Currently at the Huntington Prep vs Walnut Hills game

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bleedingTNorange said:
Judging by the guys he's heavily recruiting in 2014 for PGs he's very much interested in the bigger, scoring type of PGs...Jaquan Lyle seems to be the guy he really wants, but not too sure about our chances there.
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I think we have a good chance with him. Living in this area I hear about U of L UK and IU quite a lot so I know the recruits they are after. U of L has nothing but guards coming in for the next two years (4 or 5 iirc). Then UK is well UK so they will probably be in it until the end but he won't strongly hear from them until late next year. IU is the leader IMO. Hulls is on the way out so will some of the other starters and he has a good relationship with some of the commits there. I like our chances if CCM can do all the things he was doing for Hubbs it could help a lot.
 
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calban said:
I really think Martin is going to be rethinking his recruiting and game philosophy.
His kids responded well to the quicker tempo game and the slow plodding grind it out type of game was one of the reasons we lost Nichols.
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I agree. The offensive style has been one of my biggest complaints about CCM because it allows teams to setup their defense against us, particularly when they are in a zone, which conventional wisdom suggests most teams should attempt against Tennessee.

An interesting observation from the Huntington Prep game; they ran almost exclusively, if not entirely, a 2-3 zone defense.
 
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germanicus said:
I guess the oddest thing about Landry to me is, why take s commitment from a career backup type prospect at the beginning of his junior year? That's the kind of thing you do with a top kid, not the kind of player you can pick up later in the process. Hope it works out.
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I assume Martin probably thought he'd progress better than he has...id say he also felt a little pressured as other SEC schools were starting to offer and show interest.
 
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calban said:
I really think Martin is going to be rethinking his recruiting and game philosophy.
His kids responded well to the quicker tempo game and the slow plodding grind it out type of game was one of the reasons we lost Nichols.
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It's definitely going to be something interesting to keep an eye on IMO.
 
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This team reminds me of Pearls last team. Stand out at the perimeter and pass the ball around and when the shot clock gets under 5 sec. Then just throw something up.No set plays.
Tn has no pure shooters and not 1 player can be a game changer. The formula is simple playing Tn. Double Stokes and get him into foul trouble and you got them.
 
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tnvols72 said:
This team reminds me of Pearls last team. Stand out at the perimeter and pass the ball around and when the shot clock gets under 5 sec. Then just throw something up.No set plays.
Tn has no pure shooters and not 1 player can be a game changer. The formula is simple playing Tn. Double Stokes and get him into foul trouble and you got them.
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That happened the other night against a top 25 team and tennessee won by 9, so....
 
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tnvols72 said:
This team reminds me of Pearls last team. Stand out at the perimeter and pass the ball around and when the shot clock gets under 5 sec. Then just throw something up.No set plays.
Tn has no pure shooters and not 1 player can be a game changer. The formula is simple playing Tn. Double Stokes and get him into foul trouble and you got them.
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LMAO did you watch the game the other night?

The #23 team in the country did what you said, get stokes in foul trouble(he fouled out), and we won. And I really don't recall any plays that we stood around and jacked a shot with <5 seconds left.

So what gives?
 
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ranradVOL said:
That happened the other night against a top 25 team and tennessee won by 9, so....
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Hey it's jmo and that top 25 team was not very good. You think they were ? I know you are going to say yes because Tn won but that was not a top 25 team.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
LMAO did you watch the game the other night?

The #23 team in the country did what you said, get stokes in foul trouble(he fouled out), and we won. And I really don't recall any plays that we stood around and jacked a shot with <5 seconds left.

So what gives?
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Come on man , I know you consider yourself a guru but this Tn team is far from being good and a lot of it has to do with Maymon being out . This team can not shoot and turns the ball over way too much. I love Tn basketball just as much as anyone else but this team right now is not very good.
 
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tnvols72 said:
Hey it's jmo and that top 25 team was not very good. You think they were ? I know you are going to say yes because Tn won but that was not a top 25 team.
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Ahh so an undefeated team who beat VCU isn't good, gotcha.

Gotta love the rationale.
 
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tnvols72 said:
Come on man , I know you consider yourself a guru but this Tn team is far from being good and a lot of it has to do with Maymon being out . This team can not shoot and turns the ball over way too much. I love Tn basketball just as much as anyone else but this team right now is not very good.
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You failed to answer my question.

You said get stokes in foul trouble and you got us...the #23 team in the country got stokes fouled out, and we won. So what happened?

As far as us not being very good, that's your opinion, however wrong it may be you're entitled to it. The opinion of "experts" is that this is a tournament team who just beat a top 25 team in the country pretty convincingly.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You failed to answer my question.

You said get stokes in foul trouble and you got us...the #23 team in the country got stokes fouled out, and we won. So what happened?

