Dave Hart and the Lady Vols logo

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ivyleague said:
I'm sorry, are you the arbiter of all sports? What exactly is your title?

If you are going to make a monumentally stupid comment like this, you better be able to articulate your points very, very well. Otherwise, I'll just "hate" to say something about your apparent cognitive level . . .

Why, exactly, are women's sports "inferior" to men's sports, in your opinion? Do you believe women to be somehow inferior to men? By stating the former, you imply the latter. You are probably one of those idiots who thinks telling someone that they are doing something "like a girl" is an insult. Am I right? The fact is, most of those "girls" would probably be happy to kick your misogynistic ass into next year, just to show you exactly what it means to do something like a girl.



Are you under the false impression that your opinion is equivalent to a fact? If so, might I suggest either a lesson in humility or a repeat of second grade? Both might be appropriate to cure the delusions under which you seem to be laboring.

Women's sports may not bring in as much money as football, but I'd a hell of a lot rather watch a women's basketball game than either a football game or men's basketball. I don't buy tickets to football games or men's basketball games, but I attend as many Lady Vols basketball games as possible. That's where my money is spent. Your opinion doesn't trump mine, nor does your money.



Oh, the old fallacy of "I'm going to spend my entire comment bashing, demeaning, and diminishing you, but hey, I really, really like you. Friends?" *eye roll*
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Men are bigger, faster, and stronger to women. It would show if we put the lady vols against the mens basketball team. The women would get slaughtered by the men. Physically, women are less athletic than men. Women are better in other things, but not in athletics. Unfortunately, Candice Parker would ride the pine in the NBA. To think the women's can out run, out strength, or out size the men's team is downright delusional.
I'm not saying women are inferior to men in everything. That's asinine.

I'm glad you spend your money on the women's basketball team. All of the sports should have the big orange fans rooting for them. I'm sorry for sounding like a misogynistic. Hell, if I was in TN, I'd probably go to a lot of volleyball and softball games just because I like watching them.
 
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Burger said:
Men are bigger, faster, and stronger to women. It would show if we put the lady vols against the mens basketball team. The women would get slaughtered by the men. Physically, women are less athletic than men. Women are better in other things, but not in athletics. Unfortunately, Candice Parker would ride the pine in the NBA. To think the women's can out run, out strength, or out size the men's team is downright delusional.
I'm not saying women are inferior to men in everything. That's asinine.

I'm glad you spend your money on the women's basketball team. All of the sports should have the big orange fans rooting for them. I'm sorry for sounding like a misogynistic. Hell, if I was in TN, I'd probably go to a lot of volleyball and softball games just because I like watching them.
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You are attempting to compare two different things as if they are the same. I know, generally speaking, that men are physically stronger than women (there are a plethora of exceptions to that "rule," however). We aren't, however, discussing that. At least, I wasn't. You made the claim that women's sports, in general, are inferior to men's sports . . . that would encompass everything from the quality of the game itself to the degree of enjoyment one derives from viewing women's games as compared to men's games. Personally, I do not feel women's sports are inferior to men's sports at all. I PREFER to watch women's sports, women's basketball in particular. I gain more enjoyment from watching a women's basketball game than a men's basketball game. I frequently watch UT football and men's basketball games on TV, but I will likely never buy tickets to go see any of those games in person. If I'm not around when those games are showing on TV, I usually don't make a point to record them. I am not a UT graduate (as my moniker attests), but I live in the general area and have been a faithful, diehard Lady Vols basketball fan since the time I was old enough to know what basketball was.

As someone who considers myself a feminist, I can see how the term "Lady" as part of the name of a women's athletic team could be used to delineate differences between the women's team and the comparable men's team, and perhaps not in a particularly favorable way by those who initially utilized the term. It is an antiquated term in MOST regards. However, I believe the UT Lady Vols is an exception to that general rule. The Lady Vols moniker has become a brand -- a brand that is synonymous with one of the most successful athletic programs in UT's history. It doesn't represent something that is inferior, but rather, something that has become superior. It should remain.
 
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ivyleague said:
You are attempting to compare two different things as if they are the same. I know, generally speaking, that men are physically stronger than women (there are a plethora of exceptions to that "rule," however). We aren't, however, discussing that. At least, I wasn't. You made the claim that women's sports, in general, are inferior to men's sports . . . that would encompass everything from the quality of the game itself to the degree of enjoyment one derives from viewing women's games as compared to men's games. Personally, I do not feel women's sports are inferior to men's sports at all. I PREFER to watch women's sports, women's basketball in particular. I gain more enjoyment from watching a women's basketball game than a men's basketball game. I frequently watch UT football and men's basketball games on TV, but I will likely never buy tickets to go see any of those games in person. If I'm not around when those games are showing on TV, I usually don't make a point to record them. I am not a UT graduate (as my moniker attests), but I live in the general area and have been a faithful, diehard Lady Vols basketball fan since the time I was old enough to know what basketball was.

