Dang Hugh Freeze can coach

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I find this entire discussion fascinating. Food for thought - are any of you consistent with these positions or just holier than thou sometimes? I'm not saying Freeze should or shouldn't be a possibility, some seem to get away with this in other areas of society when it's convenient when it fits a narrative. Do you keep those same positions or look for the convenience excuse?
 
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BreatheUT said:
I find this entire discussion fascinating. Food for thought - are any of you consistent with these positions or just holier than thou sometimes? I'm not saying Freeze should or shouldn't be a possibility, some seem to get away with this in other areas of society when it's convenient when it fits a narrative. Do you keep those same positions or look for the convenience excuse?
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I think if I had issues with Freeze I would look at it from this standpoint . If you’re gonna cheat on your wife with hookers are you gonna think twice about cheating the NCAA? He got popped for both so maybe the best time to fly the Airline company is right after it crashed? I don’t know. Some people subscribe to that sort of thinking.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I think if I had issues with Freeze I would look at it from this standpoint . If you’re gonna cheat on your wife with hookers are you gonna think twice about cheating the NCAA? He got popped for both so maybe the best time to fly the Airline company is right after it crashed? I don’t know. Some people subscribe to that sort of thinking.
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I can see Freeze at Auburn. Auburn is way more of a push the envelope-type program than Tennessee is...just look at Pat Dye, Terry Bowden, the Cam situation, they hired Bruce Pearl after he'd already gotten popped here, etc. Auburn fans are totally put out with Gus and are just waiting for a string of losses bad enough to finally pull the trigger.

If they get blown out by Alabama and/or A&M to end the season I could see their booster community circling the wagons.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I think if I had issues with Freeze I would look at it from this standpoint . If you’re gonna cheat on your wife with hookers are you gonna think twice about cheating the NCAA? He got popped for both so maybe the best time to fly the Airline company is right after it crashed? I don’t know. Some people subscribe to that sort of thinking.
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I don't disagree with that.
 
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VolForLife83 said:
They thought he was creepy. He didn't rape them. Big difference
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And one shady witness said Schiano maybe saw something weird at psu and did not report it. Neither raped anybody. But did something bad allegedly decades ago, plus Freeze has done some other bad things that we know to be fact more recently.

FTR, I don't think we should hire either man. It's funny that we were horrified by Schiano but have no issues with Freeze.
 
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37620VOL said:
FTR, I don't think we should hire either man. It's funny that we were horrified by Schiano but have no issues with Freeze.
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In reality, fans were horrified by Schiano because he wasn't the home run hire they thought UT could hire. It had nothing to do with his supposed behavior at Penn State, which was merely a convenient excuse to oppose him.
 
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37620VOL said:
And one shady witness said Schiano maybe saw something weird at psu and did not report it. Neither raped anybody. But did something bad allegedly decades ago, plus Freeze has done some other bad things that we know to be fact more recently.

FTR, I don't think we should hire either man. It's funny that we were horrified by Schiano but have no issues with Freeze.
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Couple things. First, calling escorts and being hyper-attentive about dress code violations at a school is different than (allegedly) knowing about child rape. But the bigger reason we were horrified by Schiano and have no problem with Freeze is that we think Freeze is an amazing coach; we don't think that about Schiano.

Remember, this fanbase was whipped into a frenzy and many thought we were going to get Gruden, Mullen, or some other "home run hire." When the news came that it was Schiano, we all had a collective "WTF" moment.

If Gruden, or some other home run hire had the identical baggage of Schiano, this fanbase would have had no problem hiring him. After all, Schiano was connected to the whole affair via second-hand hearsay that ended up being inadmissible at the trial. Schiano likely would have been a terrible fit, and I'm glad we didn't hire him, but Tennessee fans by and large are disingenuous about the reason they opposed his hiring. He simply wasn't a big enough name to overcome the baggage.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
In reality, fans were horrified by Schiano because he wasn't the home run hire they thought UT could hire. It had nothing to do with his supposed behavior at Penn State, which was merely a convenient excuse to oppose him.
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I didn’t like it because of the penn st stuff. I think the penn st stuff was so horrific that there was no reason to hire someone whose name is attached to that taint (guilty of something or not). Who knows what future allegations could come out and UT would then be connected to it. The Freeze stuff of course isn’t great but it’s consensual man and woman stuff - more “rascally” than potentially criminal.
 
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tnktm said:
I didn’t like it because of the penn st stuff. I think the penn st stuff was so horrific that there was no reason to hire someone whose name is attached to that taint (guilty of something or not). Who knows what future allegations could come out and UT would then be connected to it. The Freeze stuff of course isn’t great but it’s consensual man and woman stuff - more “rascally” than potentially criminal.
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There is no proof Schiano saw anything other than some hearsay testimony from Mike McQueary, who was trying to throw some of the heat off to others. If you recall, McQueary did not call the police or come to the boy's rescue after witnessing the incident. Both Schiano and Tom Bradley said they never saw anything.

