Cuonzo's downfall: lack of leadership at point guard

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bleedingTNorange said:
Barton's really worked out
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Hasn't worked out at all. Thought we could get 7 and 4 out of him with some good D. Had no idea the all-time leading 3pt shooter by % at Memphis would come here and be terrified to play or shoot most of the time on the court. He has looked awful and looked like he wanted and/or it was his job to just give the ball up and go the other direction.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Hasn't worked out at all. Thought we could get 7 and 4 out of him with some good D. Had no idea the all-time leading 3pt shooter by % at Memphis would come here and be terrified to play or shoot most of the time on the court. He has looked awful and looked like he wanted and/or it was his job to just give the ball up and go the other direction.
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Only Martin can F up a player like Barton.

If Martin is retained next year, I don't think I'll watch a single game. I pretty much DVR every game now as it is and blow through it if we win and delete it if we lose. His style of play is boring as hell to watch. I can only imagine how it must be for a player.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
Only Martin can F up a player like Barton.
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Barton wasn't that great to begin with, he's a tough and gritty player that can make an open jumper every so often (Skylar Mcbee ish). His defense is vastly overrated, if it wasn't for Joe Jackson being in a major funk he would not have touched the court in Memphis.
 
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Barton's D has been an upgrade from Trae without a doubt. Teams don't set up plays for their players to take Barton 1 on 1 like they did Trae when they needed a shot. Part of the reason for Trae's 2 benchings last year.
He's looked scared and lost on offense and can't get the ball out of his hands quick enough. Makes no sense.
 
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vols 30 said:
You have to admit, Trae would've helped this team more than Barton. May even have a few more wins if he was still here.
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based on what though? cm nor trae has proven to get their teams to win. It's possible of course, but we had 40 pt games and benchings last year. Is Stokes a double/double machine with Trae here? Maybe not. Trae's leading GT to a below .500 record.

We needed more from Barton and DT. They both had games that showed us what they can do. Problem is both of them had more games where they struggled. Both were searching all year trying to figure out what to do.

I can't say enough about the system either. DT took over that 1 game he started. He was aggressive and we had the ball in his hands. It was a pretty game to watch, iirc. Then the rest of the year, he is walking it up every time, calling a play, and handing it off 35 feet away or passing to the wing before running to the corner for that god awful shot. Why the hell would a coach put a kid with the skills of DT in that offense? If you want to get it to the block, fine. Wing, gtfo of the way because I'm coming over there to get a pick and roll or feed the post. Boom. That'll be 2 million dollars please.
 
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volroadwarrior said:
One of the problems Cuonzo will continue to have is the type of players he recruits. Kids who want to shoot and score don't want to play his style of play. He wants the long athletic type who can defend first and if he is lucky get to shoot the ball on occasions. I believe a team needs both, but Cuonzo doesn't seem interested or capable of recruiting a mix of talents that fill a team's needs. The only consistent 3 point shooter on the team is a kid he did not recruit.
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I do agree that Cuonzo recruits these type of players (and Mid-Major talent at that), but Richardson's hitting 41.8 from 3, so I'd disagree with that last statement.
 
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DowntownVol said:
What disturbs me most about this is that every player who suddenly gets some minutes regresses with each passing game. Thompson has gotten progressively worse since being inserted into the starting lineup. Armani finally was unleashed, and after a good game or two, he's taken a big step back. Same with Reese. Same with A.J. Young players should be getting better with game experience, not worse.
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No one after Tenn. first four ever scores more than 5 points....McRae, Richardson, Maymon, and Stokes score
63 points through 45 minutes.. the rest of team scores
2..2 foul shots!!! FGs 0 for 11. Texas A&M bench scores
20...
 
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Spartacavolus said:
His release and footwork is terrible. Of course Bto said he is a great shooter and needs no changes, but he hasn't been right in 3 years.
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His shooting numbers are almost identical to Richardson's freshman year. So I still say he'll be fine. Also, though, I disagree with nearly everything said about Thompson in this thread (except for the shooting, obviously). The offense runs much better with him on the floor; his help defense is excellent; the press actually works fairly well with him out there.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
and DT got worse after given the starting job and being coached as a starter. Kid is long and can run and see the floor but is told to walk it up and run away from it.

