Cuonzo's philosophy on minute distribution

#26
#26
This does two things

1. If you do not commit to playing excellent defense, you will not see many minutes. That is the end of the story. Our team will look more like Butler than Pitino's UK teams or the Lofton/Smith UT pressers, but they will be playing SOLID defense.

2. It is very attractive to starters. A guy like Tobias should be playing as much as Kemba Walker. He is clearly much better than anyone else at his position. The bench can cry if they want, but the best 5 go most of the way. They have to do the conditioning to be able to do this, but if you are a stud recruit in the future and you can go for 25 minutes a game, or 35, we all know which you would rather.
 
#27
#27
Thrasher865 said:
I count 8 in your rotation...
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I was never good with fractions. Subtract Ware or Jones (willl not be at UT) and round up 6 3/4 to 7. This is so subjective, it's really who plays the best will play the most. I think we will run more of a 4 guard offense at times so you may be able to eliminate Maymon or Swipper.
 
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#29
#29
I believe This is why UT was in consistent this past season. This makes more sense to me.
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#30
#30
tripper said:
Tears of joy.
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You know....Pearl won more games in 6 years than any other coach in UT history playing 9 or 10 players. Every coach has a different philosophy and it changes when you don't have a lot of talent which we haven't. When you are Kentucky and Duke you can get away with that. On the other hand, look at UNC, Roy Williams usually plays a lot of players and he has won 2 national championships this decade.
 
#31
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90VOL said:
You know....Pearl won more games in 6 years than any other coach in UT history playing 9 or 10 players. Every coach has a different philosophy and it changes when you don't have a lot of talent which we haven't. When you are Kentucky and Duke you can get away with that. On the other hand, look at UNC, Roy Williams usually plays a lot of players and he has won 2 national championships this decade.
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I totally respect what Coach Pearl did here and his accomplishments, but I never understood his constant rotation of personnel, his substitution patterns and the combination of players he put on the floor.

There used to be a reason when we pressed like hell to have a deep bench. But the last two years, especially this year, we ran a half court that did not require the same substitution patttern. I from the school of putting your best players on the floor and let them play not substituting for the sake of sticking to a rigid substitution pattern.
 
#32
#32
Hall will Never be on the floor more than 20-25 minutes because he commits a foul every 3-5 minutes. I saw a couple of box scores this year where he played like 9 minutes and had 4 fouls.
 
#33
#33
90VOL said:
You know....Pearl won more games in 6 years than any other coach in UT history playing 9 or 10 players. Every coach has a different philosophy and it changes when you don't have a lot of talent which we haven't. When you are Kentucky and Duke you can get away with that. On the other hand, look at UNC, Roy Williams usually plays a lot of players and he has won 2 national championships this decade.
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You do realize that the reason we didn't have good talent was because of Pearl's recruiting, right.
 
#34
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90VOL said:
You know....Pearl won more games in 6 years than any other coach in UT history playing 9 or 10 players. Every coach has a different philosophy and it changes when you don't have a lot of talent which we haven't. When you are Kentucky and Duke you can get away with that. On the other hand, look at UNC, Roy Williams usually plays a lot of players and he has won 2 national championships this decade.
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Roy Williams has won in spite of playing a bunch of players. He's left some Ws on the court.
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#35
#35
KC_Vol said:
Hall will Never be on the floor more than 20-25 minutes because he commits a foul every 3-5 minutes. I saw a couple of box scores this year where he played like 9 minutes and had 4 fouls.
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Zo will fix him.
 
#36
#36
6 or 7 in the main rotation is good unless someone gets a "back" injury then you are a little shorthanded for a couple of games.
 
#37
#37
volwarrior33 said:
He said he likes to go "6 3/4 deep". 5 guys 30-35 minutes a game, sixth guy 20-25 minutes a game, and a seventh guy able to go 5-10 if necessary.