Do you know if the prostitutes Freeze visited were compelled to service men by a pimp? That constitutes slavery, DA, and it is not rascally but criminal.

Greg Schiano, Tom Bradley deny knowledge of Sandusky abusing boys
 
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37620VOL said:
And one shady witness said Schiano maybe saw something weird at psu and did not report it. Neither raped anybody. But did something bad allegedly decades ago, plus Freeze has done some other bad things that we know to be fact more recently.

FTR, I don't think we should hire either man. It's funny that we were horrified by Schiano but have no issues with Freeze.
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We didn't want Greg anyway. But again, these two scenarios are totally different.

Paddling a girl who chose that punishment over another and making a girl change her shirt for breaking dress code is nothing like what happened at Penn State. And if a man wants to hire a prostitute, that's his business imo.
 
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PSU and the second mile foundation was nothing more than child prostitution ring being run. Tying Schiano into that is rediculous. Their were a lot of higher ups and doners involved. Alot of those parents were also aware and involved. Whole thing was Omaha Nebraska 2.0.
 
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Only way that thing was going to be shut down was getting the FBI involved and using the media , that way the ones involved couldn't start making people disappear.
 
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Freeze just got a big contract extension through 2026, so the point becomes moot.
 
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Vol737 said:
Freeze just got a big contract extension through 2026, so the point becomes moot.
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that's wrong. According to this site, money is never a problem. It falls off trees like leaves in the fall. If a school needs more money they'll print it and buy out that huge contract......

again, according to fans on this site...
 
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Purple Tiger said:
In reality, fans were horrified by Schiano because he wasn't the home run hire they thought UT could hire. It had nothing to do with his supposed behavior at Penn State, which was merely a convenient excuse to oppose him.
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Nothing to do with? That's just silly. There are plenty of people that don't want even the possibility of being associated with child rape. The SEC has enough ammo to make fun of us from the field...they don't need a child rape scandal thrown in there. That's why, when the Vols hired someone everyone had to google...AGAIN... there was little-to-no outrage. Sure, there was plenty of "of course".. but nothing in the same atmosphere as Schiano.
 
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salutethehill said:
Nothing to do with? That's just silly. There are plenty of people that don't want even the possibility of being associated with child rape. The SEC has enough ammo to make fun of us from the field...they don't need a child rape scandal thrown in there. That's why, when the Vols hired someone everyone had to google...AGAIN... there was little-to-no outrage. Sure, there was plenty of "of course".. but nothing in the same atmosphere as Schiano.
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Again, the testimony against Schiano was hearsay and not corroborated by any other witness. The Penn State thing was an excuse not to hire Schiano, not a reason. A lot of Vol fans thought UT was hiring Gruden and threw tantrums when it didn't happen. Tampa hired Schiano and Rutgers had no problem hiring him twice.
 
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salutethehill said:
Nothing to do with? That's just silly. There are plenty of people that don't want even the possibility of being associated with child rape. The SEC has enough ammo to make fun of us from the field...they don't need a child rape scandal thrown in there. That's why, when the Vols hired someone everyone had to google...AGAIN... there was little-to-no outrage. Sure, there was plenty of "of course".. but nothing in the same atmosphere as Schiano.
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Ask yourself this question, and be honest...

If Jon Gruden, or another name deemed to be a "home run hire" by the fanbase had Schiano's identical baggage, would there have been any outrage, or the same level of outrage, as we saw with Schiano?

I'm totally OK with throwing a tantrum, but our fans should have just been honest about their reasons for doing so. Our fanbase knew that throwing a tantrum on the basis of Schiano "not being a good enough coach" wouldn't be effective, so they weaponized their tantrum by invoking the Penn St thing, which he was very indirectly connected to. And Schiano was not a big enough name or deemed to be a good enough coach to overcome the baggage.

If Gruden or a big name had Schiano's identical baggage, and somebody brought that up as a reason to not hire them, the retort from our fans would be "But it was just hearsay, and he denied it! Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? Are we really supposed to believe what one guy said?"
 
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Y'all can play hypotheticals all day. To say the outrage against him had NOTHING to do with what happened at PN St is inaccurate.
 
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Vol737 said:
Freeze just got a big contract extension through 2026, so the point becomes moot.
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No it doesn’t. It’s a thank you from Freeze to Liberty for resurrecting (no pun intended) his career, so that they’ll be the recipient of his buyout money when he leaves. They know what’s coming and so does he.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
No it doesn’t. It’s a thank you from Freeze to Liberty for resurrecting (no pun intended) his career, so that they’ll be the recipient of his buyout money when he leaves. They know what’s coming and so does he.
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Well, I think it’s moot for UT. I don’t see Fulmer playing in the buyout sweepstakes. JMO.
 
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