping the wealth of those who made that nation great???

Instead of spitting in the ocean, perhaps you are speaking of spitting into the wind???
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
AFP: Obama offers talks with Cuba

:dance2: :rock:


Can we look past our partisan differences in this one instance and support this apparent shift in policy?
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If it's that easy I say go for it. However, if due diligence isn't done regarding who Cuba is aligned with I say hold on just a minute. The acreage in Cuba is way too critical to our security to just go rushing in with the glad hand.
 
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#35
America has been trading with China for decades now even giving the most favored nation status after the Tiananmen Square massacre. Castro was/is a bad guy and responsible for many human rights violations; however, he cannot hold a candle to what China has done and continues to do. If America trades and deals with China, there is nor reason America should not also deal and trade with Cuba.
 
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joevol320 said:
i have a friend who married a canadian girl and he became a resident of canada. they went to cuba for their honeymoon. he said the beaches and resorts were amazing. he said there is so much potential of money to be made there.
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Before the Castro brothers came along Cuba had the highest per capita income in the western hemisphere.

While murdering all who objected and all political opposition, in numbers that per capita surpassed all others with the possible exception of Pol Pot in Cambodia, the Castro brothers along with the likes of the bloodthirsty murderer Che Guevara, ran the Cuban economy into nothing in a couple of short years.

I mean they murdered teenagers for listening to American rock and roll.

I worked for a while with Cubans in Miami who had managed to escape with little more than their lives.

I loved them, they were industrious, cheerful and courteous, I have nothing against the Cuban people but I still have a problem with easing relations with a totalitarian regime of any kind.

Put lipstick on a pig and you might get a prettier pig but that still doesn't negate the fact that it is indeed still a pig!
 
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gsvol said:
Before the Castro brothers came along Cuba had the highest per capita income in the western hemisphere.

While murdering all who objected and all political opposition, in numbers that per capita surpassed all others with the possible exception of Pol Pot in Cambodia, the Castro brothers along with the likes of the bloodthirsty murderer Che Guevara, ran the Cuban economy into nothing in a couple of short years.

I mean they murdered teenagers for listening to American rock and roll.

I worked for a while with Cubans in Miami who had managed to escape with little more than their lives.

I loved them, they were industrious, cheerful and courteous, I have nothing against the Cuban people but I still have a problem with easing relations with a totalitarian regime of any kind.

Put lipstick on a pig and you might get a prettier pig but that still doesn't negate the fact that it is indeed still a pig!
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So you love the Cuban people so much you want them to suffer more? Classy.
 
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Brewerw said:
So you love the Cuban people so much you want them to suffer more? Classy.
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And the Cubans are going to suffer less if we ease trade relations and put them on the list of countries to which we remit American tax dollars in foreign aid??? What a freaking travesty of justice!!!!

I doubt it, first thing, even though Raul can't resurect the millions murdered by their regime, they could release their political prisoners and allow them free speech.

Your thinking is typical of leftist liberal socialists the world over, throw more money at it and things will work themselves out.

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I suppose you think it's really really classy that the present US government has placed severe sanctions on Honduras for legally throwing out a would be Castro/Chavez/Ortega/Stalin/Mao when he tried to make himself president for life and a US government that has the audacity to call the Honduran Supreme Court and it's Legislature 'coup leaders' for legally deposing the would be despot???????

Simply brilliant!!!

I went to the super market the other day and bought one Honduran bell pepper for $2.39 plus tax, just to help out some poor Honduran farmer who is unfairly treated by this superfulous administration in Washington.

Read about the real deal with Cuba!

Yet according to figures from the U.S. Department of Commerce (that one would surely hope the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations could easily access.) the U.S. transacted $710 million with Cuba in 2008, and has transacted more than $2 BILLION worth of business with Cuba in the last decade. Currently the U.S. is Cuba's biggest food supplier and 5th biggest import partner.

