Currently at the Huntington Prep vs Walnut Hills game

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Warming up right now. Landry noticed my orange, I nodded and he gave me a salute. Pretty cool. I stick out like a sore thumb in this sea of blue...haha.
 
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knowthevols said:
They give a reason he's not starting?
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Rathan-Mayes appears to better at distributing. He's averaging nearly 5 APG, while Landry just over 2.

Plus Rathan-Mayes is a great shooter, while Landry's at 28 pct.
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Rathan-Mayes shoots a lot for a team with this type star power. He has yet to hit one. Wiggins is an unreal athlete. Its not really fair he gets to play against HS kids. His shot is horrible and he hasn't made a FT in 3 tries, but he is an unbelievable one on one player and gets to the rim whenever he wants. He has two minster dunks on putbacks off missed shots. Head has been at rim level both times.

Landry has a couple boards and a missed desperation halfcourt shot to end the first quarter.
 
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Halftime...

Landry with 2 pts 1-1 shooting (excluding the halfcourt heave to end the 1st quarter) and 2 rebs. He hit a pull-up jumper from the foul line. Played last 2 minutes of 1st quarter and all of 2nd quarter. Played some with Rathan-Mayes where RM moved to SG.

Wiggins hit a three-pointer to end the half at the buzzer on a designed play. Shot looked pretty on this one. It's the only one he has made outside the paint however in the 1st half.

Dominic Woodson is a load in the paint. He started along with Moses Kingsley, who hasn't done much of note.
 
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awesome thread Chris. Not sure if my time is messed up on the board but did you just post updates for the first half and nothing in the second? Just want to make sure I didn't miss anything in here
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Sorry for the lack of 2nd half updates. What looked to be a blowout in the early 2nd half, turned into a pretty good game and Huntington Prep wound up winning by 8-10 points.

I had to be at work at 5am, so I apologize for just now getting a postgame update.

I'll start with Landry. He's not flashy. Honestly, had I not been watching him particularly, I wouldn't have noticed anything he did. His unofficial numbers would look something like 2 pts, 3 rebs, 1 stl, on 1-3 shooting. His longest shot was his only made basket; a pull-up jumper from around the foul line. He missed a contested layup, and a short jumper from the baseline. I don't have a real good estimate on assists-to-TO. Too hard to keep up with that data without pen and paper. I know he had one assist to Wiggins on a made 3-pointer. He took care of the ball and is a good ball-handler. I don't remember any TOs that stuck out.

As I said before, he didn't start (not sure if this is a normal thing), but he came in with 2+ minutes to go in the 1st quarter and played the rest of the game without a rest. HP employs the Calipari philosophy towards players' minutes. They only played 7 players, 1 of which played a total of 1-2 minutes.

Andrew Wiggins:
Its just not fair that he plays against HS kids. He has athletic ability that I would put up against the best in the country. He could have gotten to the rim anytime he wanted. He struggled with his shot from outside in the first half until a buzzer-beater 3-pointer to end the half. In the 2nd half, his shot picked up and he hit a couple more 3's, some short floaters, and a buzzer-beating turnaround 16-footer to end the game. He had a couple putback dunks that brought the Kentucky-biased house down in which he was eye-level with the rim. Terrible FT shooter, as I don't remember him hitting one all night. A real shame too, because it was one of the only flaws in his game, and probably the easiest to correct with some practice. My guess is he finished with 20 or so points.

Xavier Rathan-Mayes:
This kid has a very thick build and he overpowered the guards from Walnut Hills with his strength. Regarding his ball-handling, he is very fond of his right hand. He used his body to back the smaller guys into the paint fron the top several times and then used a spin move to get around them and shoot or dish it off. I felt he shot a lot for a team with this type of balance, and he missed most of them in the 1st half. His 2nd half performance was much better. He has pretty form on his shot. He just takes some bad shots. Good passer too.

Dominic Woodson:
This is a big boy! Looks a little out of shape, and his body would remind many of Brian Williams at this point. Looks to be carrying some baby fat and a college conditioning program will shed that. He rotated with, and also played with Moses Kingsley. Good rebounder and a load to move in the paint. Had a couple nice shots in the paint. Didn't dominate by any stretch of the imagination.

Moses Kingsley:
Was rather disappointed with him. He had a nice offensive night in the 2nd half, but he was abused defensively by 6-9 275 lb, Isaiah Johnson, who has signed with Akron w/ offers from Xavier, Kent St, and Ohio. Johnson finished with 17 points on a variety of inside moves and putbacks.

