Davies Suspended from BYU's Squad

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nbakerld said:
That's a good question. I think it mostly has to do with health concerns associated with alcohol. I don't really know. Life expectancy wasn't very high in those days and there was no drunk driving so I don't think alcohol was ever much of a concern to anyone.
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Thanks, I really didn't know how alcohol is perceived there. Here in the Bible Belt alcohol is the devil.
 
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nbakerld said:
That's a good question. I think it mostly has to do with health concerns associated with alcohol. I don't really know. Life expectancy wasn't very high in those days and there was no drunk driving so I don't think alcohol was ever much of a concern to anyone.
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Life expectancy was much higher than you would have thought. Infant mortality rates, death during childbirth, and warfare skew a lot of life expectancy charts from ancient Rome. However, even with the latter two factors, if one reached the age of ten (made it through early childhood), it could be assumed that the individual would make it to their fifties. If one made it to fifty, it could be assumed that person would make it to sixty-seven.

Everyone in ancient Rome drank; therefore, the health effects of alcohol were negligent for the individual in terms of life expectancy.
 
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Slydell said:
Everybody must like the Devil 'cause they sell the Hell out of it.:p
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There's whole counties that are dry in the south. Scipio is the only place in Utah that I know of that's dry, though we do have some funny restrictive laws.
 
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nbakerld said:
There's whole counties that are dry in the south. Scipio is the only place in Utah that I know of that's dry, though we do have some funny restrictive laws.
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Mine used to be til about 10 years ago. Now sell beer, and just the past couple of years restaurants are allowed to sell liquor, but it can't exceed a percentage of food sales or some crap.
 
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nbakerld said:
There's whole counties that are dry in the south. Scipio is the only place in Utah that I know of that's dry, though we do have some funny restrictive laws.
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I wouldn't know. I quit drinking very soon after moving out here. Been through Scipio many times. That's the route I take to Moab. Always stop in Salina going and coming to eat at Mom's Cafe.
 
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Slydell said:
I wouldn't know. I quit drinking very soon after moving out here. Been through Scipio many times. That's the route I take to Moab. Always stop in Salina going and coming to eat at Mom's Cafe.
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Kind of interested in your story. Tennessee, Idaho, and Utah? I lived in all 3 too (though Idaho I was real young and only spent 2 years there). Don't tell me you lived in VA, too.

And isn't it easier to get to Moab through Price?
 
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Blame BYU for Davies Fall

Another problem this incident illustrates is that the Honor Code lumps all offenses under one umbrella. Davies could be a serial cheater, or a sloppy dresser. Who knows? As of Tuesday night BYU hadn’t said what Davies did, and I’d be surprised if the school ever divulges that information. But because this sort of feels like a KGB fantasy, where all offenses are treated as mortal sins against the regime, we’re left to guess if Davies did something serious or silly.

BYU’s decision to have a broad, extra-academic set of rules may have just wounded it on the basketball court. But the fallout isn’t limited to a shamed athlete and a disappointed fan base. After all, schools make a lot more money when their teams win. How much money will BYU lose if its team suddenly plummets? How much prestige will the school sacrifice to ensure the homogeneity of its student body? And losing face and finances doesn’t just hit the school on the basketball court, it has broad negative repercussions across all fields.

Earlier this year, in the wake of a Gawker article criticizing BYU, I wrote about the school’s image issues. This is a perfect illustration of that problem and makes the point that if BYU wants to compete — in athletics, academics, and research — it has to learn to be a school, not a monastery. It needs to modernize its Honor Code to focus on the things that matter in the university world.
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Great read.
 
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It's a shame all schools can't adhere to an honor code. Can you imagine the SEC having one. There wouldn't be 5 players left on each team.
 
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While I feel badly for him, he knew what the rules were as well as the consequences. He made his bed, now he has to lie in it. I applaud BYU for sticking by their beliefs and not caving, even though I do not agree with all of them.
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VolOnTheBayou said:
While I feel badly for him, he knew what the rules were as well as the consequences. He made his bed, now he has to lie in it. I applaud BYU for sticking by their beliefs and not caving, even though I do not agree with all of them.
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Am I the only one who finds humor in the bed comment? :)
 
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nbakerld said:
Kind of interested in your story. Tennessee, Idaho, and Utah? I lived in all 3 too (though Idaho I was real young and only spent 2 years there). Don't tell me you lived in VA, too.

And isn't it easier to get to Moab through Price?
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Never lived in VA. Been through there many times. Add S. Carolina, Florida, Connecticut, Texas, So Cal, etc. Came to Utah on vacation and liked it. Moved here following my second vacation. I take different routes to Moab, but through Scipio and Salina is my favorite. Well, driving over to Green River, Wyoming and going down that way is up there, too, That's a great drive.
 
#40
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To think thier season may have been tanked just because he got him some action while other teams have guys playing that steal,rape and God only knows what else.
 
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#41
Let me get this straight. Premarital sex = wrong. Sex with multiple wives = allowed. Gotcha.
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#42
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Remember in "a few good men" when tom cruise and kevin pollak look at each other and say....."It's their code"
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#43
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It's sad that this is going to hurt the kids education and perhaps career in sports. It's also sad that this is going to affect the basketball team so negatively. But as crazy as the rules seem, he knew what they were and agreed to them. The blame lies only in himself here.
 
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Whats-the-problem-It-was-missionary.jpg
 
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VolOnTheBayou said:
While I feel badly for him, he knew what the rules were as well as the consequences. He made his bed, now he has to lie in it. I applaud BYU for sticking by their beliefs and not caving, even though I do not agree with all of them.
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I don't feel bad for him at all. I feel bad for his teammates. The rules suck, but he agreed to them.
 
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San Diego Vol said:
Let me get this straight. Premarital sex = wrong. Sex with multiple wives = allowed. Gotcha.
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Actually Mormons haven't practiced polygamy for over 100 years. I agree it is a weird standard, but it's actually congruent with what the Bible teaches if you believe in the Bible.
 
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Slydell said:
Abstain from alcoholic beverages, tobacco, tea, coffee, and substance abuse .

Conduct
All students and residents are required to conduct themselves in a manner consistent with the Honor Code. In addition, students may not influence or seek to influence others to engage in behavior inconsistent with the Honor Code.

Students must abstain from the use of
alcohol, tobacco, and illegal substances and
from the intentional misuse or abuse of any
substance. Sexual misconduct; obscene or
indecent conduct or expressions; disorderly
or disruptive conduct; participation in gambling activities; involvement with
pornographic, erotic, indecent, or offensive
material; and any other conduct or action
inconsistent with the principles of The
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
and the Honor Code is not permitted.

Violations of the Honor Code may result in actions up to and including separation from the university.
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HOLY COW!!!!! No offense to my morman friends on here but that has got to be the most boring college campus in America. Now I've never been to college but from the glory stories that I've been told about college from family and friends that has been to college is full of sex, drugs, alcohol, more sex and pure craziness!! But datgum them poor kids can't enjoy a damn thing at BYU!! Maybe they should had bent the rules a little if they want to win, JMO.

Is there any other religion in America that is that strict on their followers?
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#50
#50
This is the worst story in sports right now. What a pathetic example of a backwards regime, cloaking their financial monopoly on mormon higher education behind an archaic honor code.

The NCAA should grant this kid an immediate release and let him play anywhere he wants, and I'd be okay with him being able to play again this season. SDSU would be a great landing spot.

BYU has lost any thread of respect I may have had for it as an institution of educating young adults who are very prone to making mistakes.
 
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