Furthermore, the U.S. has been Cuba's biggest donor of humanitarian aid including medicine and medical supplies for decades. All this together with the almost $2 billion a year in remittances from the U.S. ranks our nation right between Red China and Hugo’s Venezuela as a Castro business partner. Some embargo!
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orangestorm said:
America has been trading with China for decades now even giving the most favored nation status after the Tiananmen Square massacre. Castro was/is a bad guy and responsible for many human rights violations; however, he cannot hold a candle to what China has done and continues to do. If America trades and deals with China, there is nor reason America should not also deal and trade with Cuba.
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"One death is a tragedy, a million a statistic."
Josef Stalin

Mao was responsible for around 60 million deaths but on a per capita basis the Castro brothers and company were responsible for more and many more people were able to escape Cuba after their power grab than from China.

On a continueing basis the two are about the same on human rights issues.

I agree that most favored trade status for China is just wrong!! (not to mention ill advised sanctions against Honduras.)

Christopher Andrew in his book (The KGB and the Battle for the Third World) relates an event from the meeting of intelligence services friendly to the Soviet Union as follows:

“At the final meeting of soviet-bloc intelligence services (also attended by Cuba, Mongolia and Vietnam) in East Berlin in 1988, the speeches included examples of black humor unthinkable before. One delegation leader asked the question, ‘What is socialism?’ – then gave the politically incorrect answer: ‘The most difficult and tortuous way to progress from capitalism to capitalism’”.

Twenty two years later Cuba is finally telling the world the truth.

When will that happen in Zimbabwe, Angola and South Africa, and a host of other African continent governments that were influenced by the direct intervention of Cuban and North Korean troops????



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#42
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BBC News - Cuba to cut one million public sector jobs


It is biggest shift to the private sector since the coup in 1959.

Cuba's communist government currently controls almost all aspects of the country's economy and employs about 85% of the workforce.
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The governing Communist Party has indicated that strict rules limiting private enterprise will be relaxed and many more licenses will be issued allowing people to become self-employed.

Existing private businesses will be allowed to employ staff for the first time.
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I know gibbs and the rest of Barry's azzkissers must be terribly upset at this developement.





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#43
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Ironic how we trade places with Cuba. The public sector jobs grow here and Castro shrinks them there.
 
#44
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CSpindizzy said:
Ironic how we trade places with Cuba. The public sector jobs grow here and Castro shrinks them there.
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‘What is socialism?’

‘The most difficult and tortuous way to progress from capitalism to capitalism’.

The latest on the lies vs the truth when it comes to obamama socialist health care:

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Outright lies:

If you like your health insurance, you can keep it.

It will bend the cost curve of health care spending.

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It will not lead to a government take over of health insurance.

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The list of unintended consequences of Obamacare is long. Despite the exorbitant cost to Americans on several levels, the health care overhaul will fail to deliver on the promises for which it was sold.
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I recomend watching the slide show.
 
#45
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gsvol said:
And the Cubans are going to suffer less if we ease trade relations and put them on the list of countries to which we remit American tax dollars in foreign aid??? What a freaking travesty of justice!!!!

I doubt it, first thing, even though Raul can't resurect the millions murdered by their regime, they could release their political prisoners and allow them free speech.

Your thinking is typical of leftist liberal socialists the world over, throw more money at it and things will work themselves out.

Prez-Dispenser.gif


I suppose you think it's really really classy that the present US government has placed severe sanctions on Honduras for legally throwing out a would be Castro/Chavez/Ortega/Stalin/Mao when he tried to make himself president for life and a US government that has the audacity to call the Honduran Supreme Court and it's Legislature 'coup leaders' for legally deposing the would be despot???????

Simply brilliant!!!

I went to the super market the other day and bought one Honduran bell pepper for $2.39 plus tax, just to help out some poor Honduran farmer who is unfairly treated by this superfulous administration in Washington.