As someone who considers myself a feminist, I can see how the term "Lady" as part of the name of a women's athletic team could be used to delineate differences between the women's team and the comparable men's team, and perhaps not in a particularly favorable way by those who initially utilized the term. It is an antiquated term in MOST regards. However, I believe the UT Lady Vols is an exception to that general rule. The Lady Vols moniker has become a brand -- a brand that is synonymous with one of the most successful athletic programs in UT's history. It doesn't represent something that is inferior, but rather, something that has become superior. It should remain.
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I'll agree with the first paragraph. I am also sorry for implying that. If we believed in true equality, then the lady vols should just be called the vols. Changing that would not decrease the history the WBB and Softball programs have made. If I could, I'd probably go to every home volleyball and softball game. If I was more into basketball, I'd probably go to those games also.

I'm sorry for the aimless lady sports bashing.
 
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Burger said:
I'll agree with the first paragraph. I am also sorry for implying that. If we believed in true equality, then the lady vols should just be called the vols. Changing that would not decrease the history the WBB and Softball programs have made. If I could, I'd probably go to every home volleyball and softball game. If I was more into basketball, I'd probably go to those games also.
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I disagree. It has nothing to do with equality, which I am sure anyone with common sense supports. It has to do with a brand -- a highly successful, widely recognized brand. It has to do with tradition. It should remain a brand.
 
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Internet sports talk has gotten so silly that people are now offended by a logo and feel the need to complain it about publicly. It's just a logo. Please don't turn this forum into the Football Forum, Part 2.
 
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ivyleague said:
I disagree. It has nothing to do with equality, which I am sure anyone with common sense supports. It has to do with a brand -- a highly successful, widely recognized brand. It has to do with tradition. It should remain a brand.
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I personally don't mind the Lady Vols brand at all. Even though, I hate the blue, it probably sells tickets and recruits. I'm just explaining at this point why Dave Hart would want to make them all Vols.
 
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Burger said:
I personally don't mind the Lady Vols brand at all. Even though, I hate the blue, it probably sells tickets and recruits. I'm just explaining at this point why Dave Hart would want to make them all Vols.
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Why do you hate the blue? I find blue a rather more attractive color than orange, to be perfectly frank, but that is a digression that is irrelevant. I don't think anybody questions that they are all Vols.
 
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The men and a women both have official "secondary"colors, other than the orange and white. Men have black, and the women have the blue. Both use the alternate smokey grey color as well. Do you have a problem with the black too, or since the men wear it, its ok?

They are officially sanctioned by the university, and aren't going anywhere.
 
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Is the volleyball team called the Lady Vols? How about the soccer team? They are just Vols. All the teams should just be Vols. The logo is a legacy of a different time, when there were few women's sports and not much equality between men's and women's sports. Things are different now.
 
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armchair said:
Is the volleyball team called the Lady Vols? How about the soccer team? They are just Vols. All the teams should just be Vols. The logo is a legacy of a different time, when there were few women's sports and not much equality between men's and women's sports. Things are different now.
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No, all women's teams are designated as the Lady Vols. It's not going anywhere or changing, so there is no point in arguing about it.
 
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ivyleague said:
You are attempting to compare two different things as if they are the same. I know, generally speaking, that men are physically stronger than women (there are a plethora of exceptions to that "rule," however). We aren't, however, discussing that. At least, I wasn't. You made the claim that women's sports, in general, are inferior to men's sports . . . that would encompass everything from the quality of the game itself to the degree of enjoyment one derives from viewing women's games as compared to men's games. Personally, I do not feel women's sports are inferior to men's sports at all. I PREFER to watch women's sports, women's basketball in particular. I gain more enjoyment from watching a women's basketball game than a men's basketball game. I frequently watch UT football and men's basketball games on TV, but I will likely never buy tickets to go see any of those games in person. If I'm not around when those games are showing on TV, I usually don't make a point to record them. I am not a UT graduate (as my moniker attests), but I live in the general area and have been a faithful, diehard Lady Vols basketball fan since the time I was old enough to know what basketball was.

