Cuonzo Martin Out At Missouri

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SDV said:
I see it the opposite. He seems to move on before he knows that he’ll be fired.
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I don't think anywhere he's been before Missouri he was in any real immediate danger of getting fired, but I can agree he seemed to jump ship when he thought it wasn't going to get any better. Missouri St. he probably could have stayed as long as he wanted. His S16 run here probably bought him at least 2 more years, and he under performed at Cal based on the talent he brought in but he was still winning 20+ games and it's Cal so he probably would have at least 2 more years there.

Mizzou is the first place I think he actually dug his own grave and stayed long enough to end up in it.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I don't think anywhere he's been before Missouri he was in any real immediate danger of getting fired, but I can agree he seemed to jump ship when he thought it wasn't going to get any better. Missouri St. he probably could have stayed as long as he wanted. His S16 run here probably bought him at least 2 more years, and he under performed at Cal based on the talent he brought in but he was still winning 20+ games and it's Cal so he probably would have at least 2 more years there.

Mizzou is the first place I think he actually dug his own grave and stayed long enough to end up in it.
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I thought he did a nice job at Missouri State, but for the late run to the Sweet 16 at UT, he was on the hot seat. His teams were boring and he didn't interact and excite the fan base. That is huge at UT, regardless of the sport. Then he goes to Cal thinking that he's going to take over the Pac 10 and is just simply mediocre. Same style of boring basketball. Somehow he lands the Mizzou job, thinking he will take over because of the St. Louis angle, and winds up exactly where we all expected him to. Mediocre, boring basketball. I think he will do well at a smaller school, just like he did at Missouri State. I have nothing against the man personally, but his past performance indicates that he has about a 3 year shelf life at a big school.
 
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WBO said:
247 Sports reports Missouri has fired Martin after 4 years. We all know his story, coming from abject poverty from one of the toughest cities in America. That is no doubt a factor in what could be a prickly personality.

I always was impressed by his ability to see an opportunity to move on before the bloom was off the rose. If you will recall he left us rather flat-footed when he went to Cal-Berkley and he took with him the big top 3 recruit that he had been after for 2 years. So he's at Cal and he's not setting things on fire especially since the recruit had moved on to the NBA. But he is all set to get the #1 recruit when he suddenly heads to Missouri with that recruit following and eventually being all SEC.

Guess this time the lateral move wasn't readily available.
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More racists. They follow him everywhere it seems 😂😂😂
 
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VolsFan-TX said:
An interesting series of articles about Martin at Tennessee. The author

Was Cuonzo Martin Set up to Fail by Vols as Head Coach of Tennessee Basketball?
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That article, like Martin, implies racism was/could have been a reason without a single shred of evidence. Just opinions. In the final analysis, it was more about bringing Pearl back than anything else. Martin’s basketball was/is boring while Pearl brought an excitement not seen at TN in a long time. The racism charge is always easy.
 
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golfballs said:
I’m not that down on him as a coach. I think he could be successful a lot of places and in the right situations.
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He sold his soul for the Porter brothers and if he had them both for the whole year, that team probably finishes way better. Might have bought him an extra year of goodwill
 
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OrangeAllDay said:
And further more Susan (sublime reference), there’s still people today that would take Bruce over Barnes. Barnes, whose maybe had the best 5 year run in school history. I guess that’s just the ageism of this fan base 🙄. At the end of the day if cuonzo was a better coach, he would have made it at UT. Playing the race card is just soft, unaccountable nonsense. Instead of blaming everyone else, he should have invested his time into becoming a better coach. He’s had years to do it at this point, but when you blame everyone else for your failures, that’s what you end up being. A failure.
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I don't dispute that Barnes gives you greater stability than Pearl, but not sure how you are making his 146-80 record with 4 NCAAs and one Sweet 16 better than 145-61, with 6 NCAAs, 3 Sweet 16s and one Elite 8.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I don't think anywhere he's been before Missouri he was in any real immediate danger of getting fired, but I can agree he seemed to jump ship when he thought it wasn't going to get any better. Missouri St. he probably could have stayed as long as he wanted. His S16 run here probably bought him at least 2 more years, and he under performed at Cal based on the talent he brought in but he was still winning 20+ games and it's Cal so he probably would have at least 2 more years there.

Mizzou is the first place I think he actually dug his own grave and stayed long enough to end up in it.
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I don't know... Martin left behind an empty cupboard at Cal. They went 8-24 in 2017-18. He was able to lure the Porters away from Washington, to follow him to Missouri, but we don't know that they would have gone to Cal, if he had stayed. He had to know that 2018 was shaping up to be an awful season and unlike Tennessee, he had not yet built up any credit by winning NCAA Tournament games. I'm not sure if he could have survived that or not.
 