Montaque Gill-Caesar:
Outside of the obvious Wiggins, I was most impressed by this kid. He is only a sophomore, and hails from Toronto (same as Wiggins and Rathan-Mayes). 6-5 200 lb kid who does a little of everything. Will definitely be one to watch over the next couple years.

If you have any specific questions just ask.
 
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Roustabout said:
Landry sounds like a real get.
Cough
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Keep in mind, he is playing on what would be the equivalent to a top 25ish college team in terms of talent. I would expect his numbers to be a bit more eye-popping if he were his team's #1 option.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Keep in mind, he is playing on what would be the equivalent to a top 25ish college team in terms of talent. I would expect his numbers to be a bit more eye-popping if he were his team's #1 option.
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He's an interesting player and I'm intrigued to see what he does here really. If he's on a team next year backing up golden and surrounded by Hubbs, McRae, Richardson, stokes and Maymon what do you we need him to do? Play defense and not turn the ball over, those are the 2 things that he excels at. One of our biggest weaknesses has been ball handling and guard quickness, those small guards have given us issues, Landry seems to be the counter to those.

Do I think he will ever be eye popping or even really be noticed? No probably not. However, if he plays good defense, takes care of th ball, and gets us into our offense...well that's something we've been missing the last couple years.

We've struggled for a couple years to even find a decent backup. We had Washpun and that guy couldn't even dribble, when we pulled golden it was an immediate momentum swing. We brought in Moore and while he has shown some flashes we are now relying on a walk on to be our backup PG, and it appears Moore's future may be at wing. At the worst id expect Landry is capable of being a backup who can atleast bring the ball up the court and can stay infront of his man on defense, and that's something we need. Even if we bring in a stud 2014 PG we still need that backup next year and then going forward, I'm hoping Landry is that guy.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
He's an interesting player and I'm intrigued to see what he does here really. If he's on a team next year backing up golden and surrounded by Hubbs, McRae, Richardson, stokes and Maymon what do you we need him to do? Play defense and not turn the ball over, those are the 2 things that he excels at. One of our biggest weaknesses has been ball handling and guard quickness, those small guards have given us issues, Landry seems to be the counter to those.

Do I think he will ever be eye popping or even really be noticed? No probably not. However, if he plays good defense, takes care of th ball, and gets us into our offense...well that's something we've been missing the last couple years.

We've struggled for a couple years to even find a decent backup. We had Washpun and that guy couldn't even dribble, when we pulled golden it was an immediate momentum swing. We brought in Moore and while he has shown some flashes we are now relying on a walk on to be our backup PG, and it appears Moore's future may be at wing. At the worst id expect Landry is capable of being a backup who can atleast bring the ball up the court and can stay infront of his man on defense, and that's something we need. Even if we bring in a stud 2014 PG we still need that backup next year and then going forward, I'm hoping Landry is that guy.
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Many more games like Tuesday night and Martin may be rethinking what he wants in a point.
He won't get that type of game out of Landry.
Be more like one of the first 7.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
He's an interesting player and I'm intrigued to see what he does here really. If he's on a team next year backing up golden and surrounded by Hubbs, McRae, Richardson, stokes and Maymon what do you we need him to do? Play defense and not turn the ball over, those are the 2 things that he excels at. One of our biggest weaknesses has been ball handling and guard quickness, those small guards have given us issues, Landry seems to be the counter to those.

Do I think he will ever be eye popping or even really be noticed? No probably not. However, if he plays good defense, takes care of th ball, and gets us into our offense...well that's something we've been missing the last couple years.

We've struggled for a couple years to even find a decent backup. We had Washpun and that guy couldn't even dribble, when we pulled golden it was an immediate momentum swing. We brought in Moore and while he has shown some flashes we are now relying on a walk on to be our backup PG, and it appears Moore's future may be at wing. At the worst id expect Landry is capable of being a backup who can atleast bring the ball up the court and can stay infront of his man on defense, and that's something we need. Even if we bring in a stud 2014 PG we still need that backup next year and then going forward, I'm hoping Landry is that guy.
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I agree. I can tell by seeing one game, he'll never be a game-changing type PG. His contribution should be defense and valuing possessions. His defense last night was pretty good.
 