As far as us not being very good, that's your opinion, however wrong it may be you're entitled to it. The opinion of "experts" is that this is a tournament team who just beat a top 25 team in the country pretty convincingly.
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Look dude I hope I am completely wrong but Tn isn't that good and if you want to consider Wichita St a really good top 25 team then so be it. That's your opinion. We have already seen what happened in the 3 loses and tell me what Stokes did in those 3 loses.let me help you 7,4,5 points.
If I'm not mistaken those experts picks were preseason picks ?
Now you say Tn beat Wichita pretty convincingly ? Really
So my opinion is wrong because I think Tn is a bad team right now ? The same team that lost 3 straight games and couldn't score no more than 46 points
 
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tnvols72 said:
Look dude I hope I am completely wrong but Tn isn't that good and if you want to consider Wichita St a really good top 25 team then so be it. That's your opinion. We have already seen what happened in the 3 loses and tell me what Stokes did in those 3 loses.let me help you 7,4,5 points.
If I'm not mistaken those experts picks were preseason picks ?
Now you say Tn beat Wichita pretty convincingly ? Really
So my opinion is wrong because I think Tn is a bad team right now ? The same team that lost 3 straight games and couldn't score no more than 46 points
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I'd say we're a terrible road team right now.
It remains to be seen what kind of home team we are and what adjustments will continue to be made.
The next 5 will tell a lot.
 
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tnvols72 said:
Look dude I hope I am completely wrong but Tn isn't that good and if you want to consider Wichita St a really good top 25 team then so be it. That's your opinion. We have already seen what happened in the 3 loses and tell me what Stokes did in those 3 loses.let me help you 7,4,5 points.
If I'm not mistaken those experts picks were preseason picks ?
Now you say Tn beat Wichita pretty convincingly ? Really
So my opinion is wrong because I think Tn is a bad team right now ? The same team that lost 3 straight games and couldn't score no more than 46 points
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Tennessee didn't lose three straight. You're right though, we aren't very good right now, attributable to being without our best player. Are we awful? No, as evidenced by a win over an undefeated top-25 team which obviously wasn't impressive in your opinion. Unimpressive, despite missing our best player and arguably our 2nd best player logging 18 minutes and fouling out.

I don't think we are as bad as you think, nor as good as some others think. We are just a different team without Maymon.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Keep in mind, he is playing on what would be the equivalent to a top 25ish college team in terms of talent. I would expect his numbers to be a bit more eye-popping if he were his team's #1 option.
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Agree his scoring is understandable considering the other options, but the latest numbers show 21% FG shooting, 53% FTs and 0% on 3s (0-9). Those numbers mean his team is playing 4 on 5 while on offense. Why even guard a guy like that. A player with those shooting stats would have to be one of the best defensive players in the country to get on the court with that kind of offense.

Travon Landry (Huntington Prep High School) Basketball Stats - MaxPreps
 
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germanicus said:
Agree his scoring is understandable considering the other options, but the latest numbers show 21% FG shooting, 53% FTs and 0% on 3s (0-9). Those numbers mean his team is playing 4 on 5 while on offense. Why even guard a guy like that. A player with those shooting stats would have to be one of the best defensive players in the country to get on the court with that kind of offense.

Travon Landry (Huntington Prep High School) Basketball Stats - MaxPreps
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No, I get your point, and I'm not excusing his seemingly poor play. Just saying his team doesn't need him to be an offensive force.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Tennessee didn't lose three straight. You're right though, we aren't very good right now, attributable to being without our best player. Are we awful? No, as evidenced by a win over an undefeated top-25 team which obviously wasn't impressive in your opinion. Unimpressive, despite missing our best player and arguably our 2nd best player logging 18 minutes and fouling out.

I don't think we are as bad as you think, nor as good as some others think. We are just a different team without Maymon.
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I dont think we are that bad of a team.I know we are missing Maymon bad and he is a different maker.I never said we lost 3 straight,I said in the 3 loses.But Tn didnt beat Wichitia St convincingly as BTO tried to put it.Tn can be good but right now they are not.
 
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tnvols72 said:
I dont think we are that bad of a team.I know we are missing Maymon bad and he is a different maker.I never said we lost 3 straight,I said in the 3 loses.But Tn didnt beat Wichitia St convincingly as BTO tried to put it.Tn can be good but right now they are not.
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You did say 3 straight. You should go back and read your post before arguing about it.
 
#46
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tnvols72 said:
Look dude I hope I am completely wrong but Tn isn't that good and if you want to consider Wichita St a really good top 25 team then so be it. That's your opinion. We have already seen what happened in the 3 loses and tell me what Stokes did in those 3 loses.let me help you 7,4,5 points.
If I'm not mistaken those experts picks were preseason picks ?
Now you say Tn beat Wichita pretty convincingly ? Really
So my opinion is wrong because I think Tn is a bad team right now ? The same team that lost 3 straight games and couldn't score no more than 46 points
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You still haven't answered my question, stokes had 6 last night and fouled out, so how'd we beat a top 25 team?

And no those picks weren't only preseason, those picks are current.
 
#49
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cncchris33 said:
Tennessee didn't lose three straight. You're right though, we aren't very good right now, attributable to being without our best player. Are we awful? No, as evidenced by a win over an undefeated top-25 team which obviously wasn't impressive in your opinion. Unimpressive, despite missing our best player and arguably our 2nd best player logging 18 minutes and fouling out.

I don't think we are as bad as you think, nor as good as some others think. We are just a different team without Maymon.
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What would you say we are right now?

I say a 19-20 win team that gets into the tourney as a 9-12 seed.

Is that honestly unrealistic?

I'm not suggesting we're a final four team or anything, but people using the words "bad" team or this team "sucks" i just don't get. I see them as a NCAA team, and IMO if you make the tourney you aren't a "bad" or "sucky" team.
 
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