Read about the real deal with Cuba!
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How in the HELL do you think opening trade relations with Cuba is a "leftist liberal socialist" stance? Not only is "leftist liberal socialist" possibly the most redundant description I've ever heard, it's couldn't be more off. What we're doing now is a far more "leftist liberal socialist" way of dealing with things than opening trade relations. We pretty much just give them money and food right now. Sweet. That's super "rightist conservative objectivist" if you ask me... NO. Stop giving them free crap and trade with them. Hell, from the Cigar trade alone thousands of new Cuban jobs would be created. The Castro Bro's killed people sure, but so does every revolution. We don't trade with Cuba because of the Cuban Missile Crisis. To believe otherwise is ridiculous. China is the biggest bully in the world and they're our biggest trading partner. The best way to end the Castro Bro's rule is prosperity through free trade. Or dumb stance for 50 years has clearly made ZERO difference to them. The Cold War ended 20 years ago, grow up.
 
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Brewerw said:
How in the HELL do you think opening trade relations with Cuba is a "leftist liberal socialist" stance? Not only is "leftist liberal socialist" possibly the most redundant description I've ever heard, it's couldn't be more off. What we're doing now is a far more "leftist liberal socialist" way of dealing with things than opening trade relations. We pretty much just give them money and food right now. Sweet. That's super "rightist conservative objectivist" if you ask me... NO. Stop giving them free crap and trade with them. Hell, from the Cigar trade alone thousands of new Cuban jobs would be created. The Castro Bro's killed people sure, but so does every revolution. We don't trade with Cuba because of the Cuban Missile Crisis. To believe otherwise is ridiculous. China is the biggest bully in the world and they're our biggest trading partner. The best way to end the Castro Bro's rule is prosperity through free trade. Or dumb stance for 50 years has clearly made ZERO difference to them. The Cold War ended 20 years ago, grow up.
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I beg to differ on a few points.

The reason we don't trade with Cuba is because they confiscated property belonging to Americans and to believe otherwise is to be a brainwashed moron, we weren't trading with Cuba long before the missile crisis doofus.

There was no 'revolution' in Cuba, that was a marxist coup and we didn't murder millions of political opponents after the American revolution.

Just because Bush I said the cold war was over doesn't make it so, if it were why would Russia be supporting Chavez in Venezuela, selling them 250,000 AK-47s and staging joint naval exercises and such??

Just because China is our biggest trading partner doesn't make it right and what do we get in return, China is the second largest holder of America debt. If Washington was right we would hold their feet to the fire on human rights issues.

I'll be willing to have free trade with Cuba when Cuba restores the property to American Cubans that they seized in the 1960s and when they confess to their many crimes, release political disidents from their prisons and when the Castro brothers and others are brought before an international tribunal and prosecuted for genocide.

Until then you can grow the hell up yourself big boy!!
 
#47
#47
What do you propose trading with Cuba? I surely hope you weren't serious on the cigar front. Cigars from Cuba now are about as valuable as the ones you buy at the register at the local gas station. Surely you have a better proposal on trade.
 
#48
#48
CSpindizzy said:
What do you propose trading with Cuba? I surely hope you weren't serious on the cigar front. Cigars from Cuba now are about as valuable as the ones you buy at the register at the local gas station. Surely you have a better proposal on trade.
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we'll take all the hot Cuban women, in return, Cuba will get all of our Congressional democrat women.

Domenican cigars are just as good as the mythical Cuban cigar
 
#49
#49
Many Dominican and Honduran cigars are actually from Cuban seeds taken with the families who fled Cuba in '59 and '60. So Dominicans and Hondurans are probably more true to being Cubans as people once knew them.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
What do you propose trading with Cuba? I surely hope you weren't serious on the cigar front. Cigars from Cuba now are about as valuable as the ones you buy at the register at the local gas station. Surely you have a better proposal on trade.
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What kind does Slick Willy use??

We are going to open trade with these murderers while we embargo Honduras because they wouldn't entertain the idea of having a marxist tyrant take over their country???

Who the hell is running this country anyway, we the people or a bunch of commies?????

Honduran economic embargo

Francisco Morazan the father of the patria of Central America must be rolling in his grave.
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