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So - they lose two AS quality position players in return for a QO comp pick first rounder, a marginal farm guy and saving a few coins.

So that means Greene and Lodolo will have to be on staff along with other potential wannabes. I wonder who wants Gray and Castillo for a ham sammich in return as well?

Stephenson and India are studs. However, whoever backs up Stephenson will be untested. Need Farmer for SS unless Krall finds a blue light special somewhere because Barrero is not ready. Moose and Suarez are 3B with a hope for DH. If the DH is approved, Moose can rest JV. So that brings it to the OF. We pray for Senzel and Wink to stay healthy? Hasn't worked - ever. Not one season has either one not been injured part of it. Naquin is in the rotation. So they have a bunch of wannabes to fill in the rest of the spots to go with the pen already needing some serious rebuilding. What could possible go wrong? Oh yeah, injuries and incompetence along with Bell's managerial doofusness.

Holy cow, what a cluster.
 
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Vols4us said:
So - they lose two AS quality position players in return for a QO comp pick first rounder, a marginal farm guy and saving a few coins.

So that means Greene and Lodolo will have to be on staff along with other potential wannabes. I wonder who wants Gray and Castillo for a ham sammich in return as well?

Stephenson and India are studs. However, whoever backs up Stephenson will be untested. Need Farmer for SS unless Krall finds a blue light special somewhere because Barrero is not ready. Moose and Suarez are 3B with a hope for DH. If the DH is approved, Moose can rest JV. So that brings it to the OF. We pray for Senzel and Wink to stay healthy? Hasn't worked - ever. Not one season has either one not been injured part of it. Naquin is in the rotation. So they have a bunch of wannabes to fill in the rest of the spots to go with the pen already needing some serious rebuilding. What could possible go wrong? Oh yeah, injuries and incompetence along with Bell's managerial doofusness.

Holy cow, what a cluster.
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Its just depressing. If Bob Castellini isn't committed to putting a winning team out on the field just sell the damn thing to someone who is. Since he took over we've only had 2 division titles and 2 wild card appearances and not a single time advancing in the playoffs. Honestly if I were Joey I would demand a trade and that hurts me to say it because I want him to be one of those guys that spends an entire career with the same team. We wasted his entire career and that sucks.

I won't be surprised if we don't let Castillo and Mahle go either because they are in line for big paydays at arb I believe.
 
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Burhead said:
Its just depressing. If Bob Castellini isn't committed to putting a winning team out on the field just sell the damn thing to someone who is. Since he took over we've only had 2 division titles and 2 wild card appearances and not a single time advancing in the playoffs. Honestly if I were Joey I would demand a trade and that hurts me to say it because I want him to be one of those guys that spends an entire career with the same team. We wasted his entire career and that sucks.

I won't be surprised if we don't let Castillo and Mahle go either because they are in line for big paydays at arb I believe.
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The sad part is as fans, we are not asking them to compete with the major market clubs. Put a $130 - 140 million payroll out there and they will make the playoffs and make it all back plus more. I do not understand why they don't get it. Instead they blow up a $120 million payroll team that was starting to win at a playoff level with one of the worst pens in MLB. Dumb beyond words.

Bob has never really understood butts in seats equals more revenue. Facility and organization expenses are more fixed with minor flexibility to reduce. The only way to overcome that is by winning and adding butts in seats because media revenues are contracted at fixed amounts.

It's a shame for JV as you state. It's more of a shame for the fans who have suffered with this franchise for the past 30+ years without a WS.
 
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Don't read MLBTR if you are in a bad mood. They think Krall is doing a total tear down to rebuild. Apparently everybody but JV, India, and Stephenson are out there for the taking. As a result expect trades for prospects, MLB ready or not. They would rather do trades that dump salary in the process than just salary dumps.

If you pay extra for the MLB TV package, you might want to save your money next season. Who knows, it may work and in a few years and something good happens. You also do stuff like this if you are positioning to sell out - you rake all the cash you can before the sale. At this point it's best to not get too serious about the club.
 
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If we were doing a complete rebuild fine but I don't trust Krall to know what he is doing as far as I could throw him.
 
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Pirates fan here (don't shoot).

I can't believe that any other team would want to copy the Nutting model for how to wreck a franchise.

Reds have a proud history. I remember back to the days of Frank Robinson, Vada Pinson, Leo Cardenas, Deron Johnson, Pete Rose, John Edwards, Jim Maloney, Jim O'Toole, and Billy McCool. And Joe Nuxhall. I even got to see a game in Crosley Field when I was young.

I guess that an owner does not need to even try to win to make loads of money.
 
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Freiwillige said:
Pirates fan here (don't shoot).

I can't believe that any other team would want to copy the Nutting model for how to wreck a franchise.

Reds have a proud history. I remember back to the days of Frank Robinson, Vada Pinson, Leo Cardenas, Deron Johnson, Pete Rose, John Edwards, Jim Maloney, Jim O'Toole, and Billy McCool. And Joe Nuxhall. I even got to see a game in Crosley Field when I was young.

I guess that an owner does not need to even try to win to make loads of money.
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Grew up going to Crosley with my dad. Understand all too well.

In my lifetime the org has never really understood its place in baseball history and capitalized on it like St. Louis did. That's on ownership. Always has been. Reds fans are like Vol fans - they know what they see. They are not stupid, they know the game and the tradition. They will fully support the team if the org commits to winning. Bob C and his buds are not fooling anybody.
 
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Vols4us said:
He ain't wrong.

Look at how many of us still come to this thread. Very few of us left.

If he wants to know why it's been so bad, it's ownership that operates like they do in the story below.

