Dan Mullen is at it again - Transfer Portal

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BowlBrother85 said:
Good lord... if they are contacting players on scholarship with other schools and trying to lure them away, before they have entered the transfer portal... then that is not only against NCAA rules, it is also very clearly an unfair advantage for them over other schools who may have an interest in said player.

Some people would argue anything. You are being ridiculous.
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All of the kids mentioned are in the transfer portal. They are not cheating by being in touch with them.

And once again, contacting someone isn't cheating. The kid still has to decide where they want to transfer to. You are acting like Florida is poaching players where the players have no choice to but transfer to Florida. My goodness, people will complain about anything. Please show me where you were beating this drum with Tennessee going after Mizzou players.
 
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Jaws said:
Or contacting Missouri players after their probation was announced.

Tennessee fans should probably rethink this attack angle on Mullen.
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They had probation with a bowl ban sanction, which made it legal. That is also how Lane Kiffin and USC lured RB Silas Redd away from Penn State after they went on probation over Sandusky in 2012. It was legal.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
All of the kids mentioned are in the transfer portal. They are not cheating by being in touch with them.

And once again, contacting someone isn't cheating. The kid still has to decide where they want to transfer to. You are acting like Florida is poaching players where the players have no choice to but transfer to Florida. My goodness, people will complain about anything. Please show me where you were beating this drum with Tennessee going after Mizzou players.
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Can you read my posts? I'm obviously talking about contacting these players BEFORE they have entered the transfer portal or given any indication publicly of their intent to transfer. And contacting someone is cheating, if you are with another school and encouraging a player to transfer. It's tampering.

And for crying out loud, and the third damn time in this thread, Missouri was on probation with multiple bowl bans! That was legal! Christ!
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Can you read my posts? I'm obviously talking about contacting these players BEFORE they have entered the transfer portal or given any indication publicly of their intent to transfer. And contacting someone is cheating, if you are with another school and encouraging a player to transfer.
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Yet you still haven't explained how its cheating or gives a school an unfair advantage over others. And it is safe to assume you don't know first hand about who contacted who in these two players' cases.

Its not hard for a player who is thinking of transferring to reach out to a coach via twitter DM's. But do you know who contacted who first? Can you prove it?

Unless you can answer yes to those questions, you're blowing hot air.

Lastly, if a player is thinking or rumored to be transferring, you can bet your ass every good program in the America is gonna go after him backchannels and all. Every school does this.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Yet you still haven't explained how its cheating or gives a school an unfair advantage over others. And it is safe to assume you don't know first hand about who contacted who in these two players' cases.

Its not hard for a player who is thinking of transferring to reach out to a coach via twitter DM's. But do you know who contacted who first? Can you prove it?

Unless you can answer yes to those questions, you're blowing hot air.

Lastly, if a player is thinking or rumored to be transferring, you can bet your ass every good program in the America is gonna go after him backchannels and all. Every school does this.
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If other schools are following the rule and waiting for players to enter the transfer portal before recruiting them... then the schools who aren't waiting, have an advantage over them. It's really simple.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It is within NCAA rules to contact the players of teams placed on probation, with multiple bowl bans. So that example is inapplicable. Pruitt was well within the rules. Derek Dooley did the same thing to lure a great DE named Malik Jackson away from USC after they went of probation. It was awesome. Jackson was probably the best player we had in Dooley's years and it was a nice middle finger to Kiffin and Orgeron for what they had done on their way out... and it was completely legal, by the way.
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You’re perfectly willing to advance accusations that Mullen is doing something wrong based on “internet rumors” yet you thread the needle on obscure NCAA bylaws when Pruitt is correctly (not rumors) accused of being overly-aggressive and violating the spirit of the rules in the recruitment of Missouri players who had not entered the NCAA portal.

You’re good with what Pruitt is doing, I’m good with what Mullen is doing. By the way, Mullen appears to be much better at it. He’s got a Greenard, Richardson and hand full of 5-stars to show for it, while you’re reminiscing about some dude from the Dooley days.
 
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Jaws said:
You’re perfectly willing to advance accusations that Mullen is doing something wrong based on “internet rumors” yet you thread the needle on obscure NCAA bylaws when Pruitt is correctly (not rumors) accused of being overly-aggressive and violating the spirit of the rules in the recruitment of Missouri players who had not entered the NCAA portal.

You’re good with what Pruitt is doing, I’m good with what Mullen is doing. By the way, Mullen appears to be much better at it. He’s got a Greenard, Richardson and hand full of 5-stars to show for it, while you’re reminiscing about some dude from the Dooley days.
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Pruitt didn't violate any rules. It is legal to recruit seniors-to-be players from teams placed on probation with a bowl ban... it is how Tennessee landed DE Malik Jackson from USC. It is how USC landed RB Silas Redd from Penn State. The example you are continuing to cite, is simply not applicable to this. Pruitt didn't need to wait for any of Missouri's players to enter the transfer portal. As long as they were seniors-to-be and Missouri was on probation and under a bowl ban? They were fair game.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
If other schools are following the rule and waiting for players to enter the transfer portal before recruiting them... then the schools who aren't waiting, have an advantage over them. It's really simple.
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Give me a break. The only schools that are waiting for transfer portal are schools that wouldn't have a chance in the first place. All schools that are realistically a fit are all having comms with kids and families. These players don't magically lose relationships with guys from tons of schools that recruited them.