He said he is willing to go 8 or 9 deep if need be, but doesn't like to and definitely no more than that.
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this means players like steven pearl and skylar mcbee will never see the court. i am a very happy man after reading this :good!:
 
#39
#39
bamacheats said:
If you look at the best teams ever, that's the formula. Basketball is a chemistry sport and its improbable that 10 guys can mesh completely.

NBA is a different game, but look at the teams that were dominant and the number of players that saw significant minutes, ex. Jordan's Bulls, Bird's Celtics, Dumar's Pistons, Magic's Lakers.
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You have no idea what you are talking about!!!

I randomly selected a year to c how many players saw significant minutes on a given team (10 minutes).

NBA 95-96 season:

Celtics - 10
Lakers - 10
Spurs - 9
Lakers - 11
Nets - 12
Heat - 13
Knicks - 10-11
Jazz - 10-11
Suns - 12
Rockets - 11

and randomly selected championship years from the teams you referred to:

Lakers - (99-00) - 11 players ave 11 minutes +

Celtics - (85-86) - 10 players with 9 minutes +

Bulls - (97-98) - 12 players with 10 minutes +

Pistons - (03-04) - 13 players with 10 minutes +.
 
#40
#40
Martin typically ran a 6-8 man rotation at Missouri State, and he didn't like to use redshirts much either. He does have a tendency to put players in his dog house if he doesn't feel they're giving 100% in each and every practice.

It shouldn't be a problem with Tennessee and the more athletic players, but his teams really struggled with ball screens and giving up layups sometimes. His D doesn't force a lot of turnovers, but was very good at cleaning the glass on D. Martin runs at a slower pace typically with the shorter bench, and his teams valued the basketball having one of the best turnover rates in the country.
 
#41
#41
patrick said:
You have no idea what you are talking about!!!

I randomly selected a year to c how many players saw significant minutes on a given team (10 minutes).

NBA 95-96 season:

Celtics - 10
Lakers - 10
Spurs - 9
Lakers - 11
Nets - 12
Heat - 13
Knicks - 10-11
Jazz - 10-11
Suns - 12
Rockets - 11

and randomly selected championship years from the teams you referred to:

Lakers - (99-00) - 11 players ave 11 minutes +

Celtics - (85-86) - 10 players with 9 minutes +

Bulls - (97-98) - 12 players with 10 minutes +

Pistons - (03-04) - 13 players with 10 minutes +.
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Considering you can only have 12 guys on the active roster in the NBA, having 13 guys average more than 10 minutes a game is a hell of an accomplishment. I'm wondering how the rest of the league missing Detroit playing an extra guy. That Larry Brown is slick.
 
#42
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hatvol96 said:
Considering you can only have 12 guys on the active roster in the NBA, having 13 guys average more than 10 minutes a game is a hell of an accomplishment. I'm wondering how the rest of the league missing Detroit playing an extra guy. That Larry Brown is slick.
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Would it not just be guys getting injured/traded and signed/released that would lead to having 13 guys average over 10 minutes through a season?
 
#43
#43
03-04 Pistons:

Eastern Conference Finals:

Game 1: Players playing 10 minutes: 8, with one of them playing 10.
Game 2: Players playing 10 minutes: 9, with one of them playing 10.
Game 3: Players playing 10 minutes: 7.
Game 4: Players playing 10 minutes: 6.
Game 5: Players playing 10 minutes: 7.
Game 6: Players playing 10 minutes: 6.

NBA Finals:

Game 1: Players playing 10 minutes: 8.
Game 2(OT): Players playing 10 minutes: 7.
Game 3: Players playing 10 minutes: 8.
Game 4: Players playing 10 minutes: 7.
Game 5: Players playing 10 minutes: 9, with one playing exactly 10.

Yeah, the Pistons were really shuffling guys in and out in the games that mattered.
 