There isn't a pg around that wants to play in that offense. At least not one with any sense.
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DT is such a great passer in the open floor. I hate that it's going to waste.
 
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papatomany said:
His shooting numbers are almost identical to Richardson's freshman year. So I still say he'll be fine. Also, though, I disagree with nearly everything said about Thompson in this thread (except for the shooting, obviously). The offense runs much better with him on the floor; his help defense is excellent; the press actually works fairly well with him out there.
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Richardson also went through at least 2 release changes since his freshman year as well, which is all I have said DT needs to do.

He's also nasty at the top of a 1-3-1, would be great as a press breaker in the middle of the court and sees the floor as well as any pg we have had since CJ Watson, but is not allowed to play ball. Walk it up, pass it, then go to the corner.
Screw Martin and his thought process.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
#BBT




(Bring back Trae)
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Why? Hurry up and get here Larry Austin. I'm to the point of wondering what all these cats coming in will do because talk about open playing time...its there for the taking. At the end of this year there is not one position that's closed. Josh will obviously get a ton of minutes and if Hubbs comes back healthy and is hitting, he will get a lot to. After that, it's wide open.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Richardson also went through at least 2 release changes since his freshman year as well, which is all I have said DT needs to do.

He's also nasty at the top of a 1-3-1, would be great as a press breaker in the middle of the court and sees the floor as well as any pg we have had since CJ Watson, but is not allowed to play ball. Walk it up, pass it, then go to the corner.
Screw Martin and his thought process.
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I agree. I think Thompson has a chance to be our best point guard in years. He doesn't fit this offense very well, but then no one does. He is very good in the open court, although I don't think he will ever be a good scorer except in transition.
 
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SlyStone said:
But he can't knock down that jumper consistently which makes any guard (point or shooting) a liability.
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doesn't need to if they play aggressive ball, attack the rim and run some damn pick and rolls. He can get to the rim, hit the roller, or kick it to a spot up shooter.
Ballboy for A & M can't shoot and got more good looks in halfcourt at the rim than Mcrae, jrich or DT has had all year combined, and was able to make some nice passes. I think he had several assists.

Out of 26 games, when have we seen CM give his pg's that opportunity? Especially since DT handles the ball well, passes well and sees over they guys guarding him.
CM may call a play late in the clock to give his pg a pick at the key, but the wing player is standing on the wing so there is nowhere to go.
 
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lostsheep said:
Trae also carried the team at times, where Barton hasn't.
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Trae didn't make his teammates better and is about to finish his 4 yr career leading teams to Nit and Cit tourneys. So what if he carried the team a few games. Teams he leads don't win. That's all we have to go by. Hypotheticals are fine, but the proof is in the play of the team and results for a pg and neither Trae or CM is a winner on the court.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
doesn't need to if they play aggressive ball, attack the rim and run some damn pick and rolls. He can get to the rim, hit the roller, or kick it to a spot up shooter.
Ballboy for A & M can't shoot and got more good looks in halfcourt at the rim than Mcrae, jrich or DT has had all year combined, and was able to make some nice passes. I think he had several assists.

Out of 26 games, when have we seen CM give his pg's that opportunity? Especially since DT handles the ball well, passes well and sees over they guys guarding him.
CM may call a play late in the clock to give his pg a pick at the key, but the wing player is standing on the wing so there is nowhere to go.
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If he wasn't doing it to other teams as well, this would sound like a WR being converted to QB a week b4 playing UT. That didn't turn out well for us either. :)
 
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Lefteye said:
If he wasn't doing it to other teams as well, this would sound like a WR being converted to QB a week b4 playing UT. That didn't turn out well for us either. :)
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point was he is a non shooting, not highly recruited guard that has the ability to get to the rim in their offense, while we have potential NBA players that have no space or system to get a good look or lane to the rim in halfcourt sets or pick and roll situations.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Trae didn't make his teammates better and is about to finish his 4 yr career leading teams to Nit and Cit tourneys. So what if he carried the team a few games. Teams he leads don't win. That's all we have to go by. Hypotheticals are fine, but the proof is in the play of the team and results for a pg and neither Trae or CM is a winner on the court.
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Not saying I want another Trae as our PG...however, I'd take him any day of the week over Barton.
 
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