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I watched most of the Missouri-LSU game, and I thought Missouri was going to get obliterated early on. Halfway through the first half, they had only scored 9 points. They finally had a couple of runs and got it respectable, but as I watched, I knew he would be terminated, just no way for them not to. Speaking of firing coaches, has Georgia fired Crean yet? I haven't seen anything about it if they have, but I don't watch sports all day long either.
 
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Eastknox865 said:
I don't have the energy for this today man. I really don't we have Kentucky for a chance to win a championship tomorrow. I respect your opinion but I'm moving on
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Eastknox865 said:
In my opinion it actually was and you have every right to disagree. But some of the things that the administration and or supporters did to him was unheard of.
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I have no idea what “things “you’re talking about, but I won’t pretend that there aren’t always some few (emphasis on “few”) who will be unfairly biased against a coach because of the color of their skin. However, when you get down to it, the vast majority just want to win and don’t care what color someone is. What bothers me is that whether by the media or Cuonzo, Vol fans in general were made to look racist, and Cuonzo‘s lackluster performance was made to not look like a factor at all. That said, we have a responsibility to call out our administration if they are making decisions based on racial prejudice. The problem is, is it fair to assume that they are guilty if we don’t even know what those “things“ are?

That’s all I have to say. I’m contradicting myself, but I agree that we should move on to Kentucky. I just wanted to get that out.
 
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SDV said:
I thought he did a nice job at Missouri State, but for the late run to the Sweet 16 at UT, he was on the hot seat. His teams were boring and he didn't interact and excite the fan base. That is huge at UT, regardless of the sport. Then he goes to Cal thinking that he's going to take over the Pac 10 and is just simply mediocre. Same style of boring basketball. Somehow he lands the Mizzou job, thinking he will take over because of the St. Louis angle, and winds up exactly where we all expected him to. Mediocre, boring basketball. I think he will do well at a smaller school, just like he did at Missouri State. I have nothing against the man personally, but his past performance indicates that he has about a 3 year shelf life at a big school.
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He was the anti-Bruce. I honestly think whoever took tje job was going to have a hard time winning over the fan base, but Cuonzo was probably the worst suited type of coach to have a fighting chance.
 
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DC_Vol said:
He was the anti-Bruce. I honestly think whoever took tje job was going to have a hard time winning over the fan base, but Cuonzo was probably the worst suited type of coach to have a fighting chance.
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This is really what it was more about. He had the unfortunate circumstance of following Bruce Pearl, and he was the opposite in every way. People might have been more patient with him if not for Pearl’s success and personality
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I don't think anywhere he's been before Missouri he was in any real immediate danger of getting fired, but I can agree he seemed to jump ship when he thought it wasn't going to get any better. Missouri St. he probably could have stayed as long as he wanted. His S16 run here probably bought him at least 2 more years, and he under performed at Cal based on the talent he brought in but he was still winning 20+ games and it's Cal so he probably would have at least 2 more years there.

Mizzou is the first place I think he actually dug his own grave and stayed long enough to end up in it.
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I think he left these places when recruiting either appeared to go south or he could leverage a scheme to recruit a top player and hire a family member on the staff for a bigger pay check. He appeared to have a 3 year rule. I think that much is pretty obvious. Clearly he didn't have another landing spot from Missouri with a bigger payday awaiting.
 
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OrangeAllDay said:
And further more Susan (sublime reference), there’s still people today that would take Bruce over Barnes. Barnes, whose maybe had the best 5 year run in school history. I guess that’s just the ageism of this fan base 🙄. At the end of the day if cuonzo was a better coach, he would have made it at UT. Playing the race card is just soft, unaccountable nonsense. Instead of blaming everyone else, he should have invested his time into becoming a better coach. He’s had years to do it at this point, but when you blame everyone else for your failures, that’s what you end up being. A failure.
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So what in the hell do you know about it? Did you hear every single comment that was made to him or to admin about him while he was here? You are a damn fool if you don't think there were racist comments made to him or towards him when things were not going well. And he didn't "play the race card", he was asked point blank if race had anything to do with some of the animosity directed towards him and he said yes. That was his opinion.
 
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TNBV said:
So what in the hell do you know about it? Did you hear every single comment that was made to him or to admin about him while he was here? You are a damn fool if you don't think there were racist comments made to him or towards him when things were not going well. And he didn't "play the race card", he was asked point blank if race had anything to do with some of the animosity directed towards him and he said yes. That was his opinion.
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Bullsh*t
 
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I wonder if Wade Houston or Bernard King think it was BS? Josh Richardson sure didn't.
 
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