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calban said:
Many more games like Tuesday night and Martin may be rethinking what he wants in a point.
He won't get that type of game out of Landry.
Be more like one of the first 7.
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Golden will have to assume the scorers role for the rest of the season IMO for this team to advance this season. No one else seems to want to take on that role. Stokes can't stay in the game long enough to make a difference offensively.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Golden will have to assume the scorers role for the rest of the season IMO for this team to advance this season. No one else seems to want to take on that role. Stokes can't stay in the game long enough to make a difference offensively.
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Stokes will come around going down the stretch.
He was blown up the entire off season, everyone saying how dominant he was going to be.
Seeing nothing but double and triple teams, his confidence is gone.
Continued improved guard play will help free him up.
 
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calban said:
Many more games like Tuesday night and Martin may be rethinking what he wants in a point.
He won't get that type of game out of Landry.
Be more like one of the first 7.
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I don't think he sees Landry as a starter, so I don't think he's overly concerned about Landry's scoring ability, or lack there of. He needs a guy to play 10 minutes a game at the point so Golden can get a break, we tried Washpun that's didn't work, and it now looks like the Moore experiment also won't be working. He has gone the route of a guy who can handle the ball and play defense this time in hopes of finding a guy who can handle the backup PG role IMO.

Judging by the guys he's heavily recruiting in 2014 for PGs he's very much interested in the bigger, scoring type of PGs...Jaquan Lyle seems to be the guy he really wants, but not too sure about our chances there.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I don't think he sees Landry as a starter, so I don't think he's overly concerned about Landry's scoring ability, or lack there of. He needs a guy to play 10 minutes a game at the point so Golden can get a break, we tried Washpun that's didn't work, and it now looks like the Moore experiment also won't be working. He has gone the route of a guy who can handle the ball and play defense this time in hopes of finding a guy who can handle the backup PG role IMO.

Judging by the guys he's heavily recruiting in 2014 for PGs he's very much interested in the bigger, scoring type of PGs...Jaquan Lyle seems to be the guy he really wants, but not too sure about our chances there.
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Haven't seen him yet this season but if we're leaning to 2s playing the point I'd opt for Terrell.
Savage to the glass and a beast on defense.
 
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calban said:
Stokes will come around going down the stretch.
He was blown up the entire off season, everyone saying how dominant he was going to be.
Seeing nothing but double and triple teams, his confidence is gone.
Continued improved guard play will help free him up.
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Well as I said, he can't stay on the court long enough because he can't play defense without fouling. Offensively, he can't score if he doesn't have the ball, and we can't get it to him. Its not a matter of skill with him, I don't think.
 
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I guess the oddest thing about Landry to me is, why take s commitment from a career backup type prospect at the beginning of his junior year? That's the kind of thing you do with a top kid, not the kind of player you can pick up later in the process. Hope it works out.


bleedingTNorange said:
He's an interesting player and I'm intrigued to see what he does here really. If he's on a team next year backing up golden and surrounded by Hubbs, McRae, Richardson, stokes and Maymon what do you we need him to do? Play defense and not turn the ball over, those are the 2 things that he excels at. One of our biggest weaknesses has been ball handling and guard quickness, those small guards have given us issues, Landry seems to be the counter to those.

Do I think he will ever be eye popping or even really be noticed? No probably not. However, if he plays good defense, takes care of th ball, and gets us into our offense...well that's something we've been missing the last couple years.

We've struggled for a couple years to even find a decent backup. We had Washpun and that guy couldn't even dribble, when we pulled golden it was an immediate momentum swing. We brought in Moore and while he has shown some flashes we are now relying on a walk on to be our backup PG, and it appears Moore's future may be at wing. At the worst id expect Landry is capable of being a backup who can atleast bring the ball up the court and can stay infront of his man on defense, and that's something we need. Even if we bring in a stud 2014 PG we still need that backup next year and then going forward, I'm hoping Landry is that guy.
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germanicus said:
I guess the oddest thing about Landry to me is, why take s commitment from a career backup type prospect at the beginning of his junior year? That's the kind of thing you do with a top kid, not the kind of player you can pick up later in the process. Hope it works out.
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I really think Martin is going to be rethinking his recruiting and game philosophy.
His kids responded well to the quicker tempo game and the slow plodding grind it out type of game was one of the reasons we lost Nichols.
 
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calban said:
I really think Martin is going to be rethinking his recruiting and game philosophy.
His kids responded well to the quicker tempo game and the slow plodding grind it out type of game was one of the reasons we lost Nichols.
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ditto
 
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