As someone who considers myself a feminist, I can see how the term "Lady" as part of the name of a women's athletic team could be used to delineate differences between the women's team and the comparable men's team, and perhaps not in a particularly favorable way by those who initially utilized the term. It is an antiquated term in MOST regards. However, I believe the UT Lady Vols is an exception to that general rule. The Lady Vols moniker has become a brand -- a brand that is synonymous with one of the most successful athletic programs in UT's history. It doesn't represent something that is inferior, but rather, something that has become superior. It should remain.
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You don't say ... I would have never known
 
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zaqhhh said:
Our Women's bball program is our most prestigious sports program. I sincerely doubt Hart is dumb enough to remove that kind of history.
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are you sure about Hart ? I'm not,it has all ways been the Lady Vols of Tennessee ,why change it because of Hart ? he hasn't done a lot since he has been here
,cut one coach off at the knees and backed into hiring CBJ

anyways,they have been called the Lady Vols,since one CPS has brought womens basketball to where it is at and I am fine with that
 
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mtsuraider06 said:
No, all women's teams are designated as the Lady Vols. It's not going anywhere or changing, so there is no point in arguing about it.
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It will always be the Lady Vols with the Lady Vol logo for basketball.

Some sports, like soccer and women's tennis are currently using the Power T instead. Volleyball, rowing and softball are using both.
 
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Burger said:
Before the departments merge, I bet the women's side was hemorrhaging money. The men's side probably bailed out the women a lot of times. I hate to say it, but women's sports are inferior to men's sports. Women's best sport could not beat out football. I'm for the lady vols, but they don't make much money or get as much attention. I personally wish they did, because they should be treated equal. I watch women's softball also.
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Research might say otherwise.

UT athletic department was $200 mil in the hole as of January, 2013. Pretty sure that wasn't on the Lady Vols.
 
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And why are some Lady Vol sports not Lady Vols anymore? Brian Pensky, the soccer coach, is a Dave Hart hire, but the Patricks have been around for years. Was each team allowed to vote on the issue or did someone declare that the Lady Vols logo would no longer be used for these sports?

With soccer there is no chance of confusion because there is no corresponding men's team, but not so in tennis.

I just think it is a bad decision and will result in women's sports at Tennessee being relegated to an even more inferior status. Just my opinion.

Jim
 
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CannonVol80 said:
And why are some Lady Vol sports not Lady Vols anymore? Brian Pensky, the soccer coach, is a Dave Hart hire, but the Patricks have been around for years. Was each team allowed to vote on the issue or did someone declare that the Lady Vols logo would no longer be used for these sports?

With soccer there is no chance of confusion because there is no corresponding men's team, but not so in tennis.

I just think it is a bad decision and will result in women's sports at Tennessee being relegated to an even more inferior status. Just my opinion.

Jim
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Teams and coaches were allowed to choose. Female athletes in recent years had commented to the AD that wearing the Lady Vol T made them feel like they weren't "good enough" to wear the Power T.

Obviously, it's different in basketball where there is a long legacy with the branding.
 
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bump. realse today indicates basketball only team which will continue the lady vols name and logo. Hart and Cheek at it again.
 
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It is really fascinating how many commenters have taken aim at Dave hart but none of the other coaches of the non-basketball women's sports. Did I read the article wrong? It seemed to say that all coaches were given the option to keep the LV brand and none chose to keep it except women's basketball. That speaks volumes to me.

If I were recruiting a female athlete against UT I would most certainly use it against us. It's outdated for the 21st century and it's just a matter of time before it goes in the dustbin along with other former iconic brands. It might take 10-15 years but the further removed we get from the Pat Summit era the more tenuous the logos future gets.
 
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much ado about nothing! they should be Lady Vols until the blood/gender test confirms they're not!
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Teams and coaches were allowed to choose. Female athletes in recent years had commented to the AD that wearing the Lady Vol T made them feel like they weren't "good enough" to wear the Power T.

Obviously, it's different in basketball where there is a long legacy with the branding.
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Yall need to read what DeerPark said and stop hating on Dave Hart :good!::peace2:
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Teams and coaches were allowed to choose. Female athletes in recent years had commented to the AD that wearing the Lady Vol T made them feel like they weren't "good enough" to wear the Power T.

Obviously, it's different in basketball where there is a long legacy with the branding.
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I don't believe that the females said that to the AD. If the AD is the one that put that statement out there, I definitely wouldn't believe it. The man will lie to you while looking you right in the eye even when he knows you know he is lying. I don't trust that man on little bit.
 
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Orange Maniac said:
I don't believe that the females said that to the AD. If the AD is the one that put that statement out there, I definitely wouldn't believe it. The man will lie to you while looking you right in the eye even when he knows you know he is lying. I don't trust that man on little bit.
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1) wasn't there something about the Lady Vols logo and Pat? Didn't Hart make a statement re not getting rid of it?

2) been in plenty of those meetings where the CEO proclaimed what was best (ie what he wanted) and everyone immediately agreed with him...often I had heard the exact opposite opinion from many of them just before the meeting. You don't disagree with the big dog if you want to advance. So everyone agreeing with Hart doesn't mean a whole lot to me. Very few people can accept a subordinant disagreeing with them, and Hart does not appear to me to be one that could take differing opinions very well.
 
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