GM Krall: Reds need to add depth this winter
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As much as he bashes the vols, I do agree with him here.👍 I’m talking about Kirk for your team. Y’all do need depth.
 
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Orange defense said:
As much as he bashes the vols, I do agree with him here.👍 I’m talking about Kirk for your team. Y’all do need depth.
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We need depth. But now that two quality AS level position players and a proven #3 SP are gone, we need a lot more than just depth.

Winker and Senzel have yet to play a full season. Suarez and Moose bombed out last season with Suarez having the worst BA of qualified hitters. We can get nothing in trade for any of those 4 starting type position players while losing the other two starting high quality position players. Add in the pen sucking.
 
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Vols4us said:
We need depth. But now that two quality AS level position players and a proven #3 SP are gone, we need more than just depth.
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I can’t believe it is being dismantled some, but yea, I really do agree with you now. Y’all do need more depth, and now some more extra depth.
 
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Orange defense said:
I can’t believe it is being dismantled some, but yea, I really do agree with you now. Y’all do need more depth, and now some more extra depth.
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With the pathetic performances of Suarez and Moose, they have a platoon for 3B while paying out over $25 M annually for .200 hitters. They have a utility IF/C starting at SS on the same side of the IF in Farmer. Solid with India and JV on the right side. Good with Stephenson at C, but with no proven back-up. Constantly injured Winker and Senzel in the OF with average Naquin, who also finished the season injured. AA with his big, bad .190 BA as the first sub into the OF. They choose to let Miley walk as the #3 SP and the pen is in total disarray. They are listening to offers for everybody but India, Stephenson and JV, which means Castillo and Gray who are still on team friendly deals can be dealt.

Everything would have to go absolutely perfect for this team to be at .500 next season with the plan they have in place.

That's a mess and it means a race to the bottom that they will win since the Pirates have already been through it and are building back.

I do not blame Nick-C for opting out at all. He knew what was going to happen.
 
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Vols4us said:
With the pathetic performances of Suarez and Moose, they have a platoon for 3B while paying out over $25 M annually for .200 hitters. They have a utility IF/C starting at SS on the same side of the IF in Farmer. Solid with India and JV on the right side. Good with Stephenson at C, but with no proven back-up. Constantly injured Winker and Senzel in the OF with average Naquin, who also finished the season injured. AA with his big, bad .190 BA as the first sub into the OF. They choose to let Miley walk as the #3 SP and the pen is in total disarray. They are listening to offers for everybody but India, Stephenson and JV, which means Castillo and Gray who are still on team friendly deals can be dealt.

Everything would have to go absolutely perfect for this team to be at .500 next season with the plan they have in place.

That's a mess and it means a race to the bottom that they will win since the Pirates have already been through it and are building back.

I do not blame Nick-C for opting out at all. He knew what was going to happen.
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I think you have some good pieces coming back, and they need to keep what they have. I think your catcher is pretty good, and I’ve watched him grow some more. I thought they would keep Miley. I understand your frustration about Nick opting out. Your front office is about as blank as our front office. Yea, the cards have some good pieces around, but watch them screw it up. I’m just felt like Nick needed to stay, but I guess you’ll have to be happy for him now wherever he goes. I talked to you before about your bullpen, and it’s still in shambles. They have got to find some guys to cover that bullpen. Now, they have to go out to find some a veteran batter or two, and then find a sp or two. If you can cover, then I do think you might be alright. Man, just don’t give up yet. Keep an eye on your front office to see what they’re going to do.
 
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Vols4us said:
With the pathetic performances of Suarez and Moose, they have a platoon for 3B while paying out over $25 M annually for .200 hitters. They have a utility IF/C starting at SS on the same side of the IF in Farmer. Solid with India and JV on the right side. Good with Stephenson at C, but with no proven back-up. Constantly injured Winker and Senzel in the OF with average Naquin, who also finished the season injured. AA with his big, bad .190 BA as the first sub into the OF. They choose to let Miley walk as the #3 SP and the pen is in total disarray. They are listening to offers for everybody but India, Stephenson and JV, which means Castillo and Gray who are still on team friendly deals can be dealt.

Everything would have to go absolutely perfect for this team to be at .500 next season with the plan they have in place.

That's a mess and it means a race to the bottom that they will win since the Pirates have already been through it and are building back.

I do not blame Nick-C for opting out at all. He knew what was going to happen.
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I won't surprised to see them try and package Moose in with a potential Castillo or Gray deal honestly.
 
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Burhead said:
I won't surprised to see them try and package Moose in with a potential Castillo or Gray deal honestly.
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Cincinnati Reds Rumors - MLB Trade Rumors

You could be very much spot on since they are shopping both.

The article that follows the Castillo/Gray rumors has Nick C still considering a return for the right money. If Castillo and Gray go, he will drop them faster than a hot potato. If they stay and the FO meets the contract demand, he might.
 
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Which is the real Castillo? The first half of the season Castillo or the second half of the season Castillo?

Gray usually seems to wear out late in the season.

Suarez was starting to hit at the end of the season. Too little, too late I know but maybe there is hope for him.
 
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Freiwillige said:
Which is the real Castillo? The first half of the season Castillo or the second half of the season Castillo?

Gray usually seems to wear out late in the season.

Suarez was starting to hit at the end of the season. Too little, too late I know but maybe there is hope for him.
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They have two years left with each. Now would be the time for the blockbuster to build the foundation of a rebuild. If they hold onto them for another season they start losing their leverage in trades and risk one or both not doing well. Gray's value is more limited.
 
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India was named NL RoY he is going to be fun to watch until it comes time to pay him his big contract and we trade him away for a bag of stale popcorn.
 
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