Look at Solomon and Pruitt,
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Give me a break. The only schools that are waiting for transfer portal are schools that wouldn't have a chance in the first place. All schools that are realistically a fit are all having comms with kids and families. These players don't magically lose relationships with guys from tons of schools that recruited them.

Look at Solomon and Pruitt,
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That is absurd... and it is ridiculous for you to suggest that everyone is recruiting players off of other school's rosters willy nilly. It's illegal and it isn't done.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That is absurd... and it is ridiculous for you to suggest that everyone is recruiting players off of other school's rosters willy nilly. It's illegal and it isn't done.
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Once again, can you prove these internet rumors you are throwing out as gospel.

And fun fact, if a high ranked recruit or player who has developed big time in their career is thinking of a transfer, all coaches or staffs of other big time programs are aware of that. And it isn't cheating if these kids are reaching out to the staffs first. Any coach would be dumb and a liar to say they wouldn't take that call.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That is absurd... and it is ridiculous for you to suggest that everyone is recruiting players off of other school's rosters willy nilly. It's illegal and it isn't done.
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You’re suggesting Florida is doing it based off “internet rumors” that you are advancing here. Where’s your proof? Where is a cited, sourced article stating such?

It’s possible and quite likely that Mullen is just doing a really good job getting these kids in after they enter the portal. Success begets success. When transfers see Van Jefferson and Tre Grimes and Jon Greenard and Jean Delance and Adam Shuler and Marlon Dunlap transfer to Florida and become immediate impact players, It leads to others doing the same thing.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Once again, can you prove these internet rumors you are throwing out as gospel.

And fun fact, if a high ranked recruit or player who has developed big time in their career is thinking of a transfer, all coaches or staffs of other big time programs are aware of that. And it isn't cheating if these kids are reaching out to the staffs first. Any coach would be dumb and a liar to say they wouldn't take that call.
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But that is not what is being alleged with Mullen and Florida.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
But that is not what is being alleged with Mullen and Florida.
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Once again, can you prove the internet rumors?

What is being alleged is coming off the Twitterverse of them awful Gator coaches.....

Once again, can you prove them to be true? Do you have first hand knowledge?
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Once again, can you prove these internet rumors you are throwing out as gospel.

And fun fact, if a high ranked recruit or player who has developed big time in their career is thinking of a transfer, all coaches or staffs of other big time programs are aware of that. And it isn't cheating if these kids are reaching out to the staffs first. Any coach would be dumb and a liar to say they wouldn't take that call.
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Like I said, this sort of conduct will be difficult to prove. The rumors are (and they aren't hard to find) that Florida is using back channel intermediaries to initiate contact with players from other schools ... and the targets are clear: 4 and 5 star players who did show an interest in Florida during their high school recruitment, but went somewhere else and are not immediately seeing playing time.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Like I said, this sort of conduct will be difficult to prove. The rumors are (and they aren't hard to find) that Florida is using back channel intermediaries to initiate contact with players from other schools ... and the targets are clear: 4 and 5 star players who did show an interest in Florida during their high school recruitment, but went somewhere else and are not immediately seeing playing time.
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Once again, can you prove it? I'm not asking what the internet is saying. Can you, yourself, prove this is going on?

Joe Burrow wasn't recruited by LSU and wound up there. Coach O was clearly in cahoots with Burrow.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Once again, can you prove it? I'm not asking what the internet is saying. Can you, yourself, prove this is going on?.
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Take the “rumors” and “accusations” as validation that Mullen is doing one helluva job with the portal. Hoping to land former Penn State 5* WR Justin Shorter real soon.
 
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Jaws said:
Take the “rumors” and “accusations” as validation that Mullen is doing one helluva job with the portal. Hoping to land former Penn State 5* WR Justin Shorter real soon.
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Can't believe I am defending the Gators. It isn't yall, but Coach Mullen. Good guy and great family. Wish we had landed him and Grantham. Happy with Pruitt and Chaney tho
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Once again, can you prove it? I'm not asking what the internet is saying. Can you, yourself, prove this is going on?

Joe Burrow wasn't recruited by LSU and wound up there. Coach O was clearly in cahoots with Burrow.
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Where did I say a thing about LSU? I didn't. I'm talking about Florida.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Where did I say a thing about LSU? I didn't. I'm talking about Florida.
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You are implying that schools that get players via transfer that weren't initially recruited by them are in cahoots as you are claiming with Florida.

How did Burrow end up at LSU since LSU didn't recruit him out of high school? By your logic, Coach O was cheating to get Burrow
 
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JMSqb11 said:
You are implying that schools that get players via transfer that weren't initially recruited by them are in cahoots as you are claiming with Florida.

How did Burrow end up at LSU since LSU didn't recruit him out of high school? By your logic, Coach O was cheating to get Burrow
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No, I really am just talking about Florida. I haven't said a word about any other schools doing this. I suppose there could be other schools but I'm just talking about Florida.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
No, I really am just talking about Florida. I haven't said a word about any other schools doing this. I suppose there could be other schools but I'm just talking about Florida.
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But you simply implied that a school getting a player they never recruited out of high school would mean they are cheating......

Once again, CAN YOU PROVE IT?
 
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JMSqb11 said:
But you simply implied that a school getting a player they never recruited out of high school would mean they are cheating......

Once again, CAN YOU PROVE IT?
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No, I didn't. I said that a school recruiting a player currently on another school's roster, and not yet in the transfer portal, is cheating. I have said multiple times that I have no proof, but that doesn't mean that this is off base or wrong, either. This alleged conduct will be hard to prove.
 
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