#44
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hatvol96 said:
03-04 Pistons:

Eastern Conference Finals:

Game 1: Players playing 10 minutes: 8, with one of them playing 10.
Game 2: Players playing 10 minutes: 9, with one of them playing 10.
Game 3: Players playing 10 minutes: 7.
Game 4: Players playing 10 minutes: 6.
Game 5: Players playing 10 minutes: 7.
Game 6: Players playing 10 minutes: 6.

NBA Finals:

Game 1: Players playing 10 minutes: 8.
Game 2(OT): Players playing 10 minutes: 7.
Game 3: Players playing 10 minutes: 8.
Game 4: Players playing 10 minutes: 7.
Game 5: Players playing 10 minutes: 9, with one playing exactly 10.

Yeah, the Pistons were really shuffling guys in and out in the games that mattered.
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So he is using data from an entire season and you are using data from a pair of series? His point was that over the course of a season great teams have numerous players average a high number of minutes, you then responded with a snark comment about rosters only alloting 12 spots when obviously that data took into account all active players thoughout the entire season.

My point is that nobody was arguing the amount of minutes players were getting in the playoffs, where did this come from and what does it pertain to?
 
#45
#45
omghulkhands said:
So he is using data from an entire season and you are using data from a pair of series? His point was that over the course of a season great teams have numerous players average a high number of minutes, you then responded with a snark comment about rosters only alloting 12 spots when obviously that data took into account all active players thoughout the entire season.

My point is that nobody was arguing the amount of minutes players were getting in the playoffs, where did this come from and what does it pertain to?
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His point was that great teams in the NBA do the same type of idiotic rotation of players his hero Bruce Pearl preferred. In games that matter, nobody does. Nobody gives a damn how many minutes somebody plays on January 12th in Sacramento.
 
#46
#46
hatvol96 said:
His point was that great teams in the NBA do the same type of idiotic rotation of players his hero Bruce Pearl preferred. In games that matter, nobody does. Nobody gives a damn how many minutes somebody plays on January 12th in Sacramento.
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so what is the explanation about the whole 12 player spiel you laid on him? This all seems like an elaborate smokescreen to cover up that you made a rude gesture that was incorrect.
 
#47
#47
omghulkhands said:
so what is the explanation about the whole 12 player spiel you laid on him? This all seems like an elaborate smokescreen to cover up that you made a rude gesture that was incorrect.
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No, it was my way of mocking the idiotic idea that somebody was playing 13 guys a night 10 minutes in a league that allows 12 on a roster.
 
#48
#48
BasketvolsFan said:
How could that possibly work? We know nothing but 10-11 deep and shuffle players 3 minutes into the game so no one could actually get into the flow of the game.
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gee what a brilliant observation must be why we went to ncaa 6 years in a row and to the round of 8 it must really pay to not get into the flow of the game break out the black curtains
 
#49
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patrick said:
You have no idea what you are talking about!!!

I randomly selected a year to c how many players saw significant minutes on a given team (10 minutes).

NBA 95-96 season:

Celtics - 10
Lakers - 10
Spurs - 9
Lakers - 11
Nets - 12
Heat - 13
Knicks - 10-11
Jazz - 10-11
Suns - 12
Rockets - 11

and randomly selected championship years from the teams you referred to:

Lakers - (99-00) - 11 players ave 11 minutes +

Celtics - (85-86) - 10 players with 9 minutes +

Bulls - (97-98) - 12 players with 10 minutes +

Pistons - (03-04) - 13 players with 10 minutes +.
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I quoted for reference, I don't see where he states that 13 players averaged 10 minutes in a single game. It looks to me that it is based on a entire season
 
#50
#50
KC_Vol said:
Hall will Never be on the floor more than 20-25 minutes because he commits a foul every 3-5 minutes. I saw a couple of box scores this year where he played like 9 minutes and had 4 fouls.
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Yes one of the big reasons to play 8-10 players is to keep them out foul trouble. The other is to keep your players